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Originally posted by TinfoilTP
He let that small segment get out of hand and paint loser all over HIS canvas.
Some leader.
Where are his televised podium speaches where he takes command of his own campaign and tosses them fringers who were destroying his chances on the curb where they belonged?
I'll be waiting.
Originally posted by 27jd
Originally posted by TinfoilTP
He let that small segment get out of hand and paint loser all over HIS canvas.
Some leader.
Where are his televised podium speaches where he takes command of his own campaign and tosses them fringers who were destroying his chances on the curb where they belonged?
I'll be waiting.
So, lemme guess, you don't have the quotes from Ron Paul where he said he wanted to "legalize" heroin, and that he believed the government was behind 9/11 yet? You were defending the BBC article, so let's see those quotes.
Better get on it, cuz it seems like you went right back to trying to attach a small segment of outspoken supporters that you find obnoxious, to Ron Paul and his positions on leading the country. If you can't find me those quotes, then find me where he once told supporters to be disruptive, or defended disruptive behavior on their behalf. I asked you first, provide me those quotes, and then I'll get on looking for yours.edit on 17-8-2011 by 27jd because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by NeverForget
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But when asked, Ron Paul, despite whether supporting civil liberty doesn't agree in the separation of Church and State as the founding fathers did.
Again, the constitutional insists that church and state be separate, which Ron Paul has disagreed with when asked, and possibly because of his own religious bias.
Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies
Thomas Jefferson
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.
My country is the world, and my religion is to do good.
Thomas Paine
The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.
Benjamin Franklinedit on 17/8/2011 by NeverForget because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by TupacShakur
reply to post by TinfoilTP
He wants to end all of the wars....jeez, what a renegade politician, we don't want a daredevil like that in office! No wars? Who will we kill? What countries could we invade?
Check
He wants cut spending heavily which will help to chip away at our massive debt.
Check
He wants to legalize all drugs and leave the freedom of choice up to the individual and leave the government out of it.
Please and thank you.
He wants to back the federal reserve with gold in order to protect the money from corruption.
If this does not happen the Federal Reserve will be so corrupted in the next 10 years I would be seriously surprised if it doesn't bring America down crashing and burning.
He wants to protect individuals rights and enforce/apply the Constitution no matter what the situation.
Agreed, as the law right now is so hazy, it's hardly clear what is legal and what isn't on a general basis. I'm nervous every time I see a cop, that isn't right they are suppose to make you feel safe, not scared or nervous. That is what the laws on top of laws that were somehow passed in this country slowly but surely became unconstitutional, and then we have one person, one measly judge determining whether a certain case is constitutional or not... that my friends, is not acceptable.
He wants to limit the power of the federal government and protect the citizens.
Something that needs to happen! You can't feed power to a Government that is already bribed from every possible angle, liberty is not going to exist anymore.
Either way mostly everything that Ron Paul want's to do is not going to hurt anyone. He is simply trying to eliminate the immediate issues at hand, unfortunately I doubt he will be able to accomplish even half of what he claims, but at least he has the right idea.
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
In commanding fashion, and as everyone expected, Ron Paul won the first-ever ATS Republican Straw poll with a staggering 83.2% of the 17,783 votes (12,865 from non-members) received in 48 hours. From a purely statistical standpoint, as far as the members and visitors of ATS are concerned, no other candidate matters. But while the candidate poll results may not be a surprise for regular visitors of ATS, the follow-up questions regarding the reasons for the various choices make for some compelling comparisons and perhaps some productive contemplation... or at least we can hope.
Results below:
edit on 17-8-2011 by SkepticOverlord because: (no reason given)
Sounds to me like you are ignoring the facts of election days gone by.
Originally posted by NeverForget
reply to post by 27jd
Again, you're misunderstanding it. He doesn't believe in federal government getting involved in the arguments about banning prayer in schools, etc. As with most things, he will leave that to the states. If those states enact laws mandating prayer in schools, that may be against the Constitution and the federal government could maybe step in to stop it.
But when asked, Ron Paul, despite whether supporting civil liberty doesn't agree in the separation of Church and State as the founding fathers did.
The nation is already mostly divided into regions with different cultures, so more 'liberal' states would have more liberal laws, than say more 'conservative' states. As long as the states don't do anything constitutional, which steps on the rights of others, the federal government would stay out it.
Again, the constitutional insists that church and state be separate, which Ron Paul has disagreed with when asked, and possibly because of his own religious bias.
Don't you get the concept of civil liberty? That includes the rights of people with religious views, regardless how silly we feel it is.
Again, that is what the separation of church and state stands for. As Jefferson insisted; "a wall of separation" between church and state. And, of course, that entitles people to religious freedom, and freedom from religion.
I'm agnostic, and personally detest organized religion. But, I don't ever seek to try and push my views on others.
Agnosticism isn't a view, it isn't even a belief, you've got nothing to "push". Agnosticism means (without knowledge) - I'm agnostic too, and therefore atheistic towards man made religions, because they "don't know" either, thus I don't believe their claims.
Doesn't bother me if they pray, as long as they don't try to force me to. If we're gonna get along as a society, we need to either kill everybody who doesn't agree with us, or respect each other, and our personal freedoms.
Of course. And Ron Paul disagrees with the notion that Separation of Church from State; a clause that allows for religious freedom, stops theocracies (like Iran), prevents the state from favouring a religion, but most importantly allows for freedom FROM religion.
"The notion of a rigid separation between church and state has no basis in either the text of the Constitution or the writings of our Founding Fathers. On the contrary, our Founders’ political views were strongly informed by their religious beliefs.
Really Ron Paul? Really? Just how well do you know the constitution and the founding fathers?
Question with boldness even the existence of God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."
Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies
Thomas Jefferson
I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish Church, by the Roman Church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish Church, by the Protestant Church, nor by any church that I know of. My own mind is my own church.
My country is the world, and my religion is to do good.
Thomas Paine
The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason.
Benjamin Franklinedit on 17/8/2011 by NeverForget because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
Not that this matters, but on the front page annoucement, he looks either like Wolverine's father in the photo, or Elmer Fudd in the corresponding artistic characature of Ron Paul. Either way, makes him more, not less electable, imo.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by NightGypsy
I sure like the idea of a Ron Paul Presidency cutting the military budget in HALF while ending all wars and overextending expenses.
His run for Presidency ought to be cast in the frame of a quiet REVOLUTION, because it's nothing less than that, and you pick up the whole spectrum of the Republican opposition to Obama in the process, the whole thing, because the people are prepared to throw Obama out, they're just not happy with his efforts for some reason or no reason at all.
Ron Paul - he's light a forefather of the USA in the flesh, literally, or the only remaining remnant of those ideals.
Originally posted by NeverForget
But when asked, Ron Paul, despite whether supporting civil liberty doesn't agree in the separation of Church and State as the founding fathers did.
In 2005, Paul introduced the We the People Act, which would have removed "any claim involving the laws, regulations, or policies of any State or unit of local government relating to the free exercise or establishment of religion" from the jurisdiction of federal courts.[143] If made law, this provision would purportedly permit state, county, and local governments to decide whether to allow displays of religious text and imagery and whether to ban atheists from public office, but would not interfere with the application of relevant federal law.
Paul has sponsored a constitutional amendment which would allow students to pray privately in public schools, but would not allow anyone to be forced to pray against their will or allow the state to compose any type of prayer or officially sanction any prayer to be said in schools.
en.wikipedia.org...
Te I think the MSM and all of those idiot bimbo newscasters that they have on there are nothing more than just eye candy for men......illusions of empowerment for women, who have an opinion for everyone, no one cares and men don't even hear what they say anyway because they are too busy underessing them with their eyes. Overall, these bimbo newcasters on CNN are nothing more than just air-headed, brainwashed mannequins slinging opinions when they should really just deliver the news in the world and then shut their mouths because no one cares what their personal opinions are. xt
Lol this is ridiculous, find me where he won the presidency hahaha. It doesn't matter if he said them, his silence was taken as acceptance.
"Find me where he won the presidency?"