Okay so I have been thinking of trying the E Cigarette

And now you may be asking why I am posting this here. Well there is a conspiracy guys, according to many articles the FDA does not approve of the E Cigarette and NEW YORK is trying to ban them (obviously because they are not made by pharmeceutical companies). This is stinking to high heaven. All the articles state is Big Pharm whining about how it isn't safer then cigarettes and people "Should go to their doctor and try an FDA approved Cessation program."

HA! Nicotine patches can kill you, the gum will make your mouth cancer ridden (like chewing tobacco), and the drugs they use for cessation like Zyban are Heavy PSYCHOTROPICS!!!!

WTH is wrong with this damn country that companies have more say in what we can even use to quit smoking even though I could cite thousands of studies that show their way is more harmful than tobacco products. They are just pissy because the money will not be going to them, BIG PHARM. Big Pharm, and the Government has gone too far this time, IMO!!!!
Zyban side effects:

•Insomnia -- in up to 40 percent of people (see Zyban and Insomnia)
•An irritated or runny nose -- up to 12 percent
•Dry mouth -- up to 11 percent (see Zyban and Dry Mouth)
•Dizziness -- up to 10 percent
•Nausea -- up to 9 percent
•Trouble concentrating -- up to 9 percent
•Constipation -- up to 8 percent
•Joint pain -- up to 5 percent
•Unusual dreams -- up to 5 percent
•Muscle pain -- up to 4 percent
•Diarrhea -- up to 4 percent
•Nervousness -- up to 4 percent.

Zyban side effects
Nicotine patch side effects:

Mild itching, redness, burning, and stinging at the application site may occur. Stop using this product and tell your doctor if redness caused by the patch does not go away after 4 days. Nausea, dizziness, flushing, or headache may also occur.

side affect of nicotine patch
nicotine gum side affects:

Mouth/teeth/jaw problems, headache, heartburn, sweating, or diarrhea may occur. If any of these side effects persist or worsen, stop using this medication and tell your doctor or pharmacist promptly.

www.medicinenet.com...

Yeah Think I'll take my chances with the e cigarette. And here is the article that spurned my rant

Electronic cigarettes are handheld nicotine-delivery devices that, despite a devoted following, are currently swirling in controversy.

New York is pushing to become the first state to ban the devices, which so far remain unregulated and mostly unstudied. With cutesy colors, fruity flavors, clever designs and other options, e-cigarettes may hold too much appeal for young people, critics warn, offering an easy gateway to nicotine addiction.

Despite the fact the FDA hasn't done ANY Studies AT ALL on them and though they don't plan on it either:

"E-cigarettes are often sold as safe, which is probably not true," Talbot added. "They may not be as dangerous as real cigarettes, but on the other hand, they could be. We just don't know."

Can you spell conspiracy???

reply to post by ldyserenity


I quit smoking cigarettes instantly around 6 years ago. I just had enough I guess.That zyban crap messes people up. I know a girl who was taking drugs to quit smoking and she committed suicide. She was fine earlier that night just before bed, but they found her dead in the morning.

I don't know much about the e cigs, but if they are better for you than the regular ones I recommend trying them out. I personally say just quit, such a disgusting habit.

I used the e cig to come off of real cigs and it worked!! Loved the different flavors! My husband uses it too and has every flavor you can imagine! Are they bad for you? Probably, but at least it doesnt stink and you can wean off the nicotine while still giving your hand to mouth dependency a fix. Over time you use less and less......I give it a

Now, I may toke off it once a week when I have a drink........

I am an e-cig user and I have been watching things develop in the US with interest.. where it seems you lead, we follow *shakes head* tho on this one the UK is going to the e-cig industry and health guys for ideas on how to deal with the issues.

And as a user I can say there are issues with having bottles of nicotine around (little hands and little fingers get everywhere) and the things can and do leak.. So improving quality control would be great.. as do little advances like the new "tank" e-cigs that do not require you to fill up wadding (that leaks) are the kinds of moves I want to see to make the product (and experience) that much better.

Personally they have worked for me (I smoked a loooong time) but I have not smoked in a year, while non of the other aids worked.. the e-cigs have and I have not craved a real cigarette in that time.

My shame faced admission is that I stole and had my first cigarette at 5 but it took a few more years for me to really start getting hooked (about 12) and yet with e-cigs it was incredibly easy to give up. they have been a real saver for me.. and tho I would certainly go to bat to defend them... I would like to see the product improve.

Every thing feels off topic today, so I am sorry if this was too.

Originally posted by Starwise
I used the e cig to come off of real cigs and it worked!! Loved the different flavors! My husband uses it too and has every flavor you can imagine! Are they bad for you? Probably, but at least it doesnt stink and you can wean off the nicotine while still giving your hand to mouth dependency a fix. Over time you use less and less......I give it a

Now, I may toke off it once a week when I have a drink........

Were there any side effects that you can report?
I mean the cigarettes we buy they add like upteen million cancer causing compounds (yes they add them) something that e cigarettes do not add. Then there are just the several bad compounds caused by burning the cigarette that is not also present in the e cigarette. I really think that the BIG PHARM companies are just pissed they are behind and didn't prep for the market and study the e cig themselves and now they're pissing and moaning all the way to the FDA to get them banned because it's cutting into their profits.

I quit one week ago yesterday - cold turkey. I reached a point in my life when I decided there is no good reason to smoke so I just stopped. I still have cravings but as long as I remind myself the benefits of quitting and preoccupy myself for a few minutes then it's no problem. I'm sure quit smoking aids of all varieties have helped many people. I have tried the patch previously with some success but I think when you are truly ready to quit - you won't need anything. When I asked a friend of mine many years ago how he quit smoking he simply replied 'You just do!'. If you don't want to smoke anymore then don't. It may no be the easiest thing to do but certainly possible.

I used the ecig to quit analog cigs as well. Al digital now

I hear what you are saying about this conspiracy. I noticed it too, the USA is so bass ackward that they would actually decide that they would rather take a product off the market that works and force people to use products that don't work.

The fact that they are even discussing it shows how corrupt the USA government is and how corporations really run the show.

I have tried the gum, patches, everything out there. One day with a crappy ecig (I have a much better one now that I actually prefer to analogs) and I quit analogs without as much as a mild nic fit.

There was no problems at all, just replaced one very nasty, unhealthy habit, for a sweet smelling, germ killing (www.vaportalk.com...) nerve calming habit.

And here is a government deciding if they should take that away from me for my own good. what a load of crap, and yes, a genuine conspiracy. S&F OP, good show!

ETA: They are not even bad for you, as far as I know. PG and VG are both deemed healthy (if you trust the FDA, I don't, hence the "as far as I know") and nicotine is no more dangerous than caffeine. Nicotine is not a carcinogen on its own.

My recommendation, don't buy the old style cartridge system, go for a drip tip model or a tank system. Also, if you are on the computer alot, get a usb pass-through to always be charged up and i would also suggest a manual battery with a button to press over the air pull activated ones. Get a big battery, the less it looks like a real cig, the better it works.

reply to post by thoughtsfull


You are perfectly on topic, thanks for your input. I did not know about the leaking issues. Thankfully my children are past the hands on everything stage as they are teens and preteens. I'd like the FDA to actually give a benefit of a doubt and do some testing but they probably won't because the Pharm. companies have them like puppets on string! It's deplorable!

I toyed with the e-cigg but it just seems like a pain in the butt. When I quit last time (stuck for over a year until some life issues and stress made me slip) I used a nicotine inhaler.

Now here's the thing. It looks like a tampon. You actually look like you are "smoking" a tampon.

But if you can get past it.....

you have these little single use nicotine capsules that you put inside the tampon, er, tube. once you twist it closed, it pierces the nicotine pack and you can puff away. You get pure vapor, no smoke, so you can literally smoke it anywhere.

I found I could make 1 insert last 3 smoke breaks at work, which is pretty good. But you have to get used to inhaling vapor not smoke, which feels different and you can over do it fast.

the other problem with it, and any nicotine product, is smoking kinda forces you to even out your doses. These devices don't, you could literally OD on nicotine and it's too late before you even feel sick.

Kids. Do not start smoking. It may seem cool and your friends might be doing it. Let me wise you up.

You will feel like crap most of the time, even if you are in shape.
Eventually, you will have issues doing anything that requires physical movement as you'll be hyperventilating.
Your teeth turn yellow, even with whitening paste, and eventually your gums start to decay and you will probably lose some teeth.

Girls?

Your face will turn to leather. Not that sexy too much tanning look, I mean you will be 25 and look 40, I swear.

And coming from Canada, you'll be ashamed at how much you spent on smokes. I'm literally at the hundreds of thousands of dollars point in my life, if my math is correct. The darn things are over 10% a pack now.

Try water vapor cigarettes they work amazing and produce the same type of smoke effect yet different.

very cool and safe

www.watervaporcigarettes.com...

I'd recommend giving it a shot. It took me a couple different brands to find one that I liked but it did work well as a replacement for the cancer sticks. I'm sure the FDA would love to ban the things because they aren't getting their paws on some cash from the creators to make sure that they're "safe" for the rest of us. As for the smoking cessation drugs, I'd avoid them. I've heard way too many horror stories associated with taking them. Good Luck!

I applaud everyone's sharing of their tips and tactics for quitting so I want to share my own as well.

When I had committed to quitting, the biggest help to me was to identify the patterns in which I smoked.
I would go outside for a cig at almost exactly the same time each workday and follow a similar pattern on the weekends (not working) but at different time.
Once I recognized those patterns, I altered them. My 10am smoke got pushed to 11. My 3pm to 4. I then kept pushing them further and further apart until I got to the point of not needing to go outside for a smoke prior to noon etc.

When I reached the point of smoking less than 10 a day, I got a mild cessation (patches) aid which I used for about 5 days. After that I went cold turkey.

Good luck to all!

Originally posted by kro32
Try water vapor cigarettes they work amazing and produce the same type of smoke effect yet different.

very cool and safe

www.watervaporcigarettes.com...

They are what we are discussing here, right under your vid it says right next to water vapor (electronic cigarette).
The state of New york is trying to ban them and The FDA will not test and approve/ disapprove of them, they are citing the fact that they are not FDA approved to take them off the market and I think they should at least do some testing and even though big pharm will probably have the last say and have them Nationwide banned, at the very least it will at least look that they did something instead of just saying "yeah they're bad end of story". I am so sick of this assinine country!

I used e-cigs for some time, i actually enjoyed it...very cool flavors etc...

But there is a BIG problem:

All those parts (vaporizers etc.) are imported from China, very bad quality. My vaporizers always burnt out/broke...it got more and more difficult to get a good "hit" of steam because the things degraded really fast in vapor performance. Pretty annoying.

I know 2 people using ecigs, and no problems, no going back, and if I'm correct, 1 is even close to giving up altogether.

Or you could just grow a pair and quit cold turkey, like I did almost a year ago. Effectively making the fda's and big pharma's whining irrelevant.

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by thoughtsfull

 

You are perfectly on topic, thanks for your input. I did not know about the leaking issues. Thankfully my children are past the hands on everything stage as they are teens and preteens. I'd like the FDA to actually give a benefit of a doubt and do some testing but they probably won't because the Pharm. companies have them like puppets on string! It's deplorable!

Most e-cigs (and I have tried a few) use wadding (like a zippo) to contain the liquid, which is mostly fine but it can and does leak (small chance of being an issue for little ones) but the new one have a tank system that eliminates the leaks (as minimal as they are) if the Gov is going to poke it's nose in these are the improvements I really want to see not some asinine ban.

But then again, as an e-cig user, what has struck me most is the cost of the nicotine compared to the cost of patches which really show up how much big pharma is profiteering from the cessation aids they sell..

Originally posted by flexy123
I used e-cigs for some time, i actually enjoyed it...very cool flavors etc...

But there is a BIG problem:

All those parts (vaporizers etc.) are imported from China, very bad quality. My vaporizers always burnt out/broke...it got more and more difficult to get a good "hit" of steam because the things degraded really fast in vapor performance. Pretty annoying.

I was researching online and there is at least oen group selling made in the USA. So no china parts (at least that is what they say) of course they're twice the price as the others I searched. I will probably pay the extra cost to get the Made in The USA ones. Now that you have brought that to my attention.

I smoked cigs for many MANY years. I tried every avenue to quit - with the exception of the RX. I tried the patch, hypnosis, cold turkey, weaning down, blah, blah, blah.

I tried the e-cig back in December of last year. I had a friend who was moving to a new house and I offered to help with the move. It was a non-smoking house. It was bitter cold out. I decided what better time to purchase the e-cig and give it a try.

The move took about 12 hours of unpacking. During that time I was using the e-cig the entire day. When I got in my car to leave, I naturally pulled out a real one. I lit that cig, took a drag, realized how nasty it tasted, and threw it out the window along with the pack I had. I have never touched another cigarette since.

I love the e-cig. The different flavors are great. You can wean yourself down in nicotine levels. I no longer am addicted to nicotine, but I sure still like vaping

I have been hearing of the bans of the e-cig all over the place. Of course they want to ban it. There is no revenue for them in the e-cig industry. And it doesn't cause cancer - more profit loss.

Originally posted by ldyserenity

Originally posted by Starwise
I used the e cig to come off of real cigs and it worked!! Loved the different flavors! My husband uses it too and has every flavor you can imagine! Are they bad for you? Probably, but at least it doesnt stink and you can wean off the nicotine while still giving your hand to mouth dependency a fix. Over time you use less and less......I give it a

Now, I may toke off it once a week when I have a drink........

Were there any side effects that you can report?
I mean the cigarettes we buy they add like upteen million cancer causing compounds (yes they add them) something that e cigarettes do not add. Then there are just the several bad compounds caused by burning the cigarette that is not also present in the e cigarette. I really think that the BIG PHARM companies are just pissed they are behind and didn't prep for the market and study the e cig themselves and now they're pissing and moaning all the way to the FDA to get them banned because it's cutting into their profits.

edit on 16-8-2011 by ldyserenity because: spelling

I dont recall any side effects......When my body needed nicotine I would get a craving, but thats all I remember, it was the same as with a real cig....I did notice though that after a few days my lung expansion was much better and I could smell again.

With the nicotine patches, I had bizarre dreams and woke up a lot at night, but those worked too..... The start up cost was more, but the savings after 2 months was noticeable! The mg start at 24, 21, 16, and less and less....

Its nice because I can now drink my morning coffee and not need anything I can breath and smell