I am tired of people posting "Aliens do not exist" threads. We HAVE contact.

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I would have no problem giving a blood sample, or tissue sample to any beings wishing to know if i was more than a figment on their imagination. It wouldn't bother me in the least bit, no truly sane or intelligent being would even care to provide the proof.

Somebody should make a new cookbook.

The proper way to cook alienz....lol.

We have some pretty wicked technology now to trick the world into believing in Alienz. Git on it Obama!

Create an Alien Czar.

Originally posted by flexy123
This is why Ufology fails and science laughs about it.

It's not that mainstream science is immune to this kind of thing. I saw an episode of NOVA a while back about the guy who was making all kinds of advances in nanotechnology to the point where a lot of people thought nanotechnology was going to be the savior of mankind, etc. And he turned out to be a complete fake who completely manufactured data, lied, covered up, and so on.

Just the other day I read some scientist who was very concerned about the ease at which other scientists can falsify data and cruise on unverified statements without having peer review, because the peer review process is a lot slower than the research process.

Science doesn't laugh at ufology, it ignores it, because it has nothing to test and review. Ufology has built-in limits that make it very difficult to conduct good science, including the need for secrecy by our air forces. Was it an Air Force test? They won't say. End of the road.

The only good way to study UFOs at the moment is as a social science. Amassing data, sifting through it for patterns, and doing the occasional case study. It doesn't reveal what UFOs are, except as they relate to people. It's not much. No aliens, except hypothetical. Oh, well.

Originally posted by karen61057
Stop with this nonsense. There are no demons. They are aliens. Good and bad just like humans.

Stop with this nonsense. There are no demons. There are no aliens. They are only manifestations, neither good nor bad, from a different place and time.

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This Earth is my proof.

The number of creatures dwelling on this Earth with intelligence levels that allow tool use and creativity includes Corvids, Apes, Elephants, Dolphins, Whales, octopus, cuttlefish, perhaps dogs and cats, and of curse man. Of these groups, each has a dozen or more species belonging to it, except man. Each has existed for millions of years in equilibrium with nature, except man. Each has proven themselves versatile and adaptable, including man.


IE, compared to the hundreds of millions of species that have existed on Earth, and the hundreds more millions of computable scenarios that produce said intelligence, we make up just one lineage. Now, releasing ourselves from the confines of Earth's evolutionary guidelines, we get millions upon billions more computable pathways.

The probability of finding a humanoid life form is incredibly low when statistically observed.

Furthermore, while some will say "who build the cities", that's not a legitimate reason. That's homocentric. We assume that we need art, culture, cities, or any of that to get as far as we have because it's the only thing we know.


Ergo, in total, it is very very very unlikely aliens are humanoid. And the fact that all our aliens in so-called witness accounts.look humanoid, when compared to the fact that all the gods we ever made up in our history, too, look humanoid, leave one with no other reasonable logical assertion than most, if not all, of these witnesses, are false, lies, or just plain half truths.

I've no doubt aliens exist and no doubt they've sent probes to this Earth. But the notion that because we look like we do means everything else must look like we do is both unscientific, assumptive, and just does not stick up to reality.

Originally posted by jdub297
Anyone able to consider or apply Drake's equation knows that intelligent life permeates the universe, if not the galaxy.

Wrong. Drake's Equation is useless and pointless, with variables that can never be determined with accuracy, and if any of the dozen or so variables in his equation equals zero, then the whole equation equals zero. As someone with an interest in this stuff as long as you say you have, I would have thought you would have gotten farther along than this.

This is almost sad.

You got that right.

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To your headline .... no we don't.

Show me anything credible ... there is nothing other than dubious maybe fakes video ... eyewitness acounts from fringe persons, who from the rest of their talk might actually need trreatment ... nothing firm nothing repeatable ... just hearsay .... and the world is full of that .... so NO!

Originally posted by cwilson
And again, I ask, what constitutes as "proof" to those who say they don't believe in intelligent extraterrestrial life?

Easy. The same kind of stuff that would prove anything exists. How do you know the Hoover Dam exists? Although for Alien UFOs, the proof would have to be a little better, since we pretty much all agree that dams exist.

Just give me:

1. Photos/images: Sure a single photo can't prove anything. That's why I'd like a lot of photos, the more the better, all from people who are NOT anonymous, showing the same thing at the same time. I've never seen the Hoover Dam, but I've seen a lot of photos from a lot of different people.

2. Physical Evidence: It has to follow a chain of evidence from the photos above. They need to be linked and associated. Could be anything. For a UFO, a bit of metal, or an living alien, will do. Somebody could take a photo of chipping a bit of rock off the Hoover Dam, marking it distinctly, and sending it to me. Why not an Alien UFO?

3. Independent Expert Confirmation: I'd like to take that physical evidence and take it to several independent labs with no dog in the fight, and have the experts there all tell me it's alien. Not of this Earth. And it would be nice to have them explain how they got to that conclusion. Then I'd send it to more labs. If the vast majority of labs say it's alien, then I can pretty much accept that it's alien. A sample of the Hoover Dam concrete could be done the same way.

4. Authoritative Acknowledgement: Going past the Hoover Dam, because aliens would be such an important thing, I'd like to have the President, all the Prime Ministers, the Pope, and whoever else in some high level of authority confirm it's alien. Pretty hard to doubt after that, particularly with people from widely divergent or directly opposing opinions on the subject agreeing about it.

5. Contact: If I wanted to, and was given the chance, I would like to be able to physically touch it, myself. Touch it, look at it, taste it, whatever. Unless is was super radioactive, I'd like that satisfaction. I can do that with the Hoover Dam, if I want. Why not an alien artifact? Why not? Of course, that would be the icing on the cake.

So what we have here with Alien UFOs is something that is quite a bit harder to prove exists than the Hoover Dam, since we only rarely, and not definitively, get past #1 on the list, here.

Of course, dreams exist, and we can't even get #1 on the list with those. All we have is anecdotal evidence. But because the majority of us have dreams, we agree they exist. That's not good enough for UFOs, though. Unless you want to say that UFOs are nothing but dreams. You probably wouldn't agree with that.

Originally posted by pilot70
reply to post by kauskau

 

... eyewitness acounts from fringe persons, who from the rest of their talk might actually need trreatment ...

wow, quite the ignorant statement from someone who obviously has no clue about where most of the sightings and reports are coming from. Look it up, I did my own research before diving in, you might want to try that also.....

edit: not saying there aren't kooks, charlatans and nut jobs also......

Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by kauskau

 

You need to either re-think what it takes to convince you something is "real," or gain a little more real-life experience and research outside of YouTube.

This is almost sad.

jw

hmm. I did not say that i believe in it because it is channeled. I did not give one argument here why i believe in it. i just said: read it and make up your own mind.

I already made thread about bashar and why i think he is real but i will quote myself to make clear some thoughts about my way of perceiving it.

(www.abovetopsecret.com...)
I will try to make it short

"My intellectual skills are really limited in another language.(understanding is perfect but explaining is hard) .i am not a "language guy"..
i have more a logical way of approaching things and need my "formulas". But let me show u in which moment i knew that he is real.


IN THIS VIDEO:

www.youtube.com...

starting at minute 6.20
(question: do u have "astrology" in ur solar system). -> Listen to his answer.
U have to know i already heard 3 hours of him and my skeptical brain (yes i was skeptic ) still fought when i first heard him but there it became clear that ...this spontaneous answer..can not be made by a human being..this preciseness and integrative way of handling a concept..is only easy for people that already know the topic.Bashar does this all the time.. and i listened to over 50 hours of material....no matter which topic...no matter how unprepared he is. .Listen how he flows.. Its unbelievable. But i can understand that people can not sense that this is not just intelligent....they think: yeah smart people can do that..
.i have a really high iq (even if i can not demonstrate that in this language here really good and please ..spare me a polemic reaction to that) and i have a good empathy to understand how people conceptualize things -> what bashar does is more than being intelligent. Its more than knowing some things... Its the highest form of communicative Preciseness in a easy and relaxed way i ever saw..and i saw a lot. How could i proof this to u that what he does is not human. I can not even understand why u can not perceive that.


watch min/sec 04.26 (what is a photon)..its a video from the 80s i think,....
www.youtube.com...

Bashar answers a question about photons -> again. Believe me....ask a respected scientist the same question and watch how they will answer to that ....the answer will be full of memorized fractions and u will see the process of having to "remember". U can not see that in bashars answer. Again: a human CAN NOT DO THAT without "breaking" (dont know how to say that in english...) as bashar...all the time..no matter which topic. Actor? jeahhh sure... Acting and thinking at the same time and being precise...i dont think so.

He would be so intelligent that it would be far to stupid to make money with a lie...he could become everything.

And still: dont judge just from this material: when u see him in interviews and when u trust your intuition and ARE NOT PARANOID..you will KNOW that darryl anka (who is a resected special effects artist in hollywood..worked for movies like "i robot" etc ) is a good good guy...a really good soul.

but i can talk what i want. I will only reach a few here but believe me. a few is enough. I dont make that for fun here or the show how right i am.

I know that there is a threshold . and the isolation stops when the threshold is breached. And i dont think it will take a long time until this is done..it just need a few believing in waht people like nisargadatta or bashar say... this will change this world for ever. and i am glad about that. Its great time we live in.
Thanks for your time.

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So in lieu of real evidence, physical evidence, you take "channeling" as evidence? That's not thinking critically at all...

Originally posted by pilot70
reply to post by kauskau

 

To your headline .... no we don't.

Show me anything credible ... there is nothing other than dubious maybe fakes video ... eyewitness acounts from fringe persons, who from the rest of their talk might actually need trreatment ... nothing firm nothing repeatable ... just hearsay .... and the world is full of that .... so NO!

sad world u live in..as i said above: i can not understand in any way why u dont perceive that bashar in his channeling is not Human. This for me is more strange than everything u seem to perceive. But the sad is more: the way u perceive the world is common sense.

I said what i wanted to say.

For people who are interested in the spiritual side of finding truth i made one more thread ..www.abovetopsecret.com...
and believe me: i dont do that to convince people who dont want to be convinced or "know already everything they want to know" . I just know :there are some people who are like me. And i was thankful to the person that gave me the opportunities and sources i gave here.
And here i give that back to the people who are open for that as i was.

No need for frustration here.

( but in a way i really can understand you. There are many things where i become really aggressive. One of those things is Niburu Videos of people filming "a second sun"..i really ...REALLY have the same feelings about those guys and want to shake them as some of you have about me lol)

Mankind through the course of time has degenerated in DNA,morality,health,and most of all Spiritually.
Some of us Anunnaki never left or abandoned humankind....How can a good parent leave their offspring?
We've been here watching along side of you as garbagemen,politicians,followers and leaders alike.

We've done this in a "Blend-in" sort of way to live and see mans/womans woes that we can elevate and make it better for mankind/our family.
We got caught into the reincarnational cycles due to the true "Fallen Ones". Lust was the downfall.Greed,sloth,averace,etc... They envi and covet that which is not rightfully earned.They are of dark light.
You call it the devil....It is but one being into many parts which men and womens evildoings feed and give more energy to...Each thought,act and deed feeds this Idd.
It tries to mimick the Anunnaki and other races as well.It has usurped and caused the ruination of several planets and stars... Armagghedon is already in progress. Light will overcome dark.
There are many here that should be at the higher realms,but the devil in desparation has tried to trick and barr...

Keep faith in light and love
yours always Goddess Inanna/Ishtar*---lol! wish that asterisk was 8pointed.

Originally posted by adeclerk
reply to post by kauskau

 

So in lieu of real evidence, physical evidence, you take "channeling" as evidence? That's not thinking critically at all...

in the post above yours..i already said what is proof for me in the channelings. One of many..
There seems to be a filter. I can not convince anybody. And i really lost the motivation for that. I as everybody just can remind people of what they already believed in unconsciously .

Dont forget: the reason why something is proof for me is not dependent on one thing..its my whole life that pushed me that way.
I dont have the energy to tell the whole story. Let me just say : before i met bashar and others...i had my own experiences with channeling ..with mediums etc. It took me a long way to become that new age noob i am now lol..when i started i would have never ..never thaught that i would return to the "Et topic"..never.
Really: i was the kind of nihilist that only read U.G Krishnamurti and stuff.
I started with near death experiences ..went to enlightenment in the most nihilistic "not-new-age" form ...and ended with ET . Its strange. but it makes sense for me.

What u think is physical proof and critical thinking for me is nothing more than ignorance. How could i explain to you that the energy of bashar is proof enough. U think i am a jerk for saying that and i think u just can not perceive the whole spectrum.
How could we discuss about that. The energy of bashar is PHYSICAL evidence. Am i not critical enough if i have standards in "measuring proof" which do not accord with yours?

The biggest wonder of all is: life really made it possible to act out your free will side by side with people who perceive a total different world than you. If i could give you the evidence you need to really perceive what i perceive (that bashar is an ET Source) -> would you be free?

But i tell you: there comes the time where this ends. This is the time when the threshold is reached. And of course than physical proof will also be presented to you but until than i just hope here are a lot of people who are open for people like bashar and give it a chance.

Originally posted by kauskau

But i tell you: there comes the time where this ends. This is the time when the threshold is reached. And of course than physical proof will also be presented to you but until than i just hope here are a lot of people who are open for people like bashar and give it a chance.

Oh no, the aliens are coming! The way I see it, you people are no different from the guy with the "GOD IS PISSED!" sign yelling errant nonsense on the corner.

Both have about as much evidence.

Yeah everybody needs proof.4.5 billion years earth has been here and its never been discovered, yet within the past 10 years or so with our primative technology we have found 50 planets that are similar to earth and could possibly support life.Of course we have never been visited

Originally posted by ParanoidSmurf
Yeah everybody needs proof.4.5 billion years earth has been here and its never been discovered, yet within the past 10 years or so with our primative technology we have found 50 planets that are similar to earth and could possibly support life.Of course we have never been visited

Wow, makes sense! Now could you qualify why there is no physical evidence of any visitation, in 4.5 billion years? Seems like a long time for evidence to accumulate.

I eagerly await your reply.

Originally posted by adeclerk

Originally posted by ParanoidSmurf
Yeah everybody needs proof.4.5 billion years earth has been here and its never been discovered, yet within the past 10 years or so with our primative technology we have found 50 planets that are similar to earth and could possibly support life.Of course we have never been visited

Wow, makes sense! Now could you qualify why there is no physical evidence of any visitation, in 4.5 billion years? Seems like a long time for evidence to accumulate.

I eagerly await your reply.

oh wow..u experienced 4,5 billion years in all bodies ?
Talking about ignorance

Originally posted by kauskau

Originally posted by jdub297
reply to post by kauskau

 

You need to either re-think what it takes to convince you something is "real," or gain a little more real-life experience and research outside of YouTube.

This is almost sad.

jw

hmm. I did not say that i believe in it because it is channeled. I did not give one argument here why i believe in it. i just said: read it and make up your own mind.

Those channeled messages are indeed intelligent and make sense in many ways (me admitting that is actually something extraordinary, just as a side-note).

But this doesn't mean a thing, let alone is proof of alien existence. Many smart/educated persons can communicate that way...do me favor and watch any new-age show or movie and see how some "teachers" in that area are able to give really good, meaningful insight...including quantum physics, meta physics, religion, spiritualism etc.
If i hear a guy giving a really good speech about applying quantum physics to our reality and come up with a really exciting and interesting theory about our reality - this does not indicate the person is an alien..and it does not *need* to be channeled, yes some people are THAT smart..you should know that.

As a side-note..there is WAY to much sold on this site..he is basically charging for each and every single download of his channelings at a rather premium price..uhm..what does that tell you?

Originally posted by Blue Shift

Originally posted by jdub297
Anyone able to consider or apply Drake's equation knows that intelligent life permeates the universe, if not the galaxy.

Wrong. Drake's Equation is useless and pointless, with variables that can never be determined with accuracy, and if any of the dozen or so variables in his equation equals zero, then the whole equation equals zero. As someone with an interest in this stuff as long as you say you have, I would have thought you would have gotten farther along than this.
.

You completely misunderstiid my plain English statement.
I did not vouch for any of it, I simply said if you know what it is based upon, and how to make the equations, you can see, statistically, the likelihood of extraterrestrial intellignece.

Are you one of a misinformed minority who believes intelligent life is unique to the last 100,000 years on Earth?

deny ignorance

jw