Police officer shot dead after pointing stun gun at man's dogs as he attended domestic dispute

reply to post by ShadowAngel85


If more of them didn't think the same of anyone that looks different than them or a person over the age 35 more of the young citizens might care about police officers getting gunned down. I'm 26 now, and didn't have a positive experience with a police officer until age 24ish. Nevermind that I've never done a drug in my life and don't drink, never been involved with any violence, I've never even stolen a candybar, I was a profile because I dressed differently.

When they can act right I'll consider them as equals. Until then, they're pigs.

FIRST OF ALL why that police was on his property? why he had to point a teaser to his dogs if the dogs were on his property? I'm sorry to say this but when you abuse of power things like this will happen.

After reading 2 pages of bickerinig (haven't read past that) I've noticed no one has written about the fact that the officers did not show a warrant. Last time I checked, here in the USA you need a warrant to enter a person's home or property within the law. If these officers entered this man's home without a warrant all the while being aggressive, then it was his right to defend himself and his dogs.

If this was an incident outside where the police officers tried and pull a tazer on his aggressive dogs that's one thing, entering a man's home (or being on his property without permission) and threatening to shock his dogs while they were protecting him are two different things.

Originally posted by CosmicCitizen
On balance a dog's life is not worth that of a human being. But there is a double standard here when it involves the police (some justified given there status as LE and some not). If you "assault" a K9 dog you will be charged with assaulting an "officer" and if you point a gun at a police officer (human) you will be shot and killed (assuming he is within range and quicker at the trigger than you). Now let me ask you is not a family pet considered a member of one's "family" and do you not have the right to protect your family? If you point a gun (even a stun gun) at a K9 "officer" his handler would probably use deadly force to prevent it....and found to be justified. Part of the problem in this case is that the police chief told him to kill the dogs so that escalates it to above simply tasing the dog. I do not believe the officer needed a warrant on a domestic dispute call unless the call was for a neighbor and they were simply accessing his property. What should have happened is the man should have called off the dogs and the officer rescended his threat. What a shame.

This is true and if the man were thinking rationally he might have realized that but this deliberate and malicious provocation, a frightening over reach of authority - caused him to snap and act with an overwhelming, pure, irrational, emotional response.

Don't they train Police Officers in human psychology at all?

The guy has to plead temporary insanity. He has a case. Animals are not our property you can take away, taser or shoot at will without some repercussion. In fact I think an act like what this officer tried to do is ALWAYS done to provoke the homeowner!

And he got a response.
It was not the response he was seeking of course but it was response to an abuse of power
and in today's heated climate it was risky of the cop to initiate this over step of his authority.
He did not have a warrant..

The aggression against the mans dogs was NOT done for protection (he had time to call in and ask what to do!) his life wasn't threatened and we all meet dogs on the street without killing them nor they us...it is a deliberate and unwarranted provocation to the owner and punishment or recrimination before any guilt is brought or any charge is assigned.
Acting as if he is GUILTY until proved innocent - is what tasing this mans dogs is or would have

reply to post by newcovenant


ya but that is not the story is it?

the cop did not hurt the puppies in all that time now did he?

but he did have his head blown off.


outside the house btw.

i love animals,i love my dog more than a human beings life,stun guns kill dog's because of the high voltage,so i would see red too if some idiot pointed one at my dog,think about it,do you choose to be a coward and let him kill your dog or do you blast him? the answers quite obvious.

The article says the dogs were attacking, and the article says it was a domestic incident...so my guess is the guy was already busting a vessel.

Human life is precious, and now two children will never see their Daddy again.

reply to post by newcovenant


We've already been through all of this in this thread. I asked a police officer (someone I know is a cop) a few specific questions earlier. I consider him to be a good cop, it says senior officer on his uniform.

First question was about the lawfulness of shooting someone's dog. He said that he considers using his gun on an animal or a person a last resort. He also said that if an officer feels at anytime that his safety is in danger that they have the authority to use any means that they have to, to keep themselves safe. According to him not every police officer is so tolerant when it comes to that authority. Straight from the horses mouth folks. So watch those hands, and lock up your dogs, or Barney Fife might shoot you, and be in the right.

Second question was about the warrant. Answer is, no. No paper warrant is needed on a call and if anything is found during the investigation into the disturbance a warrant can be drawn up that makes it admissible in court. So basically, as soon as someone calls, they have a warrant. Maybe not on them but they have the authority.

That's how it works in my state, I don't know how it works in that state or how it works in yours.

reply to post by Chewingonmushrooms


To be fair it was a domestic...they may have been concerned for the safety of the partner/kids, in which case there isn't always time to get a warrant. Unfortunatly the article doesn't give much info so we don't know if he was known to be violent.

Originally posted by CaptChaos
Let's see. What if a COP "sicced his dog" on YOU and you pointed a tazer at it? What do you think would happen?

Soooooo, what should the cop have done? Let the dog attack him? Stun setting on a taser may kill a dog, but what was he supposed to do? He had the presence of mind NOT to pull the gun out on the dog, which meant that he did not want to kill it. Just neutralize the threat to himself.

And the point is, he was responding to a domestic disturbance call. He was SUMMONED to the location by someone who felt they were in danger enough to call the police for help. Someone came out with a shotgun and told the cop to leave and you think he should have just walked away? That display showed the officer that there was some sort of situation in the household and that he needed to STAY and investigate. I would hate to call the police because someone is kicking my behind and my butt-kicker tells the cops to leave and they do.

There are many cases where there are corrupt cops that are out to hurt people and abuse their authority, but based on the info that I see here, this isn't one of those cases. There could have been many ways that the situation could have been diffused, but putting a shotgun in someone's face and pulling the trigger should not have been one of them. One guy is dead and one is in jail. Who won? At this point not even the dogs that he was trying to "protect".

reply to post by HenryTwoTimes

Dogs don't know any better. If you are trying to encroach upon a man's right to live his life, you should prepare for encountering everything that life entails without going in with weapons drawn.

You are 100% WRONG!! The officer was responding to a domestic disturbance, which is one of the most dangerous, volatile situations. He was NOT "encroaching", as you so foolishly put it.

Originally posted by fooks
reply to post by newcovenant

 

ya but that is not the story is it?

the cop did not hurt the puppies in all that time now did he?

but he did have his head blown off.


outside the house btw.

And it is very sad. I feel for his family. For some people their pets are like family.
They will act emotionally and not rationally.
In a political climate where people fear Martial Law and someone is coming for your gun, or a government takeover you are bound to be irrational, you are saturated in it, surrounded with it.

It does not become so far out of the realm of possibility you are being attacked right now and dragged off to a FEMA trailer. It is NOT way out of line to defend your home, or even defend your pets who are defending you and your home.

Of course this man was wrong.
But he was wrong with a reason.

And just as police can charge you with the death of someone they killed because YOU initiated the crime, same rule should apply here.

The Police Sargent who initiated the order should be charged with the death.
The homeowner in this case was a tool of violence.
For all we know this Sargent that issued the order KNEW homeowner was a powder-keg and planned the death of that officer by deliberately requiring an illegal and needlessly violent and aggressive order.
Murder by proxy.

Just saying until a trial, I am not going to hang this homeowner.
I won't applaud what he did nor recommend it. It is unfortunate.
I cannot resuscitate this Officer either though.
Prevent future mishaps by asking Police to remember most of the folks at home ARE ARMED now.
They must not attack or provoke the populace or group called "homeowners" since I know they do not technically protect individuals any more...In dealing with this select group, they are likely to get shot if they over step the bounds of their authority while they themselves are carrying a gun - it is equal force.

No warrant and he aims a firearm at the mans pet.. he shouldn't have killed the cop, but he had every right to shoot him given the fact that the cop was on his property pointing loaded weapons at him and his pets.. Cops need to learn they are not invincible or above the law.. its sad this guy is dead, but i do think he was in the wrong here.

This is a very unfortunate incident ...and I do feel for cops who get called out somewhere,and have to deal with an emotional human,as well as their dog, who is most likely riled up because the master is.

This cop was trying to his job to the best of his ability, and he obviously was a nice cop..because he at least called his superior about the situation,instead of dealing with it aggressively on his own. The advice he got..wasn't the best , considering the emotional state of the suspect. Pepper spray would have been better.. in my opinion.

I think cops should be trained more in psychology and diffusing peoples emotional states. An emotional angry man is not going to react well to aggressive tactics , and doing your best to calm someone in this state down is the first step to turning this situation around. I realize that is easier said than done, and when you have an angry barking dog at your heels , your first extinct should be to protect yourself. The owner should have called the dog off...but was not in a rational state of mind.

This is sad..because most likely a nice cop was killed..which will add more fuel to the excuses that the bad cops use ,to get away with unnecessary excessive force. A no win situation all around.

It's about bloody time that someone had the cojones to defend himself and his family - dogs included.

The only way that we can stop the wave of police over-reaction to every incident is to put law enforcement on notice that we simply are not going to take this abuse any more.

As long as cops look upon the citizenry as scum and treat us as enemies automatically, WE THE PEOPLE have the right to treat them as an occupying force and respond in kind.

I have no sympathy whatsoever for this gestapo pig. He got precisely what he deserved.

Oh good grief!!!
A dogs life is not higher then the life of a human. Sorry, but that is just the fact.
If placing an animal's life is going to go head to head with a human, then we are doomed.

It is a dog, period.
The homeowner is wrong and will rightfully face punishment.

It is this kind of behavior that cinches further on your "freedoms" and "rights"...

If you think it was so hard to live within the boundaries of the current laws...imagine what it will be like if everyone acted as this a$$hole.

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh
Reply to post by mademyself1984

 

Actually, the police were not called to his property, but were directed there by the complainant, who was about 100 yards away.

They did need a warrant, as no crime had been committed on this man's property, there was no crime in progress, and the man refused to grant access to his property.

Simple law 101 here folks.

 

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Are you seriously saying that in America if the only way to access a property is via an alley (and assuming from this you need to enter an area before reaching a door) to actually knock on said door needs a warrant? Are you really saying that? If that's the case do you not think that is, well, stupid? Searching property when there is no immediate threat to life, I can kind of agree to, but there is absolutely nothing in anything that has been posted here that says that was the intention.

Some of the comments in this thread have repulsed me and show some seriously warped views.

reply to post by Tholidor

It's about bloody time that someone had the cojones to defend himself and his family - dogs included.

He was not defending anyone..he was irrational, and was a suspect of abuse. What is a cop supposed to do..walk away from a potential victim of murder..(whoever called this in)..

If you think this is a situation that warranted the police officer being shot..( he was trying to protect himself) ..then it will be your kind of mindset that adds fuel to the rest of the police officers feeling like they have to be even more aggressive to protect themselves.

What would this world be like if all police officers just up and quit? People would have to patrol themselves...and when they got confronted with an angry dog that wanted to bite their arm off...what would they do? I bet a lot of people wouldn't think twice of shooting that dog..and they would say they did it out of self protection for themselves..or their families.

I really would love to see so many of you here..who are siding with the dog owner... in the policemans position someday.... and see how you would react..my guess is that 50 % of you wouldn't even make the call to someone else for advice.

Originally posted by Thestargateisreal
reply to post by mademyself1984

 

Blind optimism will also not help anything.

Blind pessimism will certainly help a whole lot less.