Those We Call Cavemen Were All That Remained Of Humanity After The Last Time We Destroyed Ourselves

reply to post by aorAki
How complete is the fossil record? How much of whatever has been discovered within the fossil record does the mainstream even know about? What knowledge of terrible disasters and extinctions of large groups of animals and humans has been intentionally kept far away from the mainstream?

Human history goes back a helluva lot longer than we are misled to believe it does and the last thing that tptb want us to realize,is that we have done this all before,risen up and driven down,again and again,for at least hundreds of thousands of years and perhaps many millions and any evidence of human civilizations and human technology that may have existed millions of years ago,has by now been mostly torn asunder and obliterated and whatever has been found from way back then,has been and will continue to be ruthlessly ridiculed, denined and suppressed...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by CaptainLJB

 

Dead wooly mammoths,dead wooly rhinoceros and other animals have been found many times in a still standing position,with broken bones,with their instantly frozen,perfectly preserved bodies containing tropical vegetation inside their stomachs and their mouths

The bolded portions above are complete and utter (not to mention purposeful) falsehoods.

For example, the mammoths you mention with vegetation found in their mouths and stomachs had been eating buttercups. When Graham Hancock tells you this, he is fond of pointing out the regions that buttercups grow in are tropical and subtropical. That's true as far as it goes, buttercups do grow in tropical and subtropical environments. However, buttercups also grow in arctic environments and, lo and behold, the Arctic Buttercup is precisely the vegetation found in the frozen mammoth's stomachs and mouths.

No tropical vegetation has EVER been found in any frozen mammoth's body.

If you carefully read the various claims made about this vegetation in fringe writings, you can note that they never actually say that tropical vegetation was found in a mammoth's stomach. They say buttercups. Then, they go on to state the true fact that buttercups are known to grow in the tropics and subtropics, somehow omitting the absolute fact that buttercups are also known to grow in arctic and subarctic evirons!

Harte

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by aorAki

 

How complete is the fossil record? How much of whatever has been discovered within the fossil record does the mainstream even know about? What knowledge of terrible disasters and extinctions of large groups of animals and humans has been intentionally kept far away from the mainstream?

Human history goes back a helluva lot longer than we are misled to believe it does and the last thing that tptb want us to realize,is that we have done this all before,risen up and driven down,again and again,for at least hundreds of thousands of years and perhaps many millions and any evidence of human civilizations and human technology that may have existed millions of years ago,has by now been mostly torn asunder and obliterated and whatever has been found from way back then,has been and will continue to be ruthlessly ridiculed, denined and suppressed...

edit on 31-5-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

That's complete and utter nonsense! If we can find dinosaur remains from MILLIONS of years ago, and fossils billion year old, we would also find those "ancient extinct civilization" remains. But we don't!

reply to post by MrXYZ


You must learn to read the earlier messages First before responding. In short, considering that 4/5ths of our planet is underwater and that man-made tech and remains Don't Last, it's a miracle we've found as much as we have already. Not to mention certain "clean up crews" who deliberately hide evidence--and civilizations that would simply Recycle anything as the need arose over the centuries.

Of course you could play it safe and say that anything out-of-place or unexplained can be blamed on alien visitors or just dumb misinterpretation of evidence. These are very popular approaches.

reply to post by Harte


Is that the best you can do, Harte, split a few hairs over Vegetation?

You're really disappointing me these past couple weeks...

Originally posted by CaptainLJB
reply to post by Harte

 

Is that the best you can do, Harte, split a few hairs over Vegetation?

You're really disappointing me these past couple weeks...

I hope you're pulling my leg here, since the "shocking" part of the story is the "tropical and subtropical buttercups" angle.

Otherwise, it's "Well, some animals that live in freezing temps get frozen."

Harte

reply to post by Harte


Yeah, and...? Let's hear the rest of it:

Instantly frozen standing up with Undigested plant materials in their bellies. And their meat fresh enough to be eaten by modern man in several cases.

There are a couple of interesting theories to explain this, though they're beyond this particular thread's subject matter.

Originally posted by CaptainLJB
reply to post by Harte

 

Yeah, and...? Let's hear the rest of it:

Instantly frozen standing up with Undigested plant materials in their bellies. And their meat fresh enough to be eaten by modern man in several cases.

Sure, you can type that.

Let's see you actually back it up.

It's simply not true that any of these animals (which, by the way, were frozen every season over at least several hundred, if not thousands, of years and not all at once) were found "instantly frozen" or standing up.

Regarding the meat issue, that is most likely true but, so what?

Meat frozen for a thousand or more years might not be the tastiest, but it beats nothing at all when you're hungry.

A fact that you and others may not know is that pachyderms don't actually digest food in their stomachs. Practically all pachyderm digestion actually takes place in the intestine, with the stomach basically serving as storage only:

The simplicity of the elephant's digestive system is illustrated in part by the stomach. The stomach is a simple sac that is oriented almost vertically. It is of an unusual cylindrical shape, with the middle region being partly glandular. Unbelievably, not much digestion takes place in the stomach, but it acts in the capacity of storage.

Source

Also:

The muscular oesophagus ushers the food into the stomach, which acts more as a storage sac as not much digestion takes place in this organ. The elephant’s stomach is cylindrical in shape and the middle of the organ is particularly glandular. From here, food is ushered into the extraordinarily long intestines. The intestine of an elephant can reach up to 19 metres in length!

The intestine is where most of the digestion of the vegetative diet takes place.

Source

And:

Elephants have a cylindrical—shaped stomach. The stomach primarily functions in food storage. Digestion takes place in the cecum (pouch connected to the large intestine). The combined length of the small and large intestines is about 35 m (100 ft.) in length.

Source

As you (hopefully) can see, the fact that dead pachyderms were found with undigested food in their stomachs and mouths is not indicative of the speed at which they were frozen.

Given these two facts: that digestion of any type ends shortly after death, and that digestion hardly occurs at all in the stomach of even a living pachyderm, finding a dead pachyderm with digested food in its stomach would be the more unusual discovery.

Please note here that I have included three different references backing up what I typed about pachyderm digestion. If you want to continue to post fantasy claims about ooparts like these mammoths, then I suggest you stop making stand-alone statements, which appear to come right off the top of your head (as an aside, I know they didn't because if I'm an expert on anything, it's fringe theories) and start providing sources. You should read your sources as well. If you do, you'll find that your sources are all stating the same thing over and over. That thing is their own interpretation of what can be read in the book "Siberian Man and Mammoth" by Eugen Wilhelm Pfizenmayer. This book is a narrative of a couple of expeditions in the early 1900's (before 1910, IIRC) that took place in Siberia. These expeditions established the existence of frozen mammoths and started all the hooplah.

Please note that the date of the book is the mid 1930's. Even the book's publication, not to mention the expeditions themselves, predated modern scientific methodology. What I mean by that is, at that time, they had no way of knowing how spread out over time the various deaths of mammoths they were able to locate actually were.

Harte

reply to post by Harte


None of my statements come "right off the top" of my head. I've read them before online or in books, usually both sources. My sources are as good as yours, if not better. If I spotted a flying saucer over my house you'd probably demand proof of it, and if I submitted a photo you'd call it a hoax. If I managed to submit the craft itself you'd call it a hoax. Why don't you just admit it that you deny everything on this site and have nothing much better to do.
I'd have more luck debating a child over which candy tastes best. Perhaps I should just agree with you just to shut you up so you'll (hopefully) move on to something bit more productive elsewhere. For I see that you won't go anywhere near that reference to 200 underground cities in Turkey I've posted up. Nah, that's just another Wikipedia hoax.

Originally posted by CaptainLJB
reply to post by Harte

 

None of my statements come "right off the top" of my head. I've read them before online or in books, usually both sources. My sources are as good as yours, if not better. If I spotted a flying saucer over my house you'd probably demand proof of it, and if I submitted a photo you'd call it a hoax. If I managed to submit the craft itself you'd call it a hoax.

See, in the above, you would have (at least) submitted some evidence, instead of just typing some words and whining when people ask how you know this.

Also, I already said that I was aware that your claims don't come right off the top of your head. I merely pointed out that your habit of simply typing a claim, with no reference and no evidence, makes it appear that way.

Originally posted by CaptainLJBWhy don't you just admit it that you deny everything on this site and have nothing much better to do.

I don't think I'm on this site as much as you are, so who, exactly, is it that has "nothing much to do?"

Anyway, I don't "deny everything" on this site. I only impart the knowledge that I have with respect to some of the outrageous claims people (such as yourself) make here.

There are many topics of which I have little knowledge, or no more knowledge than the average person. You don't see me posting concerning those subjects, since I don't know much about them.

On the other hand, I know a great deal about pseudoarchaeology and its claims, and what the facts (if any) of those claims are, or are not. This is why you see me almost exclusively in the Ancient History section, and in the UFO section (though primarily I only post in threads concerning ancient history in the UFO section as well.)

Originally posted by CaptainLJBI'd have more luck debating a child over which candy tastes best.

Unfortunately for you, which tastes better is a matter of pure opinion. But the claims you've made which I refute are not opinion based. Your claims are based on lies propagated by people making a living by lying, while my refutations are based on actual known facts about the past.

Originally posted by CaptainLJB Perhaps I should just agree with you just to shut you up so you'll (hopefully) move on to something bit more productive elsewhere. For I see that you won't go anywhere near that reference to 200 underground cities in Turkey I've posted up. Nah, that's just another Wikipedia hoax.

I wasn't aware you'd posted that. Is it in this thread? Do you want me to take a look at it?

I'm aware of a great many man-made underground spaces, or "cities," if you insist on calling them that.

EDIT: Do you mean your link to the Unexplained-Mysteries website? If so, how is a tunnel with width 70 cm. like a "city?"

Sorry, pal, but if you look, you'll find me all over that forum as well! LOL

Harte

reply to post by Harte
Try and visualize wooly mammoths and other prehistoric animals standing upon a snow free region, grazing on newly blossomed buttercups,within a cool to warm springtime and then suddenly the earths poles shift and entire oceans and land masses are violently torn asunder and horrificly hurled into and across each other,as walls of water and mountains of ice and snow are instantly thrust upon those totally unaware animals and prehistoric human civilizations as well,crushing,drowning,freezing and burying the vast majority of them alive and the brutal truth,for us here and now,is realizing that something very simiilar and extremely terrible could happen to humanity,any moment of any day and the sad and sorry fact is knowing that the vast majority of people dont give a damn,because they are too posessed by greed,while living in almost complete denial of reality...

reply to post by Harte


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reply to post by CaptainLJB
Something happened that forever altered the destiny of humanity and nothing has ever been the same since.A supremely critical moment has sealed our fate.Ominously and insidiously,we have reached a point of no return and theres no going back and now theres nowhere to run and theres nowhere to hide from what we have done...

The fate of the human race was sealed on july 16th 1945 in new mexico,when the first atomic bomb was detonated and we decided it for ourselves.The beginning of the atomic age and that nuclear abomination we made,that hellish atomic monster we designed and set free has since given birth to so many thousands of monsterous children who will rise and destroy their creators in the end...

We have become our own avenging angels of death,we have given ourselves the ability to kill so many millions of people in an instant and the vast majority live in denial of the fact,living day to day in blissful ignorance,a self induced,greed driven trance half asleep,not even really caring or thinking about what we have actually done...

Someday sooner or later we will get what we asked for.We will receive what we deserve for our thoughtlessness and arrogance like never before,an incomprehensibly terrible price will be payed for our incessant nuclear arms race and the massive amounts of nuclear weapons,the arsenals of mega death,that resulted from it...

Most people seem to always have to find out things the hard way,not knowing what they have till its gone.We have conjured an atomic wind and we will inevitably reap its nuclear whirlwind,a world wide conflagration of unimaginable proportions will be unleashed...

The united states, russia, china, france, israel, england, pakistan, india and north korea all have,or soon will have the ability to inevitably destroy the vast majority of the human race and render the earth unsuitable for human and animal life and one or any combination of those countries and or some evil hell bent group of people will set off a horrific and unstoppable chain of events that will ultimately lead to the extinction of most of humanity and those who may survive through and beyond it,will find themselves praying for death to release them...

reply to post by blocula


First atomic bomb in Modern Times, that is. So said Oppenheimer. Not to mention that other ancient Indian quote about becoming the Destroyer... This guy Knew. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they got a spark of nuclear insight from deciphering old Sanskrit writings...

Originally posted by Harte

I'm aware of a great many man-made underground spaces, or "cities," if you insist on calling them that.

EDIT: Do you mean your link to the Unexplained-Mysteries website? If so, how is a tunnel with width 70 cm. like a "city?"

Sorry, pal, but if you look, you'll find me all over that forum as well! LOL

Harte

edit on 6/2/2012 by Harte because: to respond to underground cities

Go back and re-read it. The source is Wikipedia not some fringe crackpot site (though I do post links to those if the Information Within is corroborated by other sources. I'd just as well reference the likes of David Icke's books such as "The Biggest Secret" but just mentioning Icke is an opening for guys like you to get off on. I don't buy all his theories nor his sources, but that does not discredit All of them by any means. In fact, Icke's earliest (pre-lizard) works contain some very interesting material.

And if you silence that beating heart, I Might be able to think more clearly when typing on here.

reply to post by CaptainLJB
Wikipedia has the same rate of mistakes as the encyclopedia britannica does,at least thats what i read somewhere recently...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by Harte

 

Try and visualize wooly mammoths and other prehistoric animals standing upon a snow free region, grazing on newly blossomed buttercups,within a cool to warm springtime and then suddenly the earths poles shift and entire oceans and land masses are violently torn asunder and horrificly hurled into and across each other,as walls of water and mountains of ice and snow are instantly thrust upon those totally unaware animals and prehistoric human civilizations as well,crushing,drowning,freezing and burying the vast majority of them alive and the brutal truth,for us here and now,is realizing that something very simiilar and extremely terrible could happen to humanity,any moment of any day and the sad and sorry fact is knowing that the vast majority of people dont give a damn,because they are too posessed by greed,while living in almost complete denial of reality...

edit on 2-6-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Visualize a wooly mammoth falling into a crevace and freezing to death.

Originally posted by CaptainLJB
reply to post by MrXYZ

 

In short, considering that 4/5ths of our planet is underwater and that man-made tech and remains Don't Last, it's a miracle we've found as much as we have already.

Man-made tech absolutely remains. Porcelain, glass, cut gems, plastics... All of this would be present in our fossil record.

As for your allegation that "clean-up crews" are responsible for whatever lack of evidence you have for your theory: I could make the same claim about literally anything that has no evidence. The question becomes, then, why do we believe it despite the lack of evidence? What reason do we have to believe any of this, why did you come to believe it in the first place, if you never saw a single piece of evidence to support it thanks to these shadowy "clean-up crews"?

reply to post by wirehead
What if some of the very ancient and long ago erased civilizations didnt live for the lust of materialism,like we do? What if they existed in harmony with nature and not at war with it,like we are? What if they were not a paper,plastic and metal based society like we are? What now would remain of those civilizations after many tens of thousands,perhaps millions of years of naturally occurring disasters and decay have taken their unstoppable toll,tearing asunder and eventually destroying anything and everything?

Tptb are relentlessly desensitizing us with movie after movie filled with murder,gore and violence and unfortunately,they might be preparing the vast majority of us for the eventual eruption of a deadly world wide revolution,when they will flee into their subterranean blast proof bunkers,where they and their families and friends,the elite beautiful people,protected by armed to the teeth soldier sentinels, will ride out the surface storm and then they will arise into a much smaller,more easily controlled human population,to rule and dominate those who survive,within another new world order...