Those We Call Cavemen Were All That Remained Of Humanity After The Last Time We Destroyed Ourselves

Originally posted by punkinworks10
reply to post by Xtrozero

 

Yes alien life could be very different, but could also be very similar.
Chemistry is chemistry, no matter where in the universe you are, there are only so many elements to work with.
If life arises on a planet with similar conditions to ours the chemistry of life will be the same.

True, but if we go back in time earth would have been uninhabitable for us many times over, but life was still here.

reply to post by Xtrozero
The origins of all life on earth,earths biosphere,may have originated from deep space,brought here within comets that impacted upon the earth a few billion years ago...

Comets may have brought life to Earth:new study > phys.org...

Originally posted by SavedOne

Originally posted by metaldemon2000
Metal? Hardly. 1000 years tops exposed to the elements.

Nope. Just look at the Antikytheria mechanism, a clockwork device over 2000 years old and still intact enough to recognize what it was. And it was made of delicate metal construction. SirMike is absolutely right, today's construction would last thousands of years largely intact and would still leave recognizable remnants tens of thousands of years into the future. The pyramids are simple stacks of stone and look at how they've held up. Construction is my field, I have over 25 years experience and training in materials technology. I don't think most people not involved in the field realize just how durable today's alloys and materials are.

I don't buy that. Metals oxidize and decay. Everything falls apart. Entropy gnaws.
The fact that that mechanism survived is a freak of nature.

Our civilization today is also making things cheaper and junkier all the time--thanks to Capitalism, it pays to make products which Don't last.

Cyclical civilizations is the Only thing that makes sense (IMHO!). An old interest of mine, it explains the Ancient Astronaut theory and flesh-and-blood "gods" of the ancients. It explains OOPARTs. There also is some proof for the possibility of an ancient nuclear war having been fought. And that alone would explain the network of man-made tunnels beneath the Earth. We'd call them bomb shelters today. Some American Indian peoples claim their ancestors lived under the Earth...

Where's the evidence beyond all those stone monuments around the planet? A "greener" civilization would be less inclined to focus on toy tech like ours. In any case, after thousands of years most everything will perish. The biggie thing to acknowledge is that a good portion of our planet is Underwater when long ago dry cities stood upon them! Oh, I think it's quite reasonable to assume that there once was a global civilization long ago. Piri Reis's map comes to mind. Ever hear of the Great Circle? That Might have been the equator at one point. Build cities along the equator while on the edge of an Ice Age to keep warm...

Any major deluge or nuclear war could have completely wiped out civilizations around the globe in the distant past. Blasted them back to the Stone Age. There are other threads about Giants being covered-up. Red-haired guys sometimes associated with gods. Today, if They exist, have degenerated to the level of cave-dwelling Yeti and Bigfoot beasts. How's that for a fall from grace...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by Xtrozero

 

The origins of all life on earth,earths biosphere,may have originated from deep space,brought here within comets that impacted upon the earth a few billion years ago...

Comets may have brought life to Earth:new study > phys.org...

edit on 27-4-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

I don't agree that is how life started here. I think life under the right conditions happens and we don't need that stray comet to infuse it. What infused the comet? It's the chicken or the egg so I'll go with that since life started very quickly after earth was formed it is a natural process that will happen under the right conditions. That condition is water and heat.....

There is a reason why carbon out of all the other elements is called the organic element...

Originally posted by blocula
And think about this while falling asleep some night...

The neanderthals and cromagnon people,with their brutish body structures and rugged,contorted facial features, may have once looked just like modern humans,but were mutated from massive exposures to radiation during fallout from ancient atomic war and then their offspring attained the look and appearance of neanderthals and cromagnon people...Wow...Damn...

If nothing more ^ that ^ really could be made into one hell of a great movie...

edit on 31-3-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Personally, I think if you want to hit the nail on the head the key to the whole cyclical civilizations cover-up lies with the Giants. Tall, massive--with obviously larger-than-average Brains. The Smithsonian is covering them up (read the threads, guys!) for a reason. You prove there's a cover-up here, that acknowledges the Giants existed. The Giants were the architects from the ancient high-tech global civilization... Don't even bother with the fallout theory to explain the proto-humans. Focus on Giants.

See how this all nicely fits together?

Originally posted by HillbillyHippie1
If it were true (and I am not saying it is not possible) that humanity has played this tune before and has done so over and again, you would think that a little knowledge of history, archaeology, ecology, and what is known as "forest forensics" would make it all too obvious. We have some pretty dang old forests and landscapes on this green Earth and there is no such thing as a "society" without agriculture and roads or other methods of transportation that do not require "clearing" of the land. Trees may be only a few hundred years old, but soil which is moved tends to either stay put over an extended period of time or at least leave evidence of it having been moved at one time. Maybe the "big guys" know this, and that is why they are so interested in Antarctica? Maybe they are looking for evidence that some farmer dumped rocks at the edge of his field, down in Antarctica, or maybe they found it? A pile of rocks at the edge of an area of land is only one of many evidences left over to prove the land had been "worked" in the past. Imagine how many more one could think of if they put their mind to it, as I am certain the very intelligent have already done?

If you want evidence of past civilizations I suggest studying history, archaeology, and anthropology... taking notes, learning about forest growth and ecology and some geology, and then looking for what may be right in front of your face.

Civilization is only supposed to have been around for a few thousand years, right? Well, look at the landscape... Landscapes don't change that quickly. For instance, the Appalachian Mountains are supposed to be some of the oldest mountains in the world and they are still here. The Susquehanna River which runs through the Appalachians is one of the oldest rivers in the world and it is still here. So.... Do you think if someone cut a significant chunk out of one of them or a similar area there would be no evidence left?

The Appalachian Mountain chain is estimated to be some 400 million years old. I believe the fossil of "Lucy" is only 3 million years old. Are you going to tell me that if an advanced civilization of humanity once flourished on this planet you will not find all sorts of stuff carved right into or out of the Appalachians or similar mountains? Now, I am not talking pyramids or structures, but simply evidence of leveling of the ground (in the very distant past) for agriculture or urbanization or even mining activity? Look at what we do and have done to them! We have tunnels through them, railroad grades, interstates, and whole cities dug into their sides. You may not find a building but you damn sure ought to find evidence of the ground being disturbed in some shape or form! It may be hard to detect, but it should still be there. Who knows, maybe old roads turned into new streams, or old cuts in the hillside got worn down over time, but they still bare distinct trademarks of having been initially disturbed by conscious beings?

All I am saying is, if the evidence is there, it should be easy to spot, once people know where and how to look.

I don't trust the elites any more than the next guy, so there is my two cents on it. Do with my comments and suggestions what you will.

If the oldest Undiscovered civilizations are resting on the ocean Bottom now (if not below That) then it should come as no surprise that there's no tangible evidence.

Studying archaeology isn't going to do much good if findings which run against the grain are Suppressed. Something is dug up which is considered Too Old is automatically Redated or outright considered erroneous for one reason or another. Read Michael Cremo's books. Then (like beating a dead horse) there's the whole line of Giant remains which have been dug up all around the world (and especially right here in the U.S.) and apparently buried or dumped by the Smithsonian because they would upset their smooth evolution timeline.

Where did all the Technology come from to build the pyramids, the Easter Island statues etc.? The engineering, mathematics, tools? Did it just spring out of nowhere--or come from a more ancient and Demolished civilization?

Let me put it to you guys this way: Which is more plausible. Aliens from space coming down and giving all this knowledge to primitive humans or for primitive humans arising from a much more ancient civilization? Maybe guided by survivors of a high-tech society in which they would be called Gods? Well, which is more plausible? Space aliens which are bipedal, quite humanoid, and apparently get along quite well in our gravity, atmospheric pressure and comfty Earth environment which would be Alien to them? No fear of alien microbes? No difficiulty communicating? Clarke's Law's the copout IMO.

Why is it that me and Blocula are in the minority here? Maybe because we're on to something we Shouldn't be discussing, hmmm?

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How Long Does It Take For Trash to Biodegrade? The life expectancy of common materials >
www.greenecoservices.com...

Originally posted by ecoparity

Group A might agree on a "prime directive" approach but what if Stalin had sent the first pioneers into space who found an Earth like planet with a more primitive civilization living on it? What if the Nazi's had been the first?

As of 1945, with the development of the Atom Bomb, not to mention all the rumored technology developed by the Nazi's, our civilization reached the capability of leaving our planet and traveling to other solar systems. This is why the "watchers" as they have been called by many older groups of our species, began to make themselves much more apparent again around that time. One way or another they managed to convince the people in power that following through with project Orion would be a bad idea.

I really should take this concept to its own thread as it ties into so many things and explains so many questions, historic events, etc that I could literally go into details for the next year or so on this.

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Speaking of all that "rumored technology" developed by the Nazis... Isn't it rather strange that they could develop such high-tech stuff in so short a time and under such intense conditions?
Nazi ideologies came from occult groups and fanatics about proving the superiority of Germany's ancestors and Past. Hitler dispatched expeditions all over the world to retrieve any and every scrap of information about the ancient past... Seems to me that maybe they succeeded somewhere along the line and brought back information or tech about certain high-energy systems perhaps stored away somewhere or passed along from an ancient high-tech global civilization...

Originally posted by blocula
reply to post by CaptainLJB

 

How Long Does It Take For Trash to Biodegrade? The life expectancy of common materials >
www.greenecoservices.com...

edit on 28-4-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Nice list!

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The Nazi Connection with Shambhala and Tibet > www.berzinarchives.com...

The Third Reich And The Hollow Earth > mitchtestone.blogspot.com...

Originally posted by CaptainLJB

Originally posted by blocula
And think about this while falling asleep some night...

The neanderthals and cromagnon people,with their brutish body structures and rugged,contorted facial features, may have once looked just like modern humans,but were mutated from massive exposures to radiation during fallout from ancient atomic war and then their offspring attained the look and appearance of neanderthals and cromagnon people...Wow...Damn...

If nothing more ^ that ^ really could be made into one hell of a great movie...

edit on 31-3-2012 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Personally, I think if you want to hit the nail on the head the key to the whole cyclical civilizations cover-up lies with the Giants.

There Were Giants in Those Days > s8int.com...

Originally posted by AwakeinNM
Do you really think that humans could collectively destroy civilization and all its infrastructure to the point where there are no buildings or roads, yet some humans still survive, some of them still possessing knowledge of how to build structures and roads, yet they do nothing but draw deer on cave walls?

My friend, I think you watch too many movies. I don't think we could do that to ourselves so thoroughly. If there is a cyclical trend, then it would have to be something cataclysmic that happens TO humanity to destroy everything in a short time span. Even then, I don't know that I'd be totally convinced.

Today, with nuclear arsenals across the world, we could thoroughly exterminate not only mankind but 99% of life on this planet. I've no doubt about it. It would be a miracle If humans managed to repopulate the planet (beyond their cozy underground bunkers). Fallout tends to stay around for long periods of time.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
ummm...ok.

1.But what kind of destruction do you have in mind that completely wiped out every last piece of tehcnology.... that got these survivors of the great destruction to go back to making everything from scratch?

2. Even if their hi-tech toys became useless, some memory would have remained of the technology that they would have once used...but instead we had cavemen living in well... caves.

3. What about language? Survivors of a great destruction would not have completely discarded language and writing.
Language/writing would play a huge role for survivors to regroup and reorganize.
Yet, we do not see any evidence of a language that cavemen may have used.

edit on 4-10-2011 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)

What kind of destruction? There's a long list which features everything from all-out nuclear war, polar reversals, asteroid bombardment, solar flares... Any number of things can create massive flooding, tsunamis, and global destruction.

People could very well end up living in caves if they're deprived of technology. If a whole continent sinks and you take refuge on a desert island, there really isn't much choice. People these days are tech-heads who would be lost without electricity.

I don't have the link to it anymore, but one of the keys to an ancient global civilization is the fact that there are linguistic links around the world in our oldest languages. Not to mention religious rituals and old beliefs inexplicably shared by different peoples on different continents.


I think it's too difficult for people to grasp the concept of degenerating into a race of near-savages following a global apocalypse. No wonder people outright reject it.

reply to post by CaptainLJB
Its so painfully obvious and frighteningly clear to see and realize that todays modern society is imploding and about to self destruct,again...

Rampant crime and senseless savage murder,widespread mental depression, unemployment rates spiraling out of control with some countries experiencing a 25% jobless rate,unhindered civil wars breaking out all over the world,multiple countries simultaneously saber rattling and threatening to attack eachother...

Those and other warning signs were exactly what happened before world war-2 exploded all over the earth.Things like the great depression and the gangster era crime waves and those warning signs are all around us today,with fangs bared,about to rip out our collective throats...

But when that all consuming hellish war began,there were no nuclear weapons and now there are thousands of atomic warheads all over the planet...

Our empathy,compassion and love for eachother is going extinct and most of humanity will soon be following that same sad and sorry course,again...

We are once more being propelled and driven ever faster,ever closer to doomsday,racing towards our own self destruction and and most people refuse to see it and refuse to admit it,because greed driven denial and self centered ignorance is easier and more comfortable for most people to live with...

Here we go with the beginning of a "proof" for this thread:
www.xpeditionsmagazine.com...

If this isn't an archaeological cover-up, then I don't know what is.

These dead guys had big heads. Big heads means large cranial capacity. Large cranial capacity means High Intelligence. In other words, we're not dealing with pea-brained knuckle-dragging ape-men here who haven't discovered fire yet.

What we Are dealing with is a species of man linked to an ancient global civilization which preceded our own.

That is why it's being covered-up.

For more fun around here, you can hop over to this thread dealing with more out of place artifacts:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
and here...
www.ooparts.us... which was probably already posted...

reply to post by blocula


Exactly! The cycle again. Except maybe this time nobody will crawl out of it alive to build a new civilization. The billionaires will party away the remainder of their lives in exotic bunkers and the hell with everyone else.

All that money wasted on war and greed could have been spent on spaceflight and colonizing another world.
What a waste.

Originally posted by CaptainLJB

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
ummm...ok.

1.But what kind of destruction do you have in mind that completely wiped out every last piece of tehcnology.... that got these survivors of the great destruction to go back to making everything from scratch?

2. Even if their hi-tech toys became useless, some memory would have remained of the technology that they would have once used...but instead we had cavemen living in well... caves.

3. What about language? Survivors of a great destruction would not have completely discarded language and writing.
Language/writing would play a huge role for survivors to regroup and reorganize.
Yet, we do not see any evidence of a language that cavemen may have used.

edit on 4-10-2011 by sk0rpi0n because: (no reason given)

What kind of destruction? There's a long list which features everything from all-out nuclear war, polar reversals, asteroid bombardment, solar flares... Any number of things can create massive flooding, tsunamis, and global destruction.

As well as gamma ray burst,global pandemic,axis tilt,ice ages,comet impact,superstorms,mega earthquakes,massive volcanic eruptions,continental drift and we cannot rule out the possibility of earth being invaded by malevolent aliens...

reply to post by CaptainLJB
Those relatively few groups of confused human survivors,wandering lost,drifting across a planet ravaged by global nuclear war and torn asunder by naturally occurring cyclic cataclysms,after having suffered through a mad max/road warrior type of existence,will probably continue to degenerate and drag themselves down even further,descending ever deeper into the abyss,reverting all the way backwards into a prehistoric lifestyle,just like cavemen...

Where and when only hunting for food,searching for primitive shelter,looking for medicine and making their own clothing will become their primary concerns...

No more will there be any time to kill...

No more wasting their days and nights,slaving and grinding away...

No more working till they drop dead,only to make the rich more weatlhy and powerful...

No more being hypnotized by money...

No more living posessed by material illusions...

No more being intranced like electronic zombies out of touch with nature...

No more driving eachother into court for revenge and quick cash...

No more railroading eachother into homelessness and prison...

No more worrying about white teeth,hair styles and fake smiles...

No more living captured within a fabricated spell watching dancing with the stars and other talentless actors and actresses...

No more idolizing lying political leaders who live above their own laws...

No more praising and worshipping hollywoods super whores and drug addicted elite,those socially accepted because they have money dope fiends...

Those battered and spiraling downwards humans will wish they were never born,as they perpetually battle death and eachother for survival,as well as fighting off disease,continuous attacks by rabid wild animals and assaults from weather patterns in disarray and they will create new myths and legends,stories to pass down and tell eachother while sitting around campfires in the woods,tales of a mechanized life no longer in existence, remembering a society who refused to admit to itself that it was dying,the world we are living in right now...

They may even produce a new generation of radioactively altered offspring,another race of mutated giants who will walk the earth and construct megalithic structures,that the royal bloodlines in control of some distant future human civilization will unearth,intentionally suppress and keep hidden from their dominated mainstream masses of purposefully misled sheeple,just like us,once again...

Because we've done this all before many times again and again and thats what they dont want us to realize and thats what they dont want us to understand and they would rather kill most of us off, before we find out whats happening,before we know the truth...

Ready to get your eyes opened really wide? and have most of what you were told to think and believe blown right out of your minds?

Not only were there giant humans walking upon the earth,as well as the nightmarish beasts we call dinosaurs, there were also other huge beings and actually, almost every living thing was gigantic...

Remember the image in this link is just a petrified branch,a small branch thats about 40 feet thick that came from a monsterously huge and very ancient tree,once flourishing and growing within a distant and forgotten world that was all but destroyed during some ancient self induced catastrophe caused by humans or during some cyclic cosmic cataclysm...

Just as bewildering and amazing is the fact that the petrifaction process of trees occurs underground...

The Biggest Out Of Place Artifacts Ever.The Immense,Stupendous Petrified Trees Of The Black Hills,South Dakota > s8int.com...

Originally posted by CaptainLJB
Let me put it to you guys this way: Which is more plausible. Aliens from space coming down and giving all this knowledge to primitive humans or for primitive humans arising from a much more ancient civilization? Maybe guided by survivors of a high-tech society in which they would be called Gods? Well, which is more plausible? Space aliens which are bipedal, quite humanoid, and apparently get along quite well in our gravity, atmospheric pressure and comfty Earth environment which would be Alien to them? No fear of alien microbes? No difficiulty communicating? Clarke's Law's the copout IMO.

Why is it that me and Blocula are in the minority here? Maybe because we're on to something we Shouldn't be discussing, hmmm?

"On" to what exactly?

We have nothing and I mean nothing of a race of giants, nothing of aliens, nothing of some ancient high-tech society. You guys live on speculation, assumptions and wild ass guesses...hehe

You say the statement " Which is more plausible" but you only give one side, so I'll give what I see as more plausible.

6 million years ago our ancestors were the same as the chimpanzees. That ancestor may have looked more like a monkey than human, but the relationship to us and chimps would still be the same. After homo branched off just like life has done on earth for billions of years. We actually branched off a few more times with homo Rhodesian, Homo Erectus and Homo Neanderthal as good examples of branches before Homo Sapiens showed up. At the beginning of Homo Sapiens about 300k years ago there may have been four Homo species still on the planet, but only Neanderthal over lapped for any period of time.

We do have Neanderthal DNA in us at 3% across all humans, and what this means is there was some interbreeding, but very early in our history. There was no interbreeding 50k years ago...

One could ask why, and the answer is species change to a new species in about 200k to 1 million years. If we went back in time 200k years ago man would be a little different and we could most likely breed...going back farther we would reach a point like the horse and donkey were they could breed by the off spring is sterile, and so the difference in DNA is reaching the point where interbreeding cannot be done. As we go back farther we run into a different species of homo. This is evolution and how it is with all life on earth, except with the exceptions of humans in your world. This is also why we only have a fixed 3% of Neanderthal DNA in us as interbreeding was only capable in our very early days.

With that said, we just do not have the blue print for ancient civilizations to build up and wiped out over and over. 2.5 million years ago we saw the start of stone tools, we also see these stone tools get better and better across all homo species, we then saw wood and metal used more as homo advanced, but it wasn't until Homo Sapiens came along that pushed this technology forward in the last 25k years, and we still see that steady advancement starting with stone tools and on too with Homo Sapiens.

The problem other than nothing to show for it...where does your world of aliens and ancient civilizations that are so old they are dust today fit in all this....it doesn't...if we go back too far your ancient civilizations were not homo in the least and too soon there would be proof all over the place. Your stone building examples are all done in recent times of 6000 years or newer, so I do not see them built with ancient machines and knowledge that just happened to get lost in the last few 1000 years. Not to mention why build with raw stone if you have advance knowledge and machines?...I don't see us building raw stone sky scrapers...etc

In the end I would say you are on to nothing but a good Terry Brooks storyline sorry to say....