Those We Call Cavemen Were All That Remained Of Humanity After The Last Time We Destroyed Ourselves

"Dna testing has been done on Egyptian mummies. Fairly extensive testing, in fact"
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It has? I don't know...I'm not a member of the Egyptian Antiquities Department,but according to this, they have not...
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Hawass is skeptical of DNA testing of Egyptian mummies. He stated that "From what I understand, it is not always accurate and it cannot always be done with complete success when dealing with mummies. Until we know for sure that it is accurate, we will not use it in our research".[38] In December 2000 a joint team from Waseda University in Japan and Cairo's Ain Shams University tried to get permission for DNA testing of Egyptian mummies, but was denied by the Egyptian Government.[citation needed] Hawass added that DNA analysis was "out of the question" because "it would not lead to anything" < Wikipedia quote.

I guess they have since done DNA testing... "in egypt", by "egyptian scientists", on "egyptian mummies"...But...They will not share the results and will not let any other countries do their own comparative testing....Hmmmm, I wonder how old those mummies really are?...If they were ever tested for age verification at all?
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"But mummy DNA is usually so deteriorated that the chances of finding usable nuclear DNA are slim. Hawass did not say what the mummy's DNA will be compared to in the attempt to identify it. Last year, Egypt started a DNA test on a female mummy to determine whether it is Queen Hatshepsut. The results were never made public. There is some secrecy surrounding Egypt's DNA testing of mummies"....

"Why the reluctance to share the results? Why the unwillingness to publish? Why the refusal to double check the results by sending them to another DNA lab elsewhere in the world"?

Toppling Egyptology's Dictator - Zahi Hawass

Egyptology has been held hostage to the whims of one single tin-pot bureaucrat, called Zahi Hawass.

Hawass claims credit for digs he has nothing to do with, withholds evidence like the DNA results and haplogroups of egyptian mummies when the results threaten Egypt's self image, hides behind 'national security', and expells egyptologists from Egypt when he disagrees with their ideas.

In short, he turned egyptology into a joke. And Mubarak may not be the only dictator to lose his job.

^ Feb-16-th,2011, TH -Thom Hartmann...Page Quote ^

reply to post by blocula


My guess is that they want to keep some of the mystery around the pyramids so that people will continue to wonder and make up stories and conspiracies.
It is in their best interests not to reveal everything because then it wouldnt be a mystery anymore and people would loose interest in the matter.

The Egyptian Government does'nt want to lose what little self image it still has...And that image would be shattered if The Truth got out..."The egyptians did not build the Great Pyramid"...the Atlanteans did...The Egyptians claim it as their own...But it's not...

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No they were built by ordinary people of Egypt and this would be common knowledge if they were to release every research and DNA evidence but they choose to keep the mystery so people like you continue to wonder and make up stories about Atlanteans and aliens

Originally posted by blocula
"Dna testing has been done on Egyptian mummies. Fairly extensive testing, in fact"
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It has? I don't know...I'm not a member of the Egyptian Antiquities Department,but according to this, they have not...

Use the search function here. Search on the terms "Mummy DNA."

Your quote is from before 2000. Hawass was right in that mere DNA sequencing couldn't tell us much.

Even the sequencing of Tut's DNA hasn't yeilded all that much in results that were unexpected.

Remember - mummies aren't all that common. Especially royal ones. And the ones we have are very odften nothing but scraps of flesh.

It has to be weighed whether or not taking and destroying that flesh now will yield results that are worth the loss. Especially if in the near future the technology might improve tenfold.

Harte

Originally posted by blocula
The Egyptian Government does'nt want to lose what little self image it still has...And that image would be shattered if The Truth got out..."The egyptians did not build the Great Pyramid"...the Atlanteans did...The Egyptians claim it as their own...But it's not

That is completely absurd.

What "Egyptian Government" are you referring to here?

Your own ignorance concerning the Great Pyramid notwithstanding, I would think that you'd be up enough on current affairs to not make such a stupid statement regarding the Egyptian "government."

Harte

Originally posted by Waldy
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No they were built by ordinary people of Egypt and this would be common knowledge if they were to release every research and DNA evidence but they choose to keep the mystery so people like you continue to wonder and make up stories about Atlanteans and aliens

The modern day egyptians can't even build a 10 story building in Cairo, without bringing in engineers and architects from other countries to assist them...

And i'm suppose to believe that the egyptians built a nearly 500 ft tall monument. With millions of intricately positioned granite and limestone blocks.I though humans progressed as time went on? But there's no way the egyptians of today could build the Great Pyramid...So what happened?

They may have tried copying the Great Pyramid and they definitely etched and carved upon and within the Great pyramid...They definitely adapted the Great Pyramid to their own gods and beliefs. But were the egyptians the original builders?...No.

I also think that there exists still unknown cycles of the sun.Where its radiated energy fluctuates without warning and causes rapid over-heating and rapid over-freezing of the earth.Resulting in ocasional extinctions.

Just like the mystery of the frozen mammoths > www.answersingenesis.org...

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by Waldy
reply to post by blocula

 

No they were built by ordinary people of Egypt and this would be common knowledge if they were to release every research and DNA evidence but they choose to keep the mystery so people like you continue to wonder and make up stories about Atlanteans and aliens

The modern day egyptians can't even build a 10 story building in Cairo, without bringing in engineers and architects from other countries to assist them...

And i'm suppose to believe that the egyptians built a nearly 500 ft tall monument. With millions of intricately positioned granite and limestone blocks.I though humans progressed as time went on? But there's no way the egyptians of today could build the Great Pyramid...So what happened?

They may have tried copying the Great Pyramid and they definitely etched and carved upon and within the Great pyramid...They definitely adapted the Great Pyramid to their own gods and beliefs. But were the egyptians the original builders?...No.

Your analysis is overly simplistic. You gloss over 4000+ years with the glib remark that "humans progress as time goes on." Clearly this is not what we see in history- we see instead the rise and fall of great civilizations, long periods of dark ages, fluctuations in culture and technology.

The Greeks knew how to build analog computers and almost discovered calculus, but the Romans had neither. There was a period in time when Persia controlled the largest land empire ever known. The Chinese used to be the technological leaders of the world. It all changes. Society is not a linear movement from primitive -> advanced.

That said, the ancients had a lot more time to build large structures and a lot more experience in building them with simple machines and manpower. They figured out things that have since been lost to the sands of time. Why *should* we know how to build megalithic structures? When was the last time anyone ever bothered to?

By your logic, since society has simply advanced in the past 6000+ years, everyone alive today should know how to build furnaces and smelters from basic material using basic tools and know how to smelt iron and forge steel swords like the romans used. After all, it's only been progress since then, right? The reality you discover is that only a handful of dedicated enthusiasts would know the slightest thing about forging a steel sword in the method of the romans, and they probably can't do it a tenth as good as people who lived their whole lives learning how and forging swords on demand.

Basically, the state of constructing high-rises today has absolutely nothing to do with an ancient civilization's ability to construct a megalithic structure.

Basically, the state of constructing high-rises today has absolutely nothing to do with an ancient civilization's ability to construct a megalithic structure.
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To say it has "nothing" to do with it,i think,is totally wrong...

Look at a Model -T car of say 90 years ago,and then compare it's technological evolution to a SL-500 mercedes.

Look at a house from the 1600's and compare it to a modern day home...

Look at a video game from the 1980's and then compare it to the video games of today.

Look at a television from the 1950's and compare it to a modern flat screen television.

Look at a high rise building in NYC in the year 1900 and compare it to the high rises of today.

Look at a bridge from the early 1800's and then compare it to the Golden Gate bridge.


I could go on and on with other examples...

How do the egyptians not fall under this same "obvious technological progression" ?

Are we suppose to change the rules whenever something cannot be explained,like how did the egyptians bulid the Great pyramids way back then,but they can't do it now? Humanity has risen and fallen in recent history,but not that much...

Tell me one other thing, except perhaps the Pyramid of the Sun, that humanity use to be able to build that we can't build now...

And yes architecture is a technology and yes the egyptians technological abilities are severely lacking behind their ancestors ability...Or someone elses ability...

So why?...What happened?...There are two choices...

The Great Pyramid is a lot older than the age that is claimed and the egyptians who built it were advanced enough to do so and then something terrible happened,knocking the egyptians back down to a much lesser technological state and they are still recovering from it up till right now.The ancient egyptians must have been more advanced than the modern egyptians,because the egyptians of today cannot build a Great Pyramid...

The ancient agyptians did not bulid the Great Pyramid.They found a pre-existing structure and claimed it as there own...

By your logic, since society has simply advanced in the past 6000+ years, everyone alive today should know how to build furnaces and smelters from basic material using basic tools and know how to smelt iron and forge steel swords like the romans used.
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Not everyone knows how to build everything that is being built,never have and never will...But there is nothing from history that we can't build today ...Except the Great Pyramid and perhaps the Pyramid of the Sun in central america...

Originally posted by blocula
I also think that there exists still unknown cycles of the sun.Where its radiated energy fluctuates without warning and causes rapid over-heating and rapid over-freezing of the earth.Resulting in ocasional extinctions.

Just like the mystery of the frozen mammoths > www.answersingenesis.org...

edit on 20-10-2011 by blocula because: (no reason given)

There is no "mystery of the frozen mammoths," however much your creationist source may wish there were.

Harte

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by blocula
I also think that there exists still unknown cycles of the sun.Where its radiated energy fluctuates without warning and causes rapid over-heating and rapid over-freezing of the earth.Resulting in ocasional extinctions.

Just like the mystery of the frozen mammoths > www.answersingenesis.org...

edit on 20-10-2011 by blocula because: (no reason given)

There is no "mystery of the frozen mammoths...
Harte

Yes there is.

It seems you have not read the link because it contains the words 'Genesis' in it so anything religious makes you look the other way. Not so smart.

The questions the link proposed were...

Many questions arise as a result of these strange discoveries. Why would the woolly mammoth, bison, woolly rhinoceros, and horse be attracted to Siberia? Today, Siberia is a barren, blizzard-scourged wilderness. How could the animals have endured the extremely cold winters? What would they eat? Where would the beasts locate the prodigious quantities of water they require when the land is imprisoned in snow and ice? Even the rivers are covered with several feet of ice every winter. Most puzzling of all is how did the mammoths and their companions die en masse and how could they have become encased in the permafrost?

www.answersingenesis.org...


Harte, put some more thought into your posts. If you got good information, share it.

These animals must have been almost instantly frozen, because there was food in their stomachs when they died or were killed..."Food that should have been still digesting in their stomach acid, even after death" and this food just suddenly stopped digesting...Really weird...

Not to mention fresh vegetation frozen in their mouths while they were still chewing it!

Something very strange and bizzare happened to those animals and it is all but ignored...What else is new?

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Just to add to your remarks. Besides the typical cultural ups and downs of civilizations some cultures have remained remarkably stable, these were the hunter-gather, nomadic and fishing tribes that were following the same technology level for thousands of years. A few have slowly lost technology (Tasmanians) but most remain stable

Originally posted by Hanslune
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Just to add to your remarks. Besides the typical cultural ups and downs of civilizations some cultures have remained remarkably stable, these were the hunter-gather, nomadic and fishing tribes that were following the same technology level for thousands of years. A few have slowly lost technology (Tasmanians) but most remain stable

As far as i can tell, being nomadic and being stable, are two very different things...

Originally posted by Shadow Herder

Originally posted by Harte

Originally posted by blocula
I also think that there exists still unknown cycles of the sun.Where its radiated energy fluctuates without warning and causes rapid over-heating and rapid over-freezing of the earth.Resulting in ocasional extinctions.

Just like the mystery of the frozen mammoths > www.answersingenesis.org...

edit on 20-10-2011 by blocula because: (no reason given)

There is no "mystery of the frozen mammoths...
Harte

Yes there is.

It seems you have not read the link because it contains the words 'Genesis' in it so anything religious makes you look the other way. Not so smart.

Perhaps you aren't aware of my record posting here.

If you were, I doubt you'd think I haven't looked into this.

Haven't read the link? I have, many times, and over many years (run a search on "Answers in Genesis mammoths" here at ATS to see that this has been posted many times before.)

You want to know some facts?

Here. Read this link.

There is nothing unusual about dead mammoths. Just like there's nothing unusual about dead wildebeests.

Harte

Originally posted by blocula
These animals must have been almost instantly frozen, because there was food in their stomachs when they died or were killed..."Food that should have been still digesting in their stomach acid, even after death" and this food just suddenly stopped digesting...Really weird...

Not to mention fresh vegetation frozen in their mouths while they were still chewing it!

Something very strange and bizzare happened to those animals and it is all but ignored...What else is new?

edit on 21-10-2011 by blocula because: (no reason given)

Nothing weird about it. Food doesn't digest in the "stomach" of an elephant either:

Not much digestion takes place in the stomach, as its main function is storage

Source
If there was actual food in their mouths (I've not read that, I mean, there are scraps of food in your mouth right now too,) then they died with food in their mouth. What's strange about this?

Harte