Those We Call Cavemen Were All That Remained Of Humanity After The Last Time We Destroyed Ourselves

Originally posted by ThePeopleParty

Originally posted by metaldemon2000
You are on the right track.

Atlantis was what the previous civilization was called.

All man made structures would be gone in under 1000 years.

My theory is that our previous civilization peaked during the last ice age when the ocean level was lower. Since the majority of human population resides in ocean side cities the melting of the glaciers would have flooded.them out. There wouldn't have been many inland cities due to the ice age. There has to be some truth to the flood.stories that every ancient.society had.

Interesting that you should say there must be some truth to the flood stories. It got m thinking what could cause a quick rise in sea level so that the old civilizations wouldn't have had chance to move in land as the sea level rose. Is there any evidance for an asteroid hitting the poles? or could a direct hit from a solar flare on the ice caps melt a big area of ice in quick time?

...pole shift...axis tilt caused by a large object passing close to earth...gamma ray burst...massive solar flares

Just wanted to point out that just because a civilization becomes advanced doesn't mean they would walk the same path we are now. There is no certainty they would have invented plastics, as some suggest, or... they may have been much more in tune with nature and their affect on her.

I don't know if the OP is correct but, the argument made repeatedly citing the evidence that should remain is flawed.

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Hi there
Quite possible (and as the matter of fact we know the theory, at least since the Erichs von Daniken first books)
anyway- star and flag

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by scaredlady
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OP, I have tears in my eyes! Finally, someone sees it the way I see it. Cavemen were the remnants of a destroyed empire. Yes. Please give me more of your insight. You have the right idea.

yes the image we have of prehistoric people with shaggy long hair dressed in animal skins and throwing spears at mammoths are actually the survivors of a self inflicted holocaust,struggling to live.and here we are again,standing on the edge of disaster and after the next nuclear war is unleashed,and the poles shift again and another ice age occurs with mountains of frozen snow advancing across the continents crushing everything in their path, all that will be left alive are small bands of people suddenly hurdled back into the stoneage with food,shelter and clothing their only major concerns,not what size television to buy anymore, they will live among wild animals and sit around fires near mountains of ice and tell stories about myths and legends of forgotten worlds and lost ways of life that will just happen to be about the world we are living in right now...its really,really sad.. thats why i said this ^^^

has anyone been reading through these pages^^^?

Originally posted by SirMike
Sorry, but I cannot buy it. Any truly advanced civilization will leave fingerprints on the land that will unmistakable. Although buildings facades may crumble, stone masonry work, foundations, metal implements, radioactive, and synthetics will survive in some recognizable matter for 10,000’s of years.

wrong
First of all: There is a lot of stuff, seemingly too advanced, there in what we get from the ancient civilisations: Baalbek terreases (wchich prpbably came from the period before of that Baal or Apollo temples. Therer is that famous greek machine, a looot of indian stuff, also quite anachronic...
And dont forget about the things premeditely -hidden by the people like that "prof Hawass" from Egypt.
And the structures- probably ancient ruins hidden under-water etc.

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I agree with the premise, but with a slightly different twist.. it wasn't our technology that set us back, but it was the cycle of this planet that keeps resetting things.. the fact that there are pyramids across the planet tell me that there was some type of global community, something we still haven't truly developed.. history is destroyed if it doesn't fall into the preformed idea of how things happened and I believe we will be reset again, soon.

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by area6
This is a very interesting concept. And a very scary one.

1) We have fossils that are hundreds of millions of years old. Surely an intelligent species would have built many things that would have lasted and been found within this time period. Especially if they were around for any length of time. So let's timeframe an intelligent species at pre 1 billion years ago.

2) "Dumb" species such as dinosaurs ruled the planet for 160 million years. We've been here for maybe 50 thousand (with some distinct intelligence), and are very capable of wiping ourselves out.

So we might conclude that intelligence as a survival trait is rare. And perhaps it's rare because in the long term it's not a very successful trait to ensure the survival of a species.

thanx for your comment...the more advanced we become the closer to self destruction we are...as i believe that each of us as individual beings are reincarnated over and over into different lives through the ages,as we are born,grow up,grow old, fall down and die and are reborn again and again...entire civilizations are also reincarnated over and over as well,each time into another era of technologically developing circumstances,they rise up,proclaim their greatness,create supposed wonders to help everyone,impose their iron will upon others and then crumble to the ground...just like what is happening to us here and now because in a little over fifty years we have "advanced" from propellar driven bi-planes to sr 71 black birds,from horse and buggies to nuclear powered aircraft carriers,from fire crackers to hydrogen bombs...the pace of our apocalyptic advance is truly frightening,almost like we are being driven this way,over and over again...

^^^THIS^^^

Interesting topic and views. Something I am not seeing is opinions on how "advanced" our previous tenants of earth were. I have no problem with the idea that man has rose and fell to some extent, but how far they may have rose without anything being left in the geologic record doesnt set well with me. Sure things erode and get erased but assuming everything would be wiped clean is a stretch in my opinion. As I have seen others point out since we do find various plants and animals from the very distant past why is easy to assume that nothing would remain?

If we did rise and fall, personally I dont think think we rose very high up the technological ladder. I just cant seem to find any evidence to support that idea. If someone knows of some evidence that might enlighten me I would be happy to look it over. I have looked at links in the posts here and although some are interesting there was nothing there to support a "highly" advanced race beyond the possibility of being equivalent to say greek and roman times or earlier.

Originally posted by ker2010
I dont know if this has been mentioned or not BUT wouldn't our satellites or some of our space junk survive?
hmmmmm

www.howstuffworks.com...

Originally posted by spw184
Lol, Ive been thinking this for like EVER!!! But my only question is, If cavemen were really just like us after the world completed its cycle ect, ect. Than how come we dont find plastics and other un-compostable materials in the ground? Plastic takes forever to decay, as the only way that it can break down is for it to die out because of halflifes of atoms.

Totally wrong
Why?
first: if we are about of the same moment of selfdestruction. Then them- our ancestors were mostprobably even more advanced, so far more in the business of the "biodegradables", "ecologic" and all that #"@ "

second: before writing with such an authority please check out about the basics- biochemy and phisics
Plastics (even the prevalent, typical hard to recycle/degradate plastics of our time) mostly they degradate because of simple- oxydation (in fact that explain what happened to most of the artifacts of thah imaginary, lost civilisation: they osed them as a fuel for their "cavemen campfires"

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by ker2010
I dont know if this has been mentioned or not BUT wouldn't our satellites or some of our space junk survive?
hmmmmm

www.howstuffworks.com...

askville.amazon.com... not for very long

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by Painterz
"thanx for your comment....and probably 95% of the archeologists that you mention ^^^ are paid by the state or government and their opinions and the evidence they unearth has to meet strict prearranged guide lines or it will be snuffed out.so who knows how long we've really been around... "


I'm sorry, that's absolute nonsense. I'm an archaeologist, a lot of my friends and colleagues are archaeologists. There is not even the slightest 'pre-arranged government guide line' for anything we research or publish.

Everything has to meet the standards of scientific enquiry. (A standard that I might add the likes of Graham Hancock fall well below.) But to imagine there is some great archaeological conspiracy is I am afraid well beyond the bounds of the believable.

There is no conspiracy in archaeology.

you know that zahi guy who runs the egyptian pyramid site,i watched someone ask him if there was any way possible that the pyramids and sphinx might be a lot older then we think they are and his response was...NO!! ABSOLUTELY NOT!!

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Perhas it has. A possible candidate for a satellite would be VG1991, an object observed to be about 50 feet long, metallic, faceted and rotating which was plotted as having a 50 year orbit around Earth and the Sun. Unfortunately no images were captured .
As for space junk, there are some rather low-tech artefacts in Apollo images : for instance AS17-137- 20993/4/5, and AS16-116-18603. Zoom in on the larger versions and spend 10-20 minutes panning around and you will find objects that do not in any way resemble rocks or shadows. My personal theory is that these were not put there by aliens, but by a previous human civilization.

Originally posted by drivers1492
Interesting topic and views. Something I am not seeing is opinions on how "advanced" our previous tenants of earth were. I have no problem with the idea that man has rose and fell to some extent, but how far they may have rose without anything being left in the geologic record doesnt set well with me. Sure things erode and get erased but assuming everything would be wiped clean is a stretch in my opinion. As I have seen others point out since we do find various plants and animals from the very distant past why is easy to assume that nothing would remain?

If we did rise and fall, personally I dont think think we rose very high up the technological ladder. I just cant seem to find any evidence to support that idea. If someone knows of some evidence that might enlighten me I would be happy to look it over. I have looked at links in the posts here and although some are interesting there was nothing there to support a "highly" advanced race beyond the possibility of being equivalent to say greek and roman times or earlier.

global nucler war...a change in the tilt of the earths axis...another ice age dragging mountains of frozen snow across the continents...all these would easily erase what was and those that were able to survive and trying to live through all this,the last thing on their minds would be preserving anything from their past,all their concerns would be focused around,food,shelter and clothing and any memories that were kept of the world that was would be reduced to myths and legends

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i did read a book about ruins in scandinavia That were burnt due to extreme UV rays and radioactive materials, and those Isotopes havent eroted for 13000 years...

Oh Wait! this sounds familiar!

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by ker2010
I dont know if this has been mentioned or not BUT wouldn't our satellites or some of our space junk survive?
hmmmmm

www.howstuffworks.com...

askville.amazon.com...

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I am of the belief that we have, indeed, been around the block several times as far as civilizations go.

That there is no plastic or any other 'man-made' articles is not surprising since we ASSUME that they would use oil, plastics et. It is entirely likely they had another means of making the products they required based on the resources available at that time in history. There is also the possibility they had technology that far eclipsed our own.

As for remnants of previous civilizations being found, I believe that is precisely what the stone tablets, statues et. are for. It's likely they were aware that the few things to survive post apocalypse would be natural materials like stone. So why not create the hieroglyphs/pictographs or whatever other 'language' that, to them, at least, would be obvious and easily deciphered in the future once the rebuilding was completed. (like a picture book for kids... centuries down the road)

It is our own modern day arrogance that makes us believe we have the best ways of doing things and the best technology without ever giving much thought to alternatives. We may end up finding our base assumptions on life, the universe and, everything in between are close but not quite accurate... at which point, everything changes.

Originally posted by Bigfoot73
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Perhas it has. A possible candidate for a satellite would be VG1991, an object observed to be about 50 feet long, metallic, faceted and rotating which was plotted as having a 50 year orbit around Earth and the Sun. Unfortunately no images were captured .
As for space junk, there are some rather low-tech artefacts in Apollo images : for instance AS17-137- 20993/4/5, and AS16-116-18603. Zoom in on the larger versions and spend 10-20 minutes panning around and you will find objects that do not in any way resemble rocks or shadows. My personal theory is that these were not put there by aliens, but by a previous human civilization.

thanx for your comment ^^^ you have hit the nail on the head!

Originally posted by blocula

Originally posted by steveknows

Originally posted by blocula
www.bibliotecapleyades.net... i believe that human civilizations on earth have risen and fallen over and over again down through the ages. these now forgotten civilizations seem erased because of time,erosion,supression of information by the mainstream and the powers that be, who seek delusional refuge in knowing that their people are led astray from the truth and are trained to think and live half asleep. wandering lost in a fallen world of greed and blind denial of the fact that we've done this all before. we reach a point where we cant handle our own technology anymore and we self destruct. we recreate our own monsters again and again,they rise up and destroy their creators. atlantis is a good example of what i am saying and this self inflicted disaster is about to happen to us again.the twentieth century,a century of supposed progress and technological marvel is actually a century of neverending war,genocide and destruction on a scale far worse than all other periods in history combined. we have refined the demented art of killing off nature and eachother. if just five or ten nuclear power plants were to reach critical mass,break open and release their radioactive contents simultaneously,we would be in a horrible situation.the hellish risks that these things pose far outweigh their benefits and they should have never received the green light at all. we are being driven fast,without brakes,down a one way road of apocalyptic destiny that will result in our destruction once again...

What level of technology was reached? keeping in mind the natural resources we've used to reach our current level of technology were sitting at ground level or just below up to only a few hundred years ago and it had taken millions of years for those resources to get there in the first place.

we here and now are so stuck in a paper/metal/plastic mentality that its hard for us to imagine pre iceage civilizations existing without these materials

so very true,we have been so brainwashed by tptb that its hard for us to even think another way never mind coming to terms with the fact that we have destroyed ourselves before and are about to do it again...or i shoud say that "they" those in control,the ones who steer the ship are destroying us again

Just a thought and also a question. What if the axis of the world is changed and subsequently changes it's direction of spin. For arguments sake lets say the axis moves to the plane of the elliptic.

What happens to the oceans?