A news bulletin on CNN declares a large hidden object 4 times the size of Jupiter in the outer reac

Originally posted by XplanetX
You hit the nail on the head.

Economies would crumble and chaos would reign...

Yeah, thank god that's not already happening!

Oh, wait a minute...

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

So..Okay.. They are the same to some..and not to others. Personally, I favor the detailed theories and scenarios which suggest the two are totally separate and independant bodies.

Only charlatans try to blend the 2 together. Nemesis is a name assigned to a hypothetical object. Nibiru on the other hand is a name assigned by Sitchin to his fictional planet. Nemesis is a name from real scientists and Nibiru comes from a fraud. Sitchin simply lied about ancient texts to concoct his hoax of Nibiru. Nemesis is based on a statistical analysis of astronomical data.

Something like Nibiru can be shown to be impossible. First, the orbit is not possible. A highly eccentric orbit entering the orbits of the known planets was shown to be unstable. besides that a planet as large as Jupiter could be detected by current telescopes out to 2100AU. That's over 40x the distance to Pluto. The motions of the planets tell us there is no missing mass in the inner solar system and whole sky surveys show us that there is nothing out there. That makes Nibiru impossible. Nemesis is also impossible since its proposed orbit is so eccentric that it too is not stable.

reply to post by luxordelphi

What about the 27 million year thing mentioned earlier in this thread?

The requirement of Nemesis is of an orbit of that period. It has been shown that such an orbit would not be stable over many revolutions about the Sun. The orbital period would change and not remain at that rate.

That claim has NOT been taken up recently by 2 scientists. Tyche is not Nemesis. The two are not given the same or similar orbital properties.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by JaeBea

 

Because STEREO B is being rolled its observations of the Sun are not interrupted. It's a nice target of opportunity. A chance to learn a bit more about comets.
Have you seen the latest images BTW?


There are animations as well.
stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov...

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AHA!!!! Thought as much. Now they can't hide Niburu/Nemesis anymore, as it shows clearly in that pic.....

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by luxordelphi

 

What about the 27 million year thing mentioned earlier in this thread?

The requirement of Nemesis is of an orbit of that period. It has been shown that such an orbit would not be stable over many revolutions about the Sun. The orbital period would change and not remain at that rate.

That claim has NOT been taken up recently by 2 scientists. Tyche is not Nemesis. The two are not given the same or similar orbital properties.

Pluto's orbit is chaotic. The orbits of Vesta and Ceres are chaotic. Some schools of thought claim that if Pluto's orbit is chaotic, all orbits are chaotic. What is your point? All orbits are chaotic until one knows what causes the seeming chaos. That's why a search for Tyche, Hercolubus etc. etc. is prudent because with each new discovery things that were mysteries are explained.

Somethings coming. The question is what and when.~SheopleNation

reply to post by luxordelphi

The reconfigured mass of Neptune is a load of baloney. Prove me wrong.

I already gave you the specifics, ie Voyager 2 flyby in 1989.

Voyager 2 flyby of Neptune

When Voyager 2 flew-by Neptune, it took very precise measurements of Neptune's mass. Neptune was evaluated at about 0.5 percent less massive than previous estimates — a difference comparable to a planet with the mass of Mars. When the orbits of Uranus and Neptune orbits were recalculated using the more accurate mass figure, it was found that the imprecise number for Neptune — and not the gravity of an unseen planet — caused the orbital discrepancies that had long perplexed planetary astronomers.

And this can be verified here
Croswell, Ken, Planet Quest: The Epic Discovery of Alien Solar Systems (1997), pg. 66

The best measurement of Neptune's mass is not baloney. Was this done before you were born?

reply to post by luxordelphi


What was mentioned earlier is Tyche. It is the replacement for Nemesis created by Matese and Whitmire who also helped create the Nemesis hypothesis. Not even they believe in Nemesis anymore. As for Tyche it stays 25,000 AU away (if it exists) and the only affect it would have on anything is in the orbits of long-period comets. However, there are plenty of more suitable explanations for the orbits of long-period comets and Sedna. Also, I have seen no increase in long-period comets. The only one approaching Earth right now is Elenin, all the other comets have quite small periodicities.

reply to post by luxordelphi

Pluto's orbit is chaotic. The orbits of Vesta and Ceres are chaotic. Some schools of thought claim that if Pluto's orbit is chaotic, all orbits are chaotic. What is your point? All orbits are chaotic until one knows what causes the seeming chaos. That's why a search for Tyche, Hercolubus etc. etc. is prudent because with each new discovery things that were mysteries are explained.

Is there a need to explain these issues with a new planet sized or larger mass in the solar system? No.

That is not to say that there are always searches out there for new objects. That is of interest. Tyche is proposed and so far there is little to go on.

Not all orbits are chaotic. That is simply baloney.

So what was your point?

reply to post by luxordelphi


How can you say its a load of baloney? Voyager II discovered two new moons orbiting it which required a recalculation in mass. This recalculation then explained the perturbations in orbits. I don't see where you're having problems.

reply to post by stereologist


Please don't edit my posts and expect me to respond. I don't do it to you. I quote you in full if I quote you at all. I set up the parameters for the Neptune baloney and you felt it necessary to edit that out of my post. Then you felt it necessary to discredit me by implying I was too young to know anything about Neptune reconfigured. I don't appreciate that either. Stupidity and blindness don't have an age requirement.

Were you there when the ticker on Voyager was coming in? If you weren't, it's just your opinion and your willingness to believe an entity that has discredited themselves by their bizarre Muslim outreach behavior.

Nibiru, here is the proof. I have marked Nibiru on the photo. They are just trying to hide it behind their logo.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a72f870cce1f.jpg[/atsimg]

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by luxordelphi

 

What was mentioned earlier is Tyche. It is the replacement for Nemesis created by Matese and Whitmire who also helped create the Nemesis hypothesis. Not even they believe in Nemesis anymore. As for Tyche it stays 25,000 AU away (if it exists) and the only affect it would have on anything is in the orbits of long-period comets. However, there are plenty of more suitable explanations for the orbits of long-period comets and Sedna. Also, I have seen no increase in long-period comets. The only one approaching Earth right now is Elenin, all the other comets have quite small periodicities.

How soon we forget Hale-Bopp which BTB still doesn't have an orbital period. I'm not against you having an opinion. I just don't agree with it and I'm not going to search the internet right now for all the recent long period comets that started the search in the direction of the Oort Cloud to begin with.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by luxordelphi

 

Pluto's orbit is chaotic. The orbits of Vesta and Ceres are chaotic. Some schools of thought claim that if Pluto's orbit is chaotic, all orbits are chaotic. What is your point? All orbits are chaotic until one knows what causes the seeming chaos. That's why a search for Tyche, Hercolubus etc. etc. is prudent because with each new discovery things that were mysteries are explained.

Is there a need to explain these issues with a new planet sized or larger mass in the solar system? No.

That is not to say that there are always searches out there for new objects. That is of interest. Tyche is proposed and so far there is little to go on.

Not all orbits are chaotic. That is simply baloney.




So what was your point?

Point is that I'm old school. I want something to explain the orbits. Far finer minds than you and I claim chaos. We've had this argument before. Perhaps you'd like to look to elctromagnetic properties to explain some of this? I'm not ready to do that.

reply to post by luxordelphi


Hale-Bopp has an orbital period of about 2530 years. Also, I fail to see what it not having an orbital period would prove. Long-period comets are known to have eccentric orbits so it can become difficult to nail down a stable orbital period, aphelion, and perihelion.

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by luxordelphi

 

How can you say its a load of baloney? Voyager II discovered two new moons orbiting it which required a recalculation in mass. This recalculation then explained the perturbations in orbits. I don't see where you're having problems.

The mass of Pluto because of Charon's mass plunged Pluto's orbit into chaos. You can't have it both ways. It either is or isn't. Recalculations of mass at those distances become a question of faith. I don't have the faith in the system to blindly believe it all anymore. Those days, for me, are gone. Now I question everything and put every source under a microscope.

The title of this thread is misleading in the first place.. it should be "YouTube video claims Nibiru exists!!! *PROOF*"

reply to post by XplanetX


Reports of this come and go every few years. Mainly because there's not yet any real proof and there's a host of gravity anomalies not yet understood.

This is also how the planet Vulcan was thought up.

Do not assume that which we do not fully know or at the least partially to some degree of accreditation.

Originally posted by XplanetX

Originally posted by Xcalibur254
reply to post by XplanetX

 

Presently, as WISE was a NASA mission they have first crack at the data. After that the data will be available to other astronomers. Of course, now you're going to try to claim that's proof of Nibiru/Tyche. Regardless of your preconceptions regarding NASA, the fact remains that out of the entire astronomical community only two scientists are supporting the Tyche hypothesis and those scientists are Matese and Whitmire, the two who came up with the hypothesis. And on top of that even if their hypothesized object exists it would never come closer than 25,000 AU.

This guy is from NASA so he must be telling the truth, right?

Never believe anything in politics until it has been officially
denied.
Otto von Bismarck.


Maybe he has not bumped into this bloke?

Both of these men work for the same agency, one is sending a message to the public, one is sending a different message to the employees of NASA.

edit on 14-8-2011 by XplanetX because: typo

Ok,I was on the fence about planet x,now I'm deleting all of my bookmarks on this subject and never clicking on one of these threads again...boo ya
but he didn't say anything about asteroids or comets,did he?

There is no way they just discovered this

ugh the US gov't...