Something R-Frequency and E-Class this way comes!

It's my opinion that IF he was in the U.S. Navy Space Command, and released even the information that he did, it would be enough to be in serious trouble.. especially hosting online question sessions regarding alleged blackest of the black op missions/technology.

I googled a few of the guys responses to questions and came up with a plethora of other websites also hosting this same threads/debates. I believe I found the original as I was able to follow the conversation per question rather than viewing a compilation of the conversations and my personal census is that it's fake.
We can debate his grammar and how he words his responses.. but what drew me to this conclusion most was the fact that he participated in flaming back at an individual who called his claims B.S.

Here's the website and the thread: www.godlikeproductions.com...

and here's his response:

lol. I don't givet a # if you believe me or not earth bound peon. I'll be hear for about 20 minutes to answer questions and then I'm off. Just trying to be nice because I know there is a lot of buzz about it.

He immediately fixes his mistake in his next post:

here not hear, lol

I personally don't see someone who's supposed to be as sophisticated, responsible, and trustworthy as you would expect someone involved in the blackest of the black op missions/privvy to advanced technology to be upset by the first response who doesn't believe him, or for that matter, participating in online question sessions regarding such.

He also "Believes," he is giving vague responses to particular questions but really they are so blatantly biased to a particular answer that anyone gifted with deciphering a code comparable to that a fifth grader would produce could come to the proper conclusion.. which leads me to believe his mental maturity is lower than the average adult. I don't have studies to back that up - it's just my personal belief.. a good example to look at is his response regarding E-Class Asteroids.

Anyway, time will tell who's right and who's not. One can only speculate either way, at the moment and make their best judgements based on the information presented and research they conduct themselves with as many sources as possible.

Either way, the thread made me think a lot and I learned some cool stuff about Asteroids and other things.

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by shadowland8

 

You're making a faulty connection.

...

FTL travel requires more, a lot more, than any known science can provide.

"Known" science, Phage?! I typically enjoy your wealth of knowledge and highbrow debunking, but c'mon! "Known" science? How would you even define that? At what point did the atomic bomb become "known" science?

If we accept the premise that there is undeniable cause for our gubmints to prevent a great deal of science from becoming "known," it would actually appear that you are not arguing against FTL travel here - "FTL travel requires more...than any known science can provide," but our gubmints, however....

So what would happen if comet Elenin was hit by a huge CME blast from the sun? Could it throw it off the projected orbit?

As I understand it, it will pass to the right of the earth is that correct, so even if that happened it would push it even further away. Or is the comet projected to pass to the left of the earth?

Just interesting speculation as to what could disturb the comets orbit.

Originally posted by masterp

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by masterp

 

Yes.
There is a Naval Space Command. But it isn't involved with space travel.
www.fas.org...

It seems to have evolved into SPAWAR though.
www.public.navy.mil...

edit on 8/15/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Exactly. Let's be realistic for a minute, shall we? this story has all the classic marks of a hoax, as I explained in a previous post.

Phage had just corrected you when you said that there is NO Naval Space Command. There is a Naval Space Command and the website is also provided. Do not move the goal post now. Just admit that you were wrong and that there is indeed a Naval Space Command.

I won't get long winded but Comets can have special 'abilities'. The article cited is about Hale-Bopp but the attributes assigned to it might be applicable to Elenin. Given the fact that Elenin will pass almost directly between the Sun and Earth and given the fact that the 'Energetic Source' will be the high energy particles from the Sun then Earth could get hit with microwave type energy. Not as a focused Beam but nevertheless some same resonance microwave energy. And other types of electromagnetic energy as well. We'll see.
""It is argued that this line did not arise in the comet itself, but came from a background source, probably IRAS 04361+2547, whose radiation had undergone maser amplification in the coma of the comet. ""


iopscience.iop.org...

reply to post by Yukitup

At what point did the atomic bomb become "known" science?

The science behind nuclear weapons was well established by 1941, well before the development of the first bomb.

The development of the weapon used that science. Without the independent and published work of Fermi, Hahn, and others, it could not have been done. No unknown science. Innovative technology to make use of known science.

reply to post by misfitofscience

A little irrelevant, but has anyone seen the plot for the upvoming video game: Rage?

Originally posted by Tom_Proctor

I am not saying Elenin is light years away, I'm just saying that's what the OP said. If you'd like to call me a liar, I'll go ahead and call you mentally handicapped with the inability to learn.

edit on 8/15/2011 by Tom_Proctor because: (no reason given)

Uh, Tom, I am going to use extra spaces here so maybe, if you read really, really slowly, you will grasp what's going on and we can put this to rest once and for all (hold on tight, the things this mentally handicapped person with an inability to learn (and a JD?!?) are going break down for you might make for a bumpy ride!!).

W e ... u d e r s t a n d ... w h a t ... y o u ... a r e ... s t a t i n g. .... I t ... i s ... s t i l l ... a ... l i e.

(before I begin, I have to ask you to please inform me if you are under 15 -- I promise that I will simply edit this entire post out of existence and just ignore you from now on.)

Here's a few of your own quotes for ya:

Also, traveling light years to Elenin when it's not even 1/32 of a light year away?

(page 9)

Sweet Sweet Tom, the OP never claimed he traveled light years to Elenin. Yet, you have repeatedly claimed that he did. Simple mistake (??) -- likely either a failure to read the OP, a failure to grasp the OP, or faulty logic on your part.


Later, still on page 9, you stunningly provide the logic from whence you cleverly deduced that "the OP said he traveled light years to get to Elenin:"

First saying it took 20 minutes to get to Elenin, then saying it's possible to travel light years within 20 minutes.

Sooooo......let's break down your fallacy here (it's called a non-sequitur, as was explained to you earlier): Tom_Proctor has deduced that: 1) If the OP stated that it took 20 actual minutes of flying time to reach Elenin; and 2) if, later on, the OP stated that it was possible to travel light years within 20 minutes; therefore 3) the OP must have traveled light years to get to Elenin in 20 minutes.

Tom, it simply does not follow (get it? non-sequitur?). While I can drive my speedy roadster in excess of 135 mph (miles per hour, Tom), and while it may take me an hour to get to my mother-in-law's for lunch on Sunday, it does not mean that I drove 135 miles to get to my mother-in-law's for lunch on Sunday.


Just warming up, let's keep going: (your last post on page 9):

Anything that goes on GLP, is a fraud, including the owners.

Yikes. "Anything," Tom? Really? You have just insulted a lot of people, Tom, and lied yet again.

On page 10, you retract the clearly erroneous statement made at the bottom of page 9 with this gem:

Let me rephrase, 99% of GLP is a fraud, especially trinity and the other owners. The only good stuff on GLP is the weather prediction guy. It's basically where the stupid non-intelligent group of the internet hangs out.

If I am understanding you correctly, you are positing that all the "stupid non-intelligent group of the internet hangs out" at GLP (redundant much?). Now Tom, according to you I am a "mentally handicapped person with an inability to learn." I believe that this would likely qualify me as either "stupid" and/or "non-intelligent." Yet, I do not hang out at GLP. Ever. Therefore, sounds like another lie. (OK, I gotta ask -- just can't resist --- if only "stupid non-intelligent groups of the internet hang out" at GLP, why were you there??!!!)

(Tom, again - seriously - if you're under 15, please let me know and I'll be glad to remove this long post and simply ignore you.)

Here's another beauty that you provided on page 10:

I explained it, I'm not sure why it's not getting into your brain. "If it's possible to travel light years in 20 minutes" 20 minutes = light years 20 minutes to get to Elenin = light years

Please excuse me, Sweet Sweet Tom, but I feel that I need to raise my voice here for you: YOU CLAIMED THE OP STATED HE TRAVELED LIGHT YEARS TO GET TO ELENIN. THE OP DID NOT STATE THAT. YOUR CLAIM WAS WRONG AND BASED UPON YOUR OWN FAULTY LOGIC. (as clearly demonstrated in that post of yours located just above my shouting...).

And if you're really going to make me break down the obvious here, Tom? Did the OP ever state how fast HE was traveling on his (alleged) way to Elenin? Nope. Did he state that he traveled light years to Elenin? Nope. Please, stop with the nonsense already.

Page 11, Dear Tom, you state:

I just explained my reasoning. It was just simple math....

...I am banned from GLP..

The "simple math" vs lies based upon fallacious reasoning? Just because the OP uses "20 minutes" twice DOES NOT IMPLY A COROLLARY. As humorous as your using the "simple math" euphemism is, it's not NEARLY as rich as you stating that you got BANNED from a place that you yourself have called "where the stupid non-intelligent group of the internet hangs out." See where I'm going here, Tom?

Ever hear of the Peter Principle?

Amazingly, you still insist on page 11 that:

I'm just quoting the original from the OP on ATS. It's a simple equation there.

No, you're not. You're making up quotes and attempting to defend your fallacious reasoning.

On page 12, you smugly respond to freepatriot's exasperation over your "mis-quoting" as follows:

This is ATS. I don't visit GLP, therefore I have no prior knowledge other than what the OP posted here on ATS.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and state that I am willing to bet a delicious ham sandwich (with pickles) that you have some prior (pre-ban) knowledge about GLP... Regardless, the OP re-posted from GLP thereby making your point moot.

Thanks for the fun, Tom_Proctor. Now, let's put the fallacies and blanket insults aside and behind us, and focus on what the OP has actually provided...

Originally posted by Phage
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The science behind nuclear weapons was well established by 1941, well before the development of the first bomb.

The development of the weapon used that science. Without the independent and published work of Fermi, Hahn, and others, it could not have been done. No unknown science. Innovative technology to make use of known science.

edit on 8/15/2011 by Phage because: (no reason given)

Clever, and slippery - I gave you a star.

Did I miss your definition of "known science"?

reply to post by Yukitup

Nothing clever. Just pointing out that your example, like the example of stealth technology, does not support the idea of secret science.

The term is self explanatory. Science is a process which involves and requires the widespread dissemination of information. Known science is the scientific knowledge base.

Technology which evolves from that knowledge base is another matter but it does not exceed that base.

reply to post by Phage


[color=ECD872]So what you are saying, if I can break this down into simple understanding, is that science generally evolves on the combined experience of all in accordance to it? To rephrase the question; If so-called secret scientist know this information, then all scientist do as well?

[color=ECD872]Edited to add that your edit to add answered my question, thanks!

reply to post by Phage


I love it -- but I don't think I can adequately respond without understanding what you mean by secret science.

I would argue that the science required to build an atomic bomb was (and still largely is) very secret, despite it having been built upon the premises of published works.

Would Tesla's work be considered known or secret science? (provided we were able to agree that at least some of his technological advancements were valid... they were clearly valid enough for JP Morgan, who pulled the funding for the "tower of power" because he questioned how he could charge consumers for the end product...)

Would the work being done by ROC be considered secret or known science?

I'll look forward to jumping back in tomorrow when I can shake free, Phage - always a pleasure. (If we start digging into HE3 reactors / mining / mining history, or torsion fields -- I'll never get to sleep!)

reply to post by Yukitup

Tesla was an engineer, a very good one, but some of his scientific notions were seriously flawed. He did nothing that exceeded the known science of his day and he certainly made no secret of his technology.

reply to post by Phage


Interesting concept about Tesla.

Tesla's "tower of power" is nothing more than a gigantic leyden jar, with the earth acting as the jar full of the source of negative energy and the atmosphere acting as the source of positive energy.

By putting a massive capacitor between the two and controlling the pumping of the release of the gathering energy from the two sources, he would easily have been able to transmit out free energy over the power lines.

To bad he wasn't able to complete that wonderful endevour.

I have knowledge of secret sciences. Not the kind this thread is about, but I suspect that there is secret science out there that this thread started from.

i read read read as much as i could and then had to take a nap from reading so much new info that i had never been enlightened to. I for one had never once even imagined an ancient society leaving space trash behind. will be spending some time reading more about these class "E" objects.

reply to post by Yukitup


Haha, bravo, brilliant.

Now, we need another HAM operator because I think Tom might be done for.

[font=courier][color=FF9600]Phage, I am glad you are on here to help balance the information with mainstream fact; although it destroyed my little sci-fi fantasy bubble, not quite, anyway. Perhaps someone read that Steins Encounter article and ran with the story. It certainly makes for a good intro to a sci-fi novel.

And perhaps it is just that, sci-fi. But I’m willing to explore it a bit more.[/font]

reply to post by Yukitup


"for JP Morgan, who pulled the funding for the "tower of power"
Actually it was Westinghouse,, the Arch rival of Edison,,
but when Tesla damn near blew up a sizable chunk of Russian Forest,,
and all the rest,,, the Military said,,
lock it down.

Just thought id through that in there.

reply to post by wastedown


Edited to thank ATS mod...I had incorrectly quoted a previous post on this thread without listing a link...I am not to savy with puters, and did a simple cut & paste without providing the link. I was advised to make the changes and post the link... When I found my origonal post to make the corrections as advised, i found my post already edited by the Mod... I am only posting this edit to thank our ATS Mods for always being on top of things, it helps everyone if we all know the rules, it makes the thread more polished and easier to read and do further research if links are readly avaliable... So thank you again Mod for helping me to stay on track, and make every one of my posts count.

Well, thank you guys. You've all really helped.

You see, I've been watching the threads, and I'm noticing a pattern. For a lot of threads, they go on for ages and ages, with people discussing stuff and quite often being completely wrong, but other threads, like this thread, just end up with the same old faces all screaming the same rhetoric that "my text book says it's wrong so it must be" (or in this case, Wikipedia). They're the threads I take note of. I always pay special interest to the threads where Phage pokes his distorted facts, he does a valiant job, but I'm afraid in this case your arguement is flopping on this notion of "known science". Really, honestly, considering all that you've read, on this site and beyond, you've ruled out the notion that certain scientific discoveries are protected, hidden, entire secret societies built up around them to keep the knowledge safe from abuse and out of the public eye? You think that advanced technologies cannot exist because you don't know about them? I do hope they pay you per post and it's not just a monthly rate.

When it turns into this mad rush of what "cannot" be true, I know people are trying to kick dirt over the subject, muddy the waters.

So, would anybody like to discuss how we would go about proving or disproving this idea that Elenin may not be a comet, and may infact be broadcasting some kind of signal that contains information regarding our planet's history, or shall we continue with another dozen pages of people bickering?