Dozens of teens detained after Philadelphia's earlier curfew

Originally posted by BohemianBrim
reply to post by Heartisblack

 

im fairly positive they wont arrest anyone for having a job.

but thats a good illustration for my point. kids dont have much common sense.

trust me, you dont always realize whats best for you.

(hormones)

Okay, I'm a person with agoraphobia I never leave my house. You don't have to worry, besides when you don't live in ghetto you can pretty much get away with murder.

reply to post by Salamandy


none of what you said made sense to me, so i have to question it.

if you truly understood then you wouldnt have a problem with it.
you would understand that the cops are doing this because they have to, because some really bad parents of some really dangerous kids, are letting them run wild and cause trouble in flash mobs.
and you would hopefully worry about your kid getting involved with or hurt by a bunch of thugs.

the cops arent taking care of the kids, theyre taking care of a problem a bunch of bad parents are the cause of.

from your comments i KNOW youre not a parent, or even an adult.
you cant smoke, you cant drink, you cant go outside in the dark.

deal with it.

Originally posted by Stella Lotus

Originally posted by BohemianBrim
lots of kids in this thread.

as an adult i have no problem with this.

hell when i was a kid my parents gave me a curfew, and because of it i wasnt out all night drinking and doing stupid crap i didnt need to be doing. my friends who didnt have to go home at night, all ended up really messed up, pregnant, living in trailer parks, paralyzed from the waist down, or dead. i graduated college, they had 5 kids before they were 25.

lol, honestly. if you think freedom equals the freedom to be an out of control moron when youre young, well i just have to disagree. this freedom didnt even exist back in the day, its just some new liberal experiment that failed.

when the sun goes down, why not actually go someplace? like a friends house or something? or some place the cops wont find you? thats what all the kids did when society cared about how they turned out.

my advice would be to get used to it, soon youll be an adult like me and it wont matter anymore.

edit on 13-8-2011 by BohemianBrim because: (no reason given)

With all due respect, the thread has nothing to do with the notion that freedom equals the freedom to be an out of control ass but I can see how you would twist that in. ;^) It's so easy to. Plus it makes for a great debate.

By the way you are free to make an ass out of your self. You know that right? You do realize that you were born with that reality.

To try and make other members feel unimportant by declaring that there must be kids here as if there voice is not valid is lame in my book.

What if there are kids here?

So let me get this straight.... You are saying, because freedom has now allowed kids to be morons, freedom should now be taken away...just a little bit right? Just a little here and there.

Or is it about right and wrong? Well we know it's really the parents job, right?..But we also realize that that's not working out so well right?..so. We can probably brain storm some ideas..ie .enforce laws that exist, social programs..etc. You see I'm all about getting trouble off the street but to punish innocent people is much more...moronic.

three words
type them into google

"Philadelphia flash mobs"

I grew up in Philadelphia. You can expect many more arrest of teenagers if they intend to enforce a 9pm curfew on a Friday night.

Detain them hell, lock them up until their parents pay the fine and then release them, 3rd offense send the parents to jail as well. This PC crap is out of hand, deal with your children, if you can't it's gonna cost you. We see what the result of the progressive agenda has been on the youth, it's time to rein them in.

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
Detain them hell, lock them up until their parents pay the fine and then release them, 3rd offense send the parents to jail as well. This PC crap is out of hand, deal with your children, if you can't it's gonna cost you. We see what the result of the progressive agenda has been on the youth, it's time to rein them in.

see I agree with that.
I just know you don't need a curfew to do that.

I live in a far more rural area than a city. (Don't get me wrong, this ain't that rural.) And we have a at-risk school or two in the area, and I know some of the teachers. From what I'm hearing from teachers, the parents are terrified of their children, can't control them at home, and ask for police help on a consistent basis. Teachers call in the parents for conferences, and nothing gets done, although the parents show up and honestly agree with the teachers. This is in a controlled environment, not out running the streets.

The time for controlling those children was when they were 6 and younger. So yes, it's the parents fault. But the time they are in their teens? It's too late for the parents to regain cotrol without lots of Big Brother help.


My thing is, if you're too young to vote or be called to war, you're too young to have a say--just like I think it's crap that when you are old enough to die for your country, you aren't allowed to drink.

As for mobs: Take the highest IQ in the crowd, divide it by the number of people, and you've got the intelligence level of the actions involved. Explains Congress, too.

The worst thing is that these kids will be conditioned to think a curfew is normal.

In the future, they will probably not complain when the curfew is extended to adults too.

The city of Big Brother-ly Love. Kinda reminds me of that movie, V is for Vendetta. You know, it's for our own, good...

Originally posted by BohemianBrim
lots of kids in this thread.

as an adult i have no problem with this.

hell when i was a kid my parents gave me a curfew, and because of it i wasnt out all night drinking and doing stupid crap i didnt need to be doing. my friends who didnt have to go home at night, all ended up really messed up, pregnant, living in trailer parks, paralyzed from the waist down, or dead. i graduated college, they had 5 kids before they were 25.

lol, honestly. if you think freedom equals the freedom to be an out of control moron when youre young, well i just have to disagree. this freedom didnt even exist back in the day, its just some new liberal experiment that failed.

when the sun goes down, why not actually go someplace? like a friends house or something? or some place the cops wont find you? thats what all the kids did when society cared about how they turned out.

my advice would be to get used to it, soon youll be an adult like me and it wont matter anymore.

edit on 13-8-2011 by BohemianBrim because: (no reason given)

I strongly suggest that you read Farenheit 911 and hopefully see how much you're just eating propaganda out of the totalitarians' hands and then regurgitating it proudly to aid in the quest for control. I mean, who needs paid hounds to control when you can brainwash people into believing it's okay to control every aspect of eachothers' lives.

reply to post by ChaoticOrder


Curfews have been in place for years. When I was a kid, we had them here in Indiana and we still do. This curfew in Philadelphia is working. If you are an adult no curfew is keeping you home bound. This is for children, and teens. It is for the protection of all, in lieu of the mobs popping up.

reply to post by N34Li3Z


It is for your own good. What don't you understand? There is no reason for unattended teens to be out after 9:00p.m., especially in lieu of the mobs and the physical attacks.

reply to post by NuclearPaul


It is normal. I am shocked that people don't realize that curfews have been around for decades. Mostly, they have not been enforced, but are on the books. I live in Indiana. Curfews are alive and well here.

reply to post by CynicalDrivel


Thank you, thank you. I, too, am a teacher. What your teacher friends tell you is true.

reply to post by NuclearPaul


They're already conditioned to wearing uniforms and working to and from a bell in large groups. Oh, and to regurgitiate information without learning critical thinking skillls. " OMG curfew's so rediculous!" Please, your whole childhood's been leading up to the same crap. You want no curfew? Change the way the whole system works.

In conclusion, it is clear that the World Elite's systematic dissolution of common society is already in progress, these isolated cases of poverty, lack of education and quality of life are the very fabric of the cultural disaster going on today. The some what forgotten factor here is that this progressive collapse of society is being completely orchestrated to the most minute detail. What is going on here in Philadelphia is apart of the very same seed cell of deception that went on in the UK this past week. Riots, Flash Mobs and Violent Attacks are the very substance that feeds the need for social change. It is not just the initial action that leads to their pre planned solution, but the reaction of the public.

"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it yourself" - V.I. Lenin

It is this type of social break down that will create the very structure for what we will come to know as the "New World Order." It should be known, well across the board that the totalitarian displays we are witnessing today and the days ahead are not of "The New World Order' in a technical sense, but are actually of the 'Old World Order.' The very basis to the ideology behind "Order Out Of Chaos" is to sway the revolution in your favor. This is exactly what the powers that be are doing by creating this social break down. Their goal is to deceive the public, and convince them that the 'old system' is the reason why society has so many problems. The deceptive coercion of the troubled masses is the very basis of the power's that be and their ancient gospel.

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I'm from the UK and have just went through our own little period of unrest. What gets me is it all seems quite obvious what the problems are. Loads of poor people that have diminished social values due to the way they have had to live their lives (unemployement is high so who doesn't have jobs, the poorest=the least educated).

These values are passed on to children. Education can't combat this as what areas get the least funding, the poorest. So you create an underclass. Not working class but an underclass, a class of people who's life experience tells them the only way they can get the high street nik-naks we all desire is to break the law. Yet some break the mold and create good lives for themselves. These are the exceptional ones who would do great things if born to a different class.

The high percentage have no chance of escaping without help. It impossible to think a family of 4 that are reliant on social housing and benefits can get jobs that earn enough to pay rent, food, utilities etc in this current climate. They are trapped. The kids you talk about, be it in UK or US, are begining to realise that the crappy upbringing they had is easy street compared to the future portrayed in the media.

I'm going on a bit. This is not a problem about kids or a section of society. Its a problem about society as a whole. The answer. Errr, I will get back to you on that

Doesnt this break any rules of the american constitution? Oh wait, you dont have one of them anymore

But seriously, this is bad news. If kids grow up with curfews enforced by the police it'll seem normal when they're in there 40's to be told they cant go out :S

As a Philly resident, I remember the first flash mob attack several weeks back, and thinking what a strange thing. Then it happened again. And again. Footage of victims became more difficult to stomach. This wasn't looting storefronts - these were unarmed, yet vicious attacks because of the sheer number of assailants.

I thought months ahead of how these continued attacks could affect my city's commerce. I wondered what I'd do if I realized I was about to get jumped by nine 14-year-olds. Would I panic because of not wanting to hurt a child, or would I reach for my firearm to instinctively protect myself from getting my jaw and several ribs broken? Would I feel better lying in the hospital knowing that at least I didn't fire my gun into the group of children who see nothing more than a white piece of uselessness? Would police districts lose funding as city sales tax revenue plummeted due to the decrease in tourism? Could this somehow begin a downward spiral?

Why doesn't it seem like these flipping parents care at all about where their children are, and who they're with, and when they're expected home? Especially since they know they've released children without one iota of respect for themselves, their neighbors, teachers, and ulitmately, strangers, into a world where the rest of us manage to go about our daily business without inciting violence? How do we teach so many parents that their job is more important than anything they'll ever do, because if done incorrectly, or negligently, they will release an intelligent weapon, capable of deceit and damage, into the world.

Thank you Mayor Nutter. Thank you so damn much for taking care of so many children when their parents refused to take care of them. And thank you for doing what you could to prevent me from having to decide between pulling a gun in a crowd of children and lying in a hospital bed wondering if my idealistic non-violence was really worth it as I sipped another pot roast through a straw.

I understand the concern of a police state, curfew extension beyond the under-18 set, and the morbid atrocities that could follow, if unchecked. But also imagine how you would react when seeing 18 boys ranging from 11 to 17 years old running toward you as they scream "Kill that white *&$%^". You just may be wishing that those parents cared about all those kids who are about to end your life as you know it. Because nobody is the same after a violent attack.

Originally posted by TheOrangeBrood

Originally posted by BohemianBrim
lots of kids in this thread.

as an adult i have no problem with this.

hell when i was a kid my parents gave me a curfew, and because of it i wasnt out all night drinking and doing stupid crap i didnt need to be doing. my friends who didnt have to go home at night, all ended up really messed up, pregnant, living in trailer parks, paralyzed from the waist down, or dead. i graduated college, they had 5 kids before they were 25.

lol, honestly. if you think freedom equals the freedom to be an out of control moron when youre young, well i just have to disagree. this freedom didnt even exist back in the day, its just some new liberal experiment that failed.

when the sun goes down, why not actually go someplace? like a friends house or something? or some place the cops wont find you? thats what all the kids did when society cared about how they turned out.

my advice would be to get used to it, soon youll be an adult like me and it wont matter anymore.

edit on 13-8-2011 by BohemianBrim because: (no reason given)

I strongly suggest that you read Farenheit 911 and hopefully see how much you're just eating propaganda out of the totalitarians' hands and then regurgitating it proudly to aid in the quest for control. I mean, who needs paid hounds to control when you can brainwash people into believing it's okay to control every aspect of eachothers' lives.

i am not an anarchist. i dont believe in the freedom to terrorize peaceful people.
if these kids had ANY HONEST OR TRUE intentions, that would be something else entirely.
this is not a protest, this is a parade of ignorance and antagonism.

you need to learn something, just because people have the god given right to be angry and the god given right to stand up for themselves.. THEY DO NOT HAVE ANY RIGHT TO LOSE CONTROL OF THEMSELVES.

this is a problem with society, and this mayor is trying to fix it the best he can.

your paranoia and conspiracy crazed brain is blinding you to the simple truths.