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Originally posted by louieprima
Louisiana resident here. Yes, BP was negligent and should have been taken more to task for their crimes. Ditto Halliburton. However, the best thing that can happen for the Gulf Coast communities right now is for the Obama admin to actually allow drilling to begin again on a scale previous to the spill. Just enforce the existing safety regs. If that were done in 2010, the spill never would've happened, Obama wouldn't have talked a tough game while allowing BP to tell him exactly what they were going to do. Big talk in the press, asking how high he should jump in reality.
Is there likely a good bunch of oil on the bottom of the Gulf close to the well and still remnants elsewhere? Yes, it's a shame, but fishing is coming back and Gulf seafood is the most tested food anywhere on the planet. We need the oil industry back in full force down here. Not just for our local economy, but for our national sovereignty.
While it is appreciated, a bunch of Yankee liberals and hippies with body paint drumming and chanting isn't going to do much for anyone but the egos of self possessed "do gooders."
We need the platforms back in action.
Peace
Originally posted by Perplexedandconfused
Originally posted by louieprima
Louisiana resident here. Yes, BP was negligent and should have been taken more to task for their crimes. Ditto Halliburton. However, the best thing that can happen for the Gulf Coast communities right now is for the Obama admin to actually allow drilling to begin again on a scale previous to the spill. Just enforce the existing safety regs. If that were done in 2010, the spill never would've happened, Obama wouldn't have talked a tough game while allowing BP to tell him exactly what they were going to do. Big talk in the press, asking how high he should jump in reality.
Is there likely a good bunch of oil on the bottom of the Gulf close to the well and still remnants elsewhere? Yes, it's a shame, but fishing is coming back and Gulf seafood is the most tested food anywhere on the planet. We need the oil industry back in full force down here. Not just for our local economy, but for our national sovereignty.
While it is appreciated, a bunch of Yankee liberals and hippies with body paint drumming and chanting isn't going to do much for anyone but the egos of self possessed "do gooders."
We need the platforms back in action.
Peace
The rig count in the US is up over 327 rigs from July of 2010. However many deepwater rigs left the US shores and went overseas.
I have heard of many stories of how the unemployment rate would increase due to the moretorium and spill but have yet to find statistics proving this.
I have found this article which includes unemployment numbers:
democrat2democrat.blogspot.com...
and this article which talks of 2 wealthy men who contributed well to Bobby Jindal and the moratorium connection:
I am 200% behind enforcing regs. Had this been done previously this mess may not have happened.
I have had Gulf coast fishermen personally tell me not to eat the seafood from the gulf. Do you have links to independent testing that wasn't paid for by BP (Big Polluter)?
My understanding of the people at the protest was that they were from Louisiana, Mississippi and Florida. Where did you get "a bunch of Yankee liberals and hippies with body paint drumming and chanting" from?
Thanks for your input and discussion.
edit on 11-8-2011 by Perplexedandconfused because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by louieprima
I don't have to look up statistics. The deep oil rigs are the future and where the bulk of the real oil economy is nowadays. The jobs lost to the moratorium have been devastating to the coastal communities (paired with the fisherman's woes, of course). I don't have a link, but I can tell you from personal experience that many people have either left the state for Texas or have struggled to find new work. It is not just the rig workers. The rigs supported helicopter companies, restaurants, grocery stores, clothing outlets, bars, and, ironically I guess, the recreational fishing industry (oil rigs create awesome artificial reefs for marine life including red snapper, lemon fish, trout, etc).
I do not doubt that Jindal has plenty of oil money going toward his campaign coffers. So do Mary Landrieu, David Vitter, Cedric Richmond, Steve Scalise, and every other Republican and Democrat in the federal, state, and local government in the gulf region. I'd bet most politicians in Iowa and Illinois take corn money and support ethanol subsidies. That industry also supports thousands of families up in those parts.
I find it hard to believe that a fisherman told you to stop eating fish. That's like a the local baker telling you to watch your carbs.
That being said, the FDA, EPA, and NOAA have been involved in seafood testing. I agree that they may not be the most trustworthy sources. However, while very hesitant to start eating my staple seafood again, I slowly began and am almost back to my old eating habits (oyster prices make them cost prohibitive to eat frequently).
Most people I know have too, and like me, have shown no symptoms of "Gulf Oil disease".
I have heard of some of the cleanup workers getting sick and not being compensated.
Please do not mistake my calm or rejection of alarmism for complacency. I vehemently hate BP for what they did to my state. We were almost over Katrina, the Saints had just won the SuperBowl, everything was looking up and then those d-bags go and oil the Gulf. I feel they were not properly punished and the federal response was at best a joke. Despite favoritism toward oil companies in the past, Bobby Jindal and other local leaders did much more to protect our wetlands than the BP controlled NOAA or Coast Guard.
I'm not sure how familiar you are with Louisiana, Mississippi, or the Florida Panhandle but those folks were obviously not natives of the area. Perhaps they are transplants to New Orleans.
And my input is not meant as a protest against your general anger toward BP. I just wanted to bring a local perspective and some balance to the debate. Oil is a major producer for the state. Most oil companies do a good job. BP has a decades long track record of pitiful safety breaches. We should enforce safety on the oil industry and punish them harshly for non compliance but we shouldnt throw the baby out with the bathwater.
As of Tuesday, BOEMRE had signed-off on 11 new and 32 revised deepwater exploration plans, and eight new and 11 revised deepwater development plans, since June 2010, Bromwich wrote. Thirty-five of those deepwater exploration plans and three of the development plans were approved following site-specific environmental assessments, he wrote.
Also speaking at the teach-in was Dr. Mike Robichaux, a Raceland-based physician and former Louisiana state senator, who said “I’m seeing people really sick from the spill, with headaches, abdominal cramps, fatigue and memory loss.” He likened those ailments to the Gulf War Syndrome, and said few veterans who suffered serious symptoms from that 1991 conflict in Iraq and Kuwait have recovered.
Originally posted by louieprima
I don't believe there is no truth at all to it. Just that it is obviously overblown by alarmists. The very worst thing that can be done is to discourage more drilling out there. It is Louisiana's only chance to get from under the thumb of the federal government. If someone is legitimately sick from the oil/corexit, they should be compensated. There are dead animals all the time due to different reasons, mostly naturally occurring ones. There is a good chance the oil/corexit has an occasional effect. There are certainly still affected areas here and there.
My issue is that posters such as yourself portray the Gulf as to be a dead zone flled with chemicals, oil and dead animals. You are like the media when they cover Hurricanes and shoot video of areas outside the levee system and portray that as the greater reality for New Orleans. It is fake, alarmist hype.
Again, do I believe some poster on ATS and his obviously propagandistic links or do I believe my own dang eyes, nose, ears, and taste buds?
I know people from Raceland and have yet to hear any similar stories. It aint that big a town.
Bit of a no brainer, I'm afraid. Going fishing this weekend weather permitting. And will hopefully continue to do so continuously until winter. I bet you a million dollars I will still be here a year from now, posting on ATS, healthy and (hopefully) happy.
Hopefully the trout are running this weekend.
Originally posted by i8miceb4
Such a travesty. I find it mind boggling that BP has yet to pay any medical for the people left behind to clean up their mess. Unfortunately it's a disaster that will have a significant impact for years to come. My heart goes out to all people and wildlife who have paid the price for corporate greed.
Originally posted by BobAthome
has anyone checked into the " orange goo " use ATS search,,
it was airborn,, clouds,,
lot of that chemical, is airborne,,
they can't figure out why
it has a ,,genetic make up,,, not identified before,,
and there are millions of eggs,,
bio-molecular-chemistry.?
edit on 16-8-2011 by BobAthome because: (no reason given)
(Special from Facing South) – Before President Obama appointed him to administer the $20 billion compensation fund for the 2010 BP oil disaster, Kenneth Feinberg ran two other disaster-related funds. One was for Vietnam veterans sickened by exposure to the toxic herbicide Agent Orange. The other was for victims of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, including those made ill by pollution from the collapse and burning of the Twin Towers.
and now he is....what a surprise!
Feinberg didn’t require medical proof of causation—