THE IOWA GOP DEBATE- Your reactions ATS?! *LIVE*

reply to post by David9176


This is exactly why the GOP should vote him to run, because he has the best chance of beating Obama. Ron Paul is the only GOP candidate that will convert a significant amount of the liberal vote.

Originally posted by saabacura
one thing about ron paul.

I wonder if he is a controlled opposition.

Anyhow, want he wants to do may be too radical....

People are not going to like that. It may be too real. and too painful.?

Which is just what we need.

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reply to post by David9176


I decided to update the calculations since almost everyone is done with the poll at nearly 2am.

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As before, Dark Red = Strong Paul, Dark Blue = Weak Paul.

No I did not read any of the comments of Fox News, I would not waste my time listening to those types of people anyway.

Missed the debate but hearing all this and seeing how the HUGE majority of the USA is green for Paul made my year.

I am 38. NEVER gave a bull about politics ever. Never voted, never cared. Then 08, Paul came around. I became a precinct leader for my area for him and was going to go on even farther than that if he would have remained running. I too was pissed how the news cut him off, ignored him and so on. I TOLD everyone that if he didn't win, no matter WHO got the presidency, the next time around if Paul ran, PEOPLE WOULD PAY ATTENTION.

And look now. Almost the entire USA is green for Paul.
www.topix.com...

You can not get any more awesome than that. Out of the starting gate, sure, but if we all pitch in like we did in 08, help fund his campaign like we did then - and NO other runner made as much in a few hours as Ron did; can't recall the exact amount but it was close to what? 500,000 dollars in less than a day????? - but if he has that support, backing and so on again, he WILL win this time around. He won't be silenced like he was last time. People are sickened. They ARE listening to him now. I knew they would. People, look into being a precinct leader for him; go on his website and sign up. Start telling people about Ron and the good he will do for this country. Get his name and ideals known to those who may not know of him. This is the change we need and deserve. He knows it. We know it. Let's not have a repeat of the 08 fiasco when he dropped. NOT AGAIN.

RON PAUL '12!!!

Originally posted by saabacura
For some reason,
I really like Newt Gingrich.
I can't be 100% sure but he is the type of person that is intuitive and naturally will know what to do.
But one thing that I am scared of.
I feel like he is going to start another war or something....

Ron Paul really does seem to be the only option if you want to get out of these wars and the way that he descibes doing it is absolutely beautiful. We walked into war and we can walk right back out of war.

reply to post by ltinycdancerg


I didn't even watch it so I'll just read responses.

Wow, Santorum and Pawlenty came out of this looking like complete douches, Romney stayed neutral (even with his glaring flaws), Bachmann and Cain are unqualified and clueless, and Newt had some good ideas, but stole some quotes right out of Ron Paul's public record.

Ron Paul stayed true to his views and explained them eloquently and concise, and even had a bit more fire in his belly than usual. You can tell he is all in this time around.

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No need to say anymore... A picture is worth thousand(s) of words (votes)...
Beware Debold voting machines! Use paper and mark clearly and wisely.

reply to post by sarra1833

It gets even better... Look closely at the votes AND the date!!! This is not fake!

08/11/11 and there are 11110 votes for Ron Paul.

Perhaps this is a sign! 11.11 means something but I don't recall ... it must be something great because Ron Paul is involved in this one! I know he's not Jesus but he's damn smart and an inspiration.

(if you lack a sense of humor, it's your own issue.)



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www.examiner.com...

I, too, was much more impressed with Pawlenty's attacks on Obama and Bachmann. Looking at the results of the poll posted in this thread, it makes one wonder if many of those persons even watched the debate.

reply to post by DrMattMaddix


Notice something about that map? Ron Paul basically has no city-wide competition in the Northeast. Other parts of the country have several cities going for other candidates but the Northeast is almost completely for Ron Paul. Amazing.

Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by desert

 

No, no, David, the corporate money does go to people. In 1960, it went like this...$1 for you, $40 for me, another $1 for you, another $40 for me, etc. Now it's more like like this ...$1 for you, $400 for me, another $1 for you, another $400 for me, etc. So said the CEO to the employee.

You got that right!

I officially think Romney is done...."corporations are people"...that quote is going to kill his chances.

And many of the the other things in the vid Janky posted will hurt him as well....everyone knows what he said is stinks like burning dog poo.

Ya I mean he let his pompous, entitled self show through... that attitude was really icky, corporate elite, I need hand sanitizer, after I enter the same room as you puffery. Ugly... he is out, I'll bet anyone big money

it is this bad

Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by DrMattMaddix

 

Notice something about that map? Ron Paul basically has no city-wide competition in the Northeast. Other parts of the country have several cities going for other candidates but the Northeast is almost completely for Ron Paul. Amazing.

Ron Paul has a problem, I think his problem is that he cuts too many interests out of the loop... Who knows
what happens behind the scenes, but I think it will translate poorly to his performance in the race. I hope
not, but that is what I saw on that stage, he will roll over are too many dependent forces, he is a liability
for the GOP's donors

reply to post by Misoir



So according to your work, Ron Paul is not as appealing to the GOP used to be DEM Republicans of the oldish south. He seems to appeal to the NE base, makes sense I guess. Nice work there Mis

"Who won the debate" poll on that first website (foxnation was it?), Ron Paul won with 56%, totally dwarfing all the others, yay!

I want to punch Santwhoreum in the mouth
2nd

Im not even a American. But I saw a bit of the debate before. My god. You guys all know now that Paul has massive support. So if he does not win, then you know they have fiddled the votes. AGAIN. I also saw a article on CNN, where they didnt even mention Ron Paul. Anyone would think he wasnt even there.
Now if I was a American. I would get out there and talk to everyone I could about Ron Paul and his great policies. Dont let this one chance for saving your great country slip away. GO RON PAUL.

well, my reactions.

First... With the exception of paul and Gingrich, all of them are campaigning on not being Barack Obama. The Republicans tried this strategy in 2008, when all of their platforms were "I'm not Hillary Clinton." It failed miserably for them, even before the Democratic primaries showed it wasn't going to be Clinton. it's going to fail for them here, as well. Gingrich or Paul will thus likely be the last man standing - and the way the Republicans work, Gingrich will be the one to "win." Romney will try to buy is way in - again - and fail miserably - again.

All of the candidates advocate the same idiot policies that got us into this mess, economically speaking. All eight, straight down the line, "reward the rich, punish the poor." At least three of them support reducing the capital gains tax to 0%. Cain advocates passing laws that permanently freeze the top tax level at 25%. All of them then further advocate policies that will decrease the business ability of main street, create far greater economic insecurity among the already-poor, and punish all of those who fall into that category henceforth. They're all complete and utter dribbling idiots, and I'm seriously thinking they make a strong case for the return of the guillotine. Not a single one of them understand how the economy actually works, because all eight of them - every last one of the bastards - is perfectly insulated from the economic realities Americans face every day.

Not a single one of them have a coherent response to questions about immigration. There are swift, obvious solutions; cease policies that make emigration from these peoples' home states so appealing. If we were to end NAFTA, illegal immigration from Latin America would slow to an absolute crawl. Ron Paul almost came close; he touched on the drug war. But ultimately when nowhere.

Mitt Romney doesn't believe in raising taxes... ever. Mitt Romney is thus still a dumbass. NEXT! Pawlenty...? NEXT! Wait... all of them... Jesus, what a pack of gibbering apes.

I love that Pawlenty keeps bragging about how he stacked hte courts for a specific political agenda rather than constitutional knowledge. Sadly, I doubt hte notion of judicial legislation bothers many in the audience, so long as it's of a sort they agree with.

Michelle Bachman doesn't seem to realize that all fifty states have their own constitutions which grant them a variety of legal abilities within that state.Paul follows up by suggesting that medical care be open to the forces of the "free market" then complains about corporatism. Make up your mind!

Oh! Here we go, Pawlenty starts it off. Let's pass around that dead military guy and see who can hump the corpse the hardest! Gingrich refuses to realize that being called on his own BS is not a "gotcha."

Santorum supports killing Iranians over fantasy, and in the same breath condemns Assad for killing people. You might say... he's in a froth? "There should be no daylight between us and Israel?" Dumbass. Even if htey're our "allies" the fact is that by definition all nation states are, at the very best, still frienemies. Total trust with another nation will just get you raped and robbed.

Ron Paul sits them all down and schools them about Iran. if only he weren't so stupefyingly, gloriously, numbingly wrong in every other department. Decent foreign policy, nightmarish domestic policy.

Santorum's gonna cryyyyyyyyyyyyyy! Bewhewhew!

As we go into the questions about gay marriage, Huntsman doesn't even try to stand by his record, and Paul looks like he's about to eat the podium.

Santorum, on abortion, seems to leave the notion that there is a woman involved between rapist and child completel out of the equation; she clearly does not matter. Nothing more than a warm damp place for the precious tax serf / military conscript to grow. Unless it's also female, in which case it too can look forward to a long productive life as a breeding bitch in Santormum's babymill enterprise.

So... my reaction?

Paul's the strongest one you guys have. Unfortunately, he has a lot of weak points and contradictory srtances. Gingrich... gives me the impression that he's already the "chosen one." Cain seems to be VP material for either one of them. The rest are a sideshow to the sideshow.

reply to post by aarys


Paul has massive support among Republicans. This does not translate into nationwide results. While we on hte left can nod at a few of his ideas, we look at his frankly insane domestic agenda, and recoil in horror from a guy who makes Pinochet look like Keynes.

Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by aarys

 

Paul has massive support among Republicans. This does not translate into nationwide results. While we on the left can nod at a few of his ideas, we look at his frankly insane domestic agenda, and recoil in horror from a guy who makes Pinochet look like Keynes.

I agree. Do you know who the core Democrats are worried about?

CNN: Rick Perry

- Texas Gov. Rick Perry will announce that he is running for president on Saturday in South Carolina, a Republican familiar with the plans told CNN.

Almost every Democrat media outlet has been bashing the man. Do you want to know what is ironic? All of them believe Perry will win in 2012.

Rick Perry is beating Mitt Romney in voter polls months before the announcement.

Prediction: Rick Perry and Rudy Giuliani 2012.