Fox News Viewers Threaten Atheists Over 9/11 Cross Lawsuit

I will be honest. As an individual, I dislike Atheism as a philosophy, and strongly prefer to have nothing to do with individuals who adhere to it.

At the same time, however, I would never advocate the murder of them. We live on a sufficiently large planet, that avoidance of those views which we find vexatious to the spirit, is entirely possible.

Christians would do very well, in this case, to remember what the likely attitude of Yeshua himself would be, in response to it. I am aware that individual atheists can be belligerent, expansionistic, and generally extremely hostile, and that as a result, many Christians may be feeling deeply threatened in response to them. The appropriate ethical response, however, is not a military one. It is simply one of avoidance.

Christianity has a history of at times needing to exist underground. I think part of the problem here, is that both groups want their respective ideologies to become dominant, and to completely supplant the other. If atheists want human society, then as far as I am concerned, they can have it. My faith will remain regardless.

reply to post by TruthWizard

I can hardly stand that symbol myself. It reminds me of the Sword the church used to kill millions of heretics and pagans over the many years of genocide people seem to have conveniently forgotten. This world would be a much better, and a lot more peaceful place of all religions, and their symbolism were banned. Just my opinion.

Originally posted by autowrench
This world would be a much better, and a lot more peaceful place of all religions, and their symbolism were banned. Just my opinion.

The only problem with this theory, is that it has already been disproven by the level of aggression observed in atheists. Atheists try and get around that by saying that their belligerence hasn't resulted in the deaths of anyone.

As far as I'm concerned, that is a lame excuse. I've never read a definition of nonviolence, which did not also include verbal or psychological abuse. As a result, the majority of atheists I've come across, who claim to be nonviolent, are actually liars.

Theism has no monopoly on amorality, and atheism has no monopoly on virtue. Claiming otherwise is both false, and potentially dangerous.

reply to post by Kitilani

Respecting other people or just other people that agree with you?

No Respecting everyone, liking the people who agree with me.

So much for respecting those people. So atheists do not deserve the same respect Christians do. Who else?

Twisting my words are you?

I was being sarcastic for one. So you can twist the message behind the sarcasm all you want. My argument there is something I've ranted about time and time again on these boards. It's the arrogance that some of them show off. "I'm smarter cause I've ditched the shackles of religion yay" I know not all of them are like that but that's what a loud majority is like.

How do I not respect them? There are some atheists on these boards even that I respect....

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Titen-Sxull
reply to post by Jazzyguy

 

There are some radical Christians out there however my guess is those on the internet passing threats are just a bunch of cowardly keyboard cowboys. Hiding behind a screen giving death threats just because you disagree, I'm sure Jesus would be proud

Personally I disagree with the decision of American Atheists to sue over the "cross", and I myself am an atheist. In my opinion these two pieces of wreckage are not overtly religious, you have to want to see them as a religious symbol.

I think its because of my age - - and having over many years watched the fight against Christian dominance/control in America - - that I support Equal symbols or none.

Totally with you Annee, as long as the people putting up that cross aren't offended with a Star of David, a cresent moon, hell even a pentagram then I'm a-ok with it being there.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Annee

 

I wouldn't care.. except you are b.s.ing your way through this whole thread.
Atheists are A-THEIST

Why don't you go read some of the threads actually started by Atheists.

Addressing many of the ignorant points anti-Atheists are stating in this thread.

Originally posted by drew1749
It's the arrogance that some of them show off. "I'm smarter cause I've ditched the shackles of religion yay" I know not all of them are like that but that's what a loud majority is like.

How do I not respect them? There are some atheists on these boards even that I respect....

Drew - - I know you try to be respectful - - - but . . .

I was a god believer most of my life and Christian. That is about 60 years worth.

I can count on one hand the Christians I've personally known who I truly believe "walk in His footsteps".

I found most of them (the majority) to be arrogant - - hypocritical - - judgmental and phony.

When you've spent day-in and day-out for 60 years with Atheists - - - then maybe I'll take your opinion of them with more validity.

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by drew1749
It's the arrogance that some of them show off. "I'm smarter cause I've ditched the shackles of religion yay" I know not all of them are like that but that's what a loud majority is like.

How do I not respect them? There are some atheists on these boards even that I respect....

Drew - - I know you try to be respectful - - - but . . .

I was a god believer most of my life and Christian. That is about 60 years worth.

I can count on one hand the Christians I've personally known who I truly believe "walk in His footsteps".

I found most of them (the majority) to be arrogant - - hypocritical - - judgmental and phony.

When you've spent day-in and day-out for 60 years with Atheists - - - then maybe I'll take your opinion of them with more validity.

Well what's the Gandhi quote "I like your Christ, not so much your Christians." and it's true. However the problem here is something even I can agree about. The loud majority is never the actual majority, they're just loud. I should assume the same goes for the Atheist community. It's annoying but what are you going to do?

However I want to stress what you think about Christians being wrong though. Because it is. There is these things that make me believe Christians do great things, you've probably heard of them. They're called the Corporal Works of Mercy. Basically helping people in need.

I fail to see how these are bad things. I mean I guess they aren't just things Christians do but my point is these are good things.

A true Christian is a good person. A bad Christian is a douchebag.

Originally posted by drew1749
The loud majority is never the actual majority, they're just loud. I should assume the same goes for the Atheist community. It's annoying but what are you going to do?

Well there you go. People are People - - it begins and ends with that.

Not what they believe or lack there of.

reply to post by Annee


Yes people are people. I've said this throughout the thread in defense of gay people...

Originally posted by drew1749

A true Christian is a good person.

A good person is a good person.

One does not need more then themself to be a good person.

The "goodest" people I've ever met - - just happened to be a Pagan Lesbian couple. There was just something special and completely loving and non-judgmental about them.

Originally posted by facelift
reply to post by DrChuck

 

Why the hell do Atheists care if all the faiths are not being included?


You Tool...


You can be the poster boy for them: The primary reason those with an open mind become incredulous in regards to a cross being placed there is because once again a dominant player in the lucrative business of organized religion finds a way to attach itself, just a like a nasty leech, to a catastrophe in order to promote its agenda.


But that never "crossed" your mind, as it conflicts with your personal beliefs, and we all know how fragile your type is...

edit on 23-8-2011 by facelift because: kill an apostrophe, add 'a', take out 'common sense'

You Poor Fool...

So I guess that problem here is a dominant religion? If the developers were to erect a piece of mangled artifact that resembled a nondominant religion your types wouldn't have a problem with it? Don't be stupid.

The nasty leech here is the Atheists making a circus out of the 9/11 catastrophe in order to promote its agenda.

But that never crossed your mind, as it conflicts with your beliefs. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

reply to post by Annee


Why don't you go back and quote my entire post instead of the little part you thought you had some argument for. You completely avoided the fact that you flipped your opinion to make a point to the other guy and I called you on it.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Annee

 

Why don't you go back and quote my entire post instead of the little part you thought you had some argument for. You completely avoided the fact that you flipped your opinion to make a point to the other guy and I called you on it.

Not interested.

Move along . . .

reply to post by Annee


Of course not. You have avoided any points made against you.
This is why I hate arguing with atheists as much as I hate arguing with religious people.
Agnosticism is in the true vein of science as it requires an open mind. Atheism and religion is where learning ends.
As soon as you say this is how it is the drive to discover ends.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Annee

 

Of course not. You have avoided any points made against you.

We are done with a god believer telling a non-believer what they supposedly believe.

Plain and Simple. Dramatize it all you want. Not interested.

There are an awful lot of American Christians who are, in essence, anti-Christ. They don't really believe in the teachings of Jesus, but they do believe in authoritarianism and judgmentalism. In my opinion calling America the most religious Western country is misleading. It is in fact the most fascist Western country, and the so-called Christians are expressing their loyalty to TPTB. The real irony is that if they are right and God is as judgmental as they think, it will be they burning in eternal damnation.

reply to post by Annee


Have you never gotten this. I don't believe in god.
I believe it's possible.
As I've stated several times, I'm agnostic.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Kitilani

 

Doesn't make it any less likely either. Face is we don't know. I don't and you don't.

Which is no different from what I said so you are just arguing to argue or because you have decided that there is a group of mean ol'd atheists here that are all exactly the same and instead of responding to my posts you are just responding to your own made up generalization? I never said I know anything. I specifically said I know NOTHING about your god. It is a little hard for me to have any faith or any belief in something I know nothing of. He is your god. You made him up. Why should I have a belief either way?

You just don't think big enough.

You have no idea what I think. This is apparent from you complete inability to even comprehend what I have actually written. My faith that you also know about me things I have not expressed is a little less than some.

Consider the hadron collider where we recreate events similar to the big bang. In a fraction of second a universe we created could form and then end in the blink of an eye with lifetimes, our own lifetimes even we would never know they existed and they would never know we existed but we created it nonetheless.

OK and?

You don't know anything and neither do i. So it is ignorant of you to say there is no god.

What is it of you to tell me that I am ignorant for saying something I never said?

Please, stop responding to me just to argue. You are arguing against things I either never said or already clarified are not my views. Perhaps you keep replying to the wrong person. I never denied your god. I do not even know anything about him.

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by Kitilani

 

No I just don't care. If it makes someone feel good than f**k it it's money well spent. Especially in the face of what most of my taxes are spent on.

Wow!

Are you for real? There are lots of things that would make me feel good to see tax dollars spent on far above and beyond a cross. Why does what makes these people feel good trump what I think would make people feel good. I bet if we spent more tax money and offered everyone in NYC a hundred dollar bill, more would be for that. That would make people feel good. We have failing schools that cannot buy CHALK for crying out loud. I bet a lot more people would feel really good about their tax dollars actually supporting the education of the next generation over any religious symbol.
If the only reason MY tax dollars should go to make OTHERS feel good is because it makes them feel good then that is NOT a reason. It is my money. I am still waiting to find out why MY money should make anyone else feel good?

IT IS A SIMPLE QUESTION.