UK-riots-2011-Britains liberal intelligentsia smashed virtually every social value.

I just noticed the star system on people post . How do you get stars ??

I know , Im just a little kid wanting a star .

Originally posted by supamoto
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Newapapers sell with sensationalist stories that are written for entertainment more than fact.
The dail mail would blame everything on leftwing politics, aren't Blair & Brown still being blamed for all that goes on in the UK & do not in particular Sun & Mail readers totally agree with this?
Isn't the daily mail a Murdoch paper?
They play on the minds of the simple & often cause those simple minds to act. (wrongly)
Newspapers are having a field day with the UK riots (sell sell sell) & the government is milking it.
Cameron & his ego made sure the police response wouldn't happen until he returned.
Cameron & co. brought in these policies that take take take.....( & the bankers get get get). Wonder if these riots would be happening if Labour were still in power???
Says it all really.

' thats evil that Cameron stands down police untill he returns reluctanly from holidays . Gives me creepy shivers down the spine all these nasty selfish little critters running the show .

Originally posted by Anusuia
Well EvanB ...The upper classes and bankers feel very entitled to your money . You slave they display .

I agree with alot of whats in the article but once again those welfare people dont get that much of the bucket . lead from the top down . The leaders must show moral fibre first and i think everyone of those awfull kids know how disgusting their political leader are and the filthy rich are decadant and then they see police corruption . thats the one closest to that class .

So whos to blame here .???
A good society is lead from a good head on its shoulders first .
Just as was my point about the family being lead by a good man first so the moms can be good moms and the kids can be watched like a hawk by said good moms as they are not out there slaving in the workforce .

I agree with much of what you say. They do feel entitled to my money and my wallet shows that. Things DO need to change at the top as well as the bottom as excess endemic at both ends.

But as I have no experience of what those damned elites do I can only expertly comment on where I am at the bottom, and that is that here we have people who do not want to work and are as much as a burden on the taxpayer as the elite are.

You are right. Leadership begins at the top, so what would you suggest?

Originally posted by Anusuia
I just noticed the star system on people post . How do you get stars ??

I know , Im just a little kid wanting a star .

Here's another

Originally posted by Anusuia

Originally posted by supamoto
reply to post by slinkey10

 

Newapapers sell with sensationalist stories that are written for entertainment more than fact.
The dail mail would blame everything on leftwing politics, aren't Blair & Brown still being blamed for all that goes on in the UK & do not in particular Sun & Mail readers totally agree with this?
Isn't the daily mail a Murdoch paper?
They play on the minds of the simple & often cause those simple minds to act. (wrongly)
Newspapers are having a field day with the UK riots (sell sell sell) & the government is milking it.
Cameron & his ego made sure the police response wouldn't happen until he returned.
Cameron & co. brought in these policies that take take take.....( & the bankers get get get). Wonder if these riots would be happening if Labour were still in power???
Says it all really.

' thats evil that Cameron stands down police untill he returns reluctanly from holidays . Gives me creepy shivers down the spine all these nasty selfish little critters running the show .

FYI

The daily mail is NOT a murdoch newspaper!

If you want to put the blame on someone other than the looter himself put the blame on the makers of society's values, the philosophers.

Originally posted by supamoto
reply to post by slinkey10

 

Newapapers sell with sensationalist stories that are written for entertainment more than fact.
The dail mail would blame everything on leftwing politics, aren't Blair & Brown still being blamed for all that goes on in the UK & do not in particular Sun & Mail readers totally agree with this?
Isn't the daily mail a Murdoch paper?
They play on the minds of the simple & often cause those simple minds to act. (wrongly)
Newspapers are having a field day with the UK riots (sell sell sell) & the government is milking it.
Cameron & his ego made sure the police response wouldn't happen until he returned.
Cameron & co. brought in these policies that take take take.....( & the bankers get get get). Wonder if these riots would be happening if Labour were still in power???
Says it all really.

Yeah its sad that Newspapers have that power to shape consciousness - often in a wrong way.

I'm not sure if I agree with your comment abt CaMoron and his ego being behind the police holding back - I would suggest the police held back to a)settle the score with Guberment for the police having to fall on their swords over the Murdoch fiasco and b) to get the public on side to stop the cuts to the Police force -
www.prisonplanet.com...

Cameron is in the Commons atm talking abt the use of water cannons (imo it will become the norm so u wont be able 2 protest abt anything), the use of plastic bullets, more cctv and consulting with china re: filters for soc media. I think all of that will please the DM readers, who ironically will b the ones bleating when they get caught up in the soon to b police state.

As is true for any ideology in any governmental system, certain feedback loops get put in place when left-leaning bureaucrats assume power in a nation. Just like everyone else, their primary drive is self-preservation, so they will automatically stand on the side of anything that maintains or increases their own power and influence, and will oppose anything that decreases the same. For example, they like to keep the immigrant populations seperate from normal society, encouraging them to speak their own languages, have their own customs, and stoke mistrust of outsiders. Why would they like this? Because it creates the need for a whole army of "intermediaries": "cultural experts" and "linguistic experts" and "victimologists" and "trans-cultural gender-issue therapists" and so on and so forth. All those nice, easy, expensive, and worthless degrees can be put to use at cushy, secure, taxpayer-funded jobs. Meanwhile it's "austerity," cultural guilt shoveled down your throat by the media, and looting for the working man.

I don't think we can blame politicians for everything here. gang culture, rampent consumerism, Instant gratification and materialism have all played a part here. Our TV' and media is permanently filling kids heads full of unrealistic ideals and values. That one can become rich and famous with out requiring any talent. The sickness in our culture is caused by a multiple of factors, parking all the problems at the door of the liberal is missing all the other factors involved.

If you want to talk about our government, look at the wars we are in spending over 50 million a week setting libya on fire. Not to mention out involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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Oh yes indeed, I agree with all of the above. Materialism is a curse. And when combined with a Eurocratic cultural regime, it's a downright abomination. The war situation are another thing that should be changed. Of course they go hand-in-hand, because a culture of materialism and greed uses more oil.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
I don't think we can blame politicians for everything here. gang culture, rampent consumerism, Instant gratification and materialism have all played a part here. Our TV' and media is permanently filling kids heads full of unrealistic ideals and values. That one can become rich and famous with out requiring any talent. The sickness in our culture is caused by a multiple of factors, parking all the problems at the door of the liberal is missing all the other factors involved.

If you want to talk about our government, look at the wars we are in spending over 50 million a week setting libya on fire. Not to mention out involvement in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I also agree with the above. I think the point is that this a complex issue with numerous causal factors. To take the DM's approach is a simplistic solution at best.

reply to post by slinkey10


I forgot about that recent event already where the top policceman is taking the fall for the govner . He had to resign did he not and meanwhile its holidays back in tuscony for Cameroon. it seems they take constant vacations these bludgers at the top that you pay for the privlege to see them having happy holidays while your streets burn.

Lovely chappies indeed. So yes could very well be a payback by police .

reply to post by EvanB


So Thatherites who destoryed the country's industry are liberal softies now accoring to some? Bankers and corporate giants who ruined the economy and caused a global recession are marxist entities?

We're in for far more trouble if people honestly believe this rubbish.

I was looking about the internet and came across this poem, I think it relates to whats happening, Just thought i would throw it in there to see what fellow ATS members think..

A FINAL EPITAPH FROM ONE OF ENGLAND'S FINEST POETS:


A curse for England, false and base
Where nothing can prosper but disgrace
Where crushed is each flower's tender form,
And decay and corruption feed the worm . . .

The winner's shout, the loser's curse
Go with Old England's black funeral hearse . . .
William Blake

As per usual on ATS I find myself swayed by both sides of the arguement that all have very valid points.

I guess we have to become the change we want to see, and a sudden knee jerk change in society could do more harm than good.

I guess the solutions have got to be bespoke for each area, as each has its own individual challenges, and of course that comes with a bespoke government too thats for the people and not self interest.

And with that, the only thing I have the power to change is myself because barring a miracle, a totally bespoke government is impossible.

And for some light relief of this topic and some irony you may enjoy this

Originally posted by Goathief
reply to post by EvanB

 

So Thatherites who destoryed the country's industry are liberal softies now accoring to some? Bankers and corporate giants who ruined the economy and caused a global recession are marxist entities?

We're in for far more trouble if people honestly believe this rubbish.

edit on 11-8-2011 by Goathief because: (no reason given)

Why can't it be both? Not operating together per se, but as totally distinct power blocs that more or less interpenetrate each others' agendas without major conflict. The system that takes shape allows both the bankers and the Eurocrats to coexist. A big piece of the puzzle: Both thrive on creating and controlling cultures of dependence. The bankers want to create masses of credit-junkies, pouring ever more of their lifeblood into servicing debt. The Eurocrats want to create dependence on themselves too...not only the "cultural intermediaries" I noted above, but also to create "constituenceies" that will depend on politicians to "speak for their needs" and "represent them as oppressed minorities..." essentially mobilizing them as a base for their own power-grubbing manipulations. And if they get the bankers to toss money at the proper campaign warchests than so much the better, right? Politics ain't for the weak of stomach.

Originally posted by EvanB
As per usual on ATS I find myself swayed by both sides of the arguement that all have very valid points.

I guess we have to become the change we want to see, and a sudden knee jerk change in society could do more harm than good.

I guess the solutions have got to be bespoke for each area, as each has its own individual challenges, and of course that comes with a bespoke government too thats for the people and not self interest.

And with that, the only thing I have the power to change is myself because barring a miracle, a totally bespoke government is impossible.

Well said, at least you have the intelligence to realise the complexities and take on board alternate views...

And nice one for the link abt the food parcels...

reply to post by EvanB


for some light reading and a funny rebuttal to the op's DM article by Melanie Philips

www.thedailymash.co.uk...

Originally posted by slinkey10
reply to post by EvanB

 

Can you clarify who the 'Liberal Intelligentsia' are please?

They are the usefull idiots created by marxists to carry out their stealth agendas - sosucessfully brainwashed are they that when the fruits of their decades of efforts produce monsters like these - what do they do? cry for more of the same of course! - just like they do with the US inner cities.

By the end of WWI, socialists realized that something was amiss, for the world's proletariat had not heeded Marx's call to rise up in opposition to evil capitalism and to embrace communism instead. They wondered what had gone wrong.

Separately, two Marxist theorists-Antonio Gramsci of Italy and Georg Lukacs of Hungary-concluded that the Christianized West was the obstacle standing in the way of a communist new world order. The West would have to be conquered first. Gramsci posited that because Christianity had been dominant in the West for over 2000 years, not only was it fused with Western civilization, but it had corrupted the workers class. The West would have to be de-Christianized, said Gramsci, by means of a "long march through the culture."

Additionally, a new proletariat must be created. In his "Prison Notebooks," he suggested that the new proletariat be comprised of many criminals, women, and racial minorities. The new battleground, reasoned Gramsci, must become the culture, starting with the traditional family and completely engulfing churches, schools, media, entertainment, civic organizations, literature, science, and history.

All of these things must be radically transformed and the social and cultural order gradually turned upside-down with the new proletariat placed in power at the top.

www.americanthinker.com...