Bert And Ernie Finally Tying The Knot?

I know how the ATS crowd loves a good tit-for-tat between the "homophobes" and the "gay agenda" so I figured you guys would love this article:

I even went out of my way to dig up the FOX version.

Personally, my opinion echos the creators of the show. They are simply muppets and none of them have any sort of intimate relationships with anybody so not having them get married is perfectly reasonable. And it would also make children think that you can't have hetero life mates (ala Jay and Silent Bob) and that, if you are two dudes or two chicks living together, you must be gay.

I appreciate the effort and the very real outcome of incensing the religious extremists, none the less.

I guess it's a good thing the "Odd Fellow's" aren't still on TV or else they'd be proclaimed gay too.

**Edit**

Originally posted by Cuervo
And it would also make children think that you can't have hetero life mates (ala Jay and Silent Bob) and that, if you are two dudes or two chicks living together, you must be gay.

So true. Just because two people of the same sex live with each other, doesn't mean they're gay. And that's kinda the message that's being sent here.

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"They were created to teach preschoolers that people can be good friends with those who are very different from themselves," the statement read.

I believe that statement. I do not believe that they created Bert and Ernie to be insinuated as a homosexual couple... Especially since the only reason given is that they live together? I have had male roommates in the past and I am not a homosexual. I have had a homosexual male roommate in the past and....nope, still not a homosexual.

The petition also asks that "Sesame Street" producers consider adding a transgender character to the show

Whhaaaattt?? why? And besides... how would they portray a transgender muppet? A muppet with an adams apple, deep voice, and hairy legs that wears a dress and makeup? First of all, I highly doubt that young kids would really pick up on said muppet being a transgender. Second of all...why? What good would that do? Not that I am against transgenders...to each his/her own. I just don't see the importance of such a thing on a young children's television program.

I feel like the petition is just LGBTs trying to make a statement.

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Cool. I always thought that Bert would look fantastic in leather chaps.

There is absolutely no reason to do this kind of stuff. Kids don't get the gender of Bert and Ernie, frankly I didn't think that show had been on for 20 years and I've got young kids.

Originally posted by deanGI5

I feel like the petition is just LGBTs trying to make a statement.

edit on 10-8-2011 by deanGI5 because: (no reason given)

Agreed. If they at least had some element of passion between the muppets already established, I could see their point but... yeah, this is just trying to right something that's not wrong.

It's what the world is coming to.......and it's a damn shame. Kids need to be kids, no indoctrinated into this sort of stuff. Leave it up to the parents, screw PBS and Sesame Street.

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
It's what the world is coming to.......and it's a damn shame. Kids need to be kids, no indoctrinated into this sort of stuff. Leave it up to the parents, screw PBS and Sesame Street.

Keep in mind that this petition is not PBS's or Sesame Street's doing. They are against adding any romance to any of the characters, whatsoever. This is being driven by some third party.

Oh well, I guess Chandler Bing will miss them running around in his halls now.

Monica will probably be ok with it though!

Originally posted by Cuervo
Personally, my opinion echos the creators of the show. They are simply muppets and none of them have any sort of intimate relationships with anybody so not having them get married is perfectly reasonable. And it would also make children think that you can't have hetero life mates (ala Jay and Silent Bob) and that, if you are two dudes or two chicks living together, you must be gay.

Yeah - read this elsewhere.

I agree with you and the creators. Its OK to just have friends.

This is definitely crossing the line of ridiculous.

Most Kids who watch Sesame Street - - don't really have any concept of marriage anyway - - straight or gay.

why not big bird and oscar the grouch?

the count could come in for a thressome.

world is messed up when this stuff is even being thought about

From a Brit point of view i always thought that Bert and Ernie were based on Eric and Ernie (morecambe and wise early 70s tv). Just a comedic vehicle for 2 guys as in the brilliant 'Odd couple' american in the 70s.

Leave them as they are - the kids have enough tv influences (producer/writer/director led) as it is.

What next Oscar the grouch is really a wino/crack head living in a dumpster (i always suspected as much!).

We all knew once we'd grown that Dylan from magic roundabout was stoned on hash - but not until we'd grown, sampled the said weed and checked in. Kids however don't need to know this stuff -they're what 3 -5 years old watching Sesame Street.

I grew up with "the street". My parents would rather we watch something that had at least some educational value in it.

Children are innocents. However I do note that todays children seem to "grow up" faster in the fact that there are a lot of things that they deal with that I didn't have to deal with "back in the day".

I do understand a person wanting to be accepted for who they are. The thing is that children have the most open and accepting minds when it comes to the obvious differences between peoples. I think that this lobby effort is misguided.

BTW, IIRC Bert is a drug dealer, a pimp and was involved in the JFK assassination. Proof Here

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
It's what the world is coming to.......and it's a damn shame. Kids need to be kids, no indoctrinated into this sort of stuff. Leave it up to the parents, screw PBS and Sesame Street.

Keep in mind that this petition is not PBS's or Sesame Street's doing. They are against adding any romance to any of the characters, whatsoever. This is being driven by some third party.

This is very true. Sesame Street refuses to make Bert and Ernie a gay couple, refuses to bow under the pressure to do so by this one individual who is promoting the idea. But this kind of a push from her fans got Betty White on Saturday Night Live. Never underestimate one man with a mission and a facebook page.
If they wanted to introduce a few new gay characters that might be fine but when you are talking about children as young as the Sesame Street age range, why initiate or suggest any sexual innuendo what so ever? No one needs to know "where this relationship goes from here" or what these 2 do later on in the privacy of their own home... Why go there? IMO This material is for other programs targeted at children who are approaching the teen years, not Sesame Street age range.

Well,

Miss Piggy and Kermit had a hot thing going on, so there, Muppet creators!

But Bert and Ernie are definitely not gay - they are not stylish enough.

Originally posted by britchik
From a Brit point of view i always thought that Bert and Ernie were based on Eric and Ernie (morecambe and wise early 70s tv). Just a comedic vehicle for 2 guys as in the brilliant 'Odd couple' american in the 70s.

Leave them as they are - the kids have enough tv influences (producer/writer/director led) as it is.

What next Oscar the grouch is really a wino/crack head living in a dumpster (i always suspected as much!).

We all knew once we'd grown that Dylan from magic roundabout was stoned on hash - but not until we'd grown, sampled the said weed and checked in. Kids however don't need to know this stuff -they're what 3 -5 years old watching Sesame Street.

I have to laugh at your post.
You do make a good point. Where would we stop with this?
Teaching children sensitivity regarding the homeless and drug addicts by making Oscar the Grouch, a crack head dumpster diver. If Oscar was doing drugs, you'd think he'd be in a better mood.

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It's a little kid's program and adult relationships regardless of what they are, should'nt even come in to it!

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Where are they registered?
(I'll pick up napkin rings, they're nice.)

This just goes to show you how stupid some people can be. Children at that age do not need to be thrust into issues such as homosexuality or transgenderism, they are still learning how to tie their shoes and learn thier ABC's I am sure this Change.org does not speak for every gay person. How about it, lets here from some gay people who are against this.

I'd like to see a Change.org message forum with gay people admitting this is off the deep end, this cannot be the norm among gay people it's too outrageous and silly.

That peanut butter and jelly sandwich eating muppet crashed this countries space program. Of course He and his best friend ( the two characters that remind children of young brothers sharing the same room ) are the perfect candidates for a public wedding. Fraternal gay sex is the next hot thing in sex education. Comming to a school near you.

But let's take a pause and travel back to the seventies to look at the moment that Ernie destroyed the space program.



SETTING: Ernie gets out of bed in the middle of the night, goes to the window and sings to the moon

SONG:
well I'd like to go the moon
on a rocket ship high in the air
yes, I'd like to visit the moon,
but I [color=gold]don't think I'd like to live there





So what do I think?

I think Ernie should be sentence to an episode of sally jesse raphael, errr strike that, Sally Messy Yuckyael and put on trial for showing, nay even embracing love.



SETTING: A talk show in the world of garbage cans and grouches. Sally puts Oscar and Grungetta on the stage to be boo'd for admitting they are in love.

SALLY: OH! Oscar ... the ... Grouch ... how could you!?





Apparently love is only bad for heterosexuals on Sesame Street. And the facebook page mentioned in the linked article in the opening post wants to make sure it stays that way.


David Grouchy

(now excuse me while I go scrub the programming from my brain by watching Sade: Love is Found)

In case the LGTG community wonders why they are ostricized and ridiculed a lot, this is why. What they're attempting to do is not in any way constructive. It is a seemingly childish move to alter and lay claim to two puppet characters who have been around for 40 years. Bert and Ernie show absolutely no sexual identification beyond their names. They're obviously both males. They live together and theyre friends. So why the need to get married? Do they need tax help? Is Bert slated to get a Kidney transplant and Ernie wants to visit? Seriously here. Isn't sexual love a prerequisite for marriage? Bert and Ernie are not in love. They're not lovers for cryin out loud.

I usually have no opinion on what the gay community wants, as I am not gay. I say let them have the same rights as everyone else etc....... It doesn't affect me.
- This does affect me. It's childish. This makes it seem as if the gay community is trying to 'turn' something gay. Bert and Ernie are not sexual beings. They're puppets. Children need not be concerned with sexuality at 4 years old, let alone homosexuality.

Why don;t they pool their money together and present PBS with a gay puppet show? Why the need to change an already established and beloved one?