Communication with Extraterrestrial Intelligence - The NSA's paper on ET

I searched but did not find where this was posted before.

And if I'm behind a bit in this news then sorry to waste your time then. I just found it a while ago so its new to me.
I think this is amazing. Not groundshaking but nonetheless amazing. Its almost if that when these types of documents come out it makes one wonder if they really know anyting at all? Or, what they are preparing use for.

Source & document

reply to post by Humint1


Thats taking forever to load but I'm almost 100% this has been posted before. I'll know once it loads up

edit: yeah that links not working for me

Is this your link, www.nsa.gov...

from www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by Swills


Not same document.
The one humint1 post in 1 post has the header "Communication with Extraterrestrial
Intelligence" and DOCID: 3052333 writen by Lambros D. Callimahos.

This article was given as a lecture at the Cosmos Club in
Washington earlier 1966 year (Thx IsaacKoi)

A few quotes from the post:

Unless we are terribly conceited (a
very unscientific demeanor), we must assume that the
"others" are far more advanced than we are. Even a 50year
gap would be tremendous; a 500-year gap staggers
the imagination, and as for a 5000-year gap... (By the
way, if they are as much as 50 years behind us, forget it!)

Doesent this go in both directions? If, which we probably are is way behind in technology, why would they have interest in us, untill we pose a treat to them in the bigger picture.

Most of the post concerns how humans tried to contact ET's in the past.


Dident have time to read it all, but hope i get better time later.

reply to post by Humint1
I haven't seen this before and enjoyed reading it. The guy who wrote it was a code-breaker for the NSA, not just 'a' code-breaker, but one of their all-time best. The idea of communicating with ETs in distant galaxies appealed to his fascination of deciphering numerical messages. I wonder if he ever had the opportunity!?

Here's the NSA page about him...Callimahos - NSA Hall of Honor

reply to post by Mimir


So the link works for you? What the hell, its not working for me

edit: you know I thought of a recent ATS thread. The author of said thread claims to know someone working for NSA and this friend told him that very soon there would be ET disclosure. Prolly nothing, but hell, you never know

Originally posted by Swills
reply to post by Mimir

 

So the link works for you? What the hell, its not working for me

Yep opens in 3 seconds.
cryptome.org...
ht tp://cryptome.org/0005/nsa-aliens-spy.pdf heres the htmlcode, try c/p it (i added 2 blanks in http).

reply to post by Mimir


I rebooted and now its working. Just scrolling thru the pages it reminds me of my crypto days in the USN. Garbled messages and all. I wanna know what "year" this was written.

Originally posted by Mimir
The one humint1 post in 1 post has the header "Communication with Extraterrestrial
Intelligence" and DOCID: 3052333 writen by Lambros D. Callimahos.

This article was given as a lecture at the Cosmos Club in
Washington earlier "this" year (not sure which year "this" year is).

Hi Mimir,

"This" year was 1966.

(The article was published in the NSA Technical Journal in the Winter 1966 edition).

All the best,

Isaac

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It opend up for me the first time, but the second time i went back to look at it, it wouldnt open, thought maybee it downloaded on my comp somewhere, but i couldnt find it. clicking on the link has somehow screwed with my comp and i cant click on my start button.i will have to reboot too.

I have never thought it was as simple as saying a race might be a certain number of years more advanced than us... first of all our achievements in science and technology haven't kept up a steady pace, so our own timeline isn't even much of a reference. There's also no reason our achievements had to happen at the times that they did. I don't see why the theory of evolution couldn't have been realized 500 years earlier or 500 years later if Charles Darwin was born in a different time. I think there are many more factors than just a set time comparison.

If anyone remembers that article about how we are dumber for relying on google, maybe aliens have all their knowledge on their own space googles and don't know anything themselves.

thoroughly enjoyable read, thx for the link


i found this interesting and quietly frightening at the same time...did someone say this was written in 1966?

Russia's greatest radio astronomer, has cited the profound crises which lie in wait for a developing civilization, any one of which may well prove fatal:
1) Self-destruction as a result of a thermonuclear catastrophe or some other discovery which may have unpredictable and uncontrollable consequences;
(2) Genetic danger;
(3) Overproduction of information;
(4) Restricted capacity of the individual's brain, which can lead to excessive specialization, with consequent dangers of degeneration; and
(5) A crisis precipitated by the creation of artificial intelligent beings.

reply to post by zazzafrazz

i found this interesting and quietly frightening at the same time...did someone say this was written in 1966?

The paper cites other published papers from 1971 and 1973 so it couldn't have been written in 1966. If I had to guess, I would say mid to late 70's....

Originally posted by IsaacKoi
(The article was published in the NSA Technical Journal in the Winter 1966 edition).

To be more precise, I should have said that the article in the OP appears to be a SLIGHTLY updated version of an article FIRST published in the NSA Technical Journal in the Winter 1966 edition.

(I'm sorry if my comment above caused any confusion, I stopped reading the article at the link in the OP after the first sentence or so, since I recognised those words - and the author - from the original 1966 article).

Compare the 1966 article on the NSA's website:
www.nsa.gov...

with the article in the OP:
cryptome.org...


Incidentally, there is a better copy of the 1966 article (and some related articles and covers of relevant NSA journals) on the CUFON website at:
www.cufon.org...

All the best,

Isaac

Ooh! Great find! I look forward to reading it today while I'm "working".

Something new I haven't read! Will have a read over it when I'm home Cheers for posting it.

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There's a significant problem here and that is that this signal is in the typology of most punch it cards for its time period.

A real alien signal would have more "pixels" for a clearer image.

We even see the same facts with our own so-called response to our alien signal out to the stars that had our solar system, dna, and diagram of ourselves. The reply had the same pixels for its time period.


A real alien signal, ignoring the fact that signals break down a few light years from their source, would be sent in a continuous manner aboard a simple probe. This probe would send something with hundreds of pixels at the least. Perhaps thousands, and repeat always with a brief break in signal.

Originally posted by zazzafrazz
thoroughly enjoyable read, thx for the link

i found this interesting and quietly frightening at the same time...did someone say this was written in 1966?

Russia's greatest radio astronomer, has cited the profound crises which lie in wait for a developing civilization, any one of which may well prove fatal:
1) Self-destruction as a result of a thermonuclear catastrophe or some other discovery which may have unpredictable and uncontrollable consequences;
(2) Genetic danger;
(3) Overproduction of information;
(4) Restricted capacity of the individual's brain, which can lead to excessive specialization, with consequent dangers of degeneration; and
(5) A crisis precipitated by the creation of artificial intelligent beings.

I think that we have just about all these points just about nailed down as a society.
We are well on our way to the death of this civilization.

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first of all id like to say thank for all your information you bring forth on your threads and other peoples! And im a big fan


That aside im reading the document now! thanks for posting it OP!

reply to post by zazzafrazz


I enjoyed those aspects as well. If I recall right it was in that year ('66) or thereabouts.

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Your welcome....Thanks for stopping in and posting