Kingman (Arizona) light show defied logic. Photos & Video included. Formation of Cessnas?

reply to post by how2josh


I use to make up better excuses for why I was late for class in grade 10. Who in their right mind could buy flying student pilots at night in formations lol... Let me guess they were top secret spy kids with aerobatics secret special forces team. I mean seriously, next I am going to hear them say it was Mario's Pizza, he flips em to high sometimes.

no UFO's there ...just a flying Walmart.

These are lights on Night Training Modules. Sorry but no visiting aliens this time. I'm disappointed. Why is this on the Front Page?

Kratos40

Originally posted by mbaca3570
reply to post by Lost_Mind

 

I would say the lights where no more that 500 feet above us but we were also a mile away give or take .5 mile


kingman is 3200 feet above sea level

this is the closest point adress wise


Round Up Rd & El Paso Rd
Kingman North, AZ 86401

put that in google maps

Just wondering, how did you estimate the height? For that matter, the distance as well? It seems to me they could have been twice as high and twice as far, if they aren't overlapping any objects of known size, how can you really tell?

Originally posted by how2josh

Originally posted by mbaca3570

Originally posted by how2josh
I saw these lights with my own eyes only I did not investigate. Have seen them before around the hualapai mtn. area when you look south numerous times. Something may be happening as far a new "vehicle tests" and or just simply unexplainable whatever they were generated such a clean light that it would be hard to dismiss them as regular helicopters. On that note they were in no way shape or form an airplane either.......They were like aircraft that moved slowly and generated no noise and the lights were WAY too bright to be anything we are "used" to in the sky.

Thank you someone to verify no noise was heard and those lights where really bright but there was always one brighter than the rest but they didnt have spot lights like if they were searching for something or someone on the ground

Exactly, it is a cover up of some sort but they have to let us see them in the sky for everyone to accept what they were. I would have had no idea that this was happening, that night by the time i saw them there were only 9 in total. My daughter happened to see them and called me outside and I'm wondering why i dismissed them as helicopters i think it was because they moved so slow. From my angle of view which is from Thompson Ave by bank there was one that I saw that shot up into the atmosphere or space in just a second or less.

oh okay the first time I was all the way out on airway in the desert and then I saw them heading south as I was getting gas at gas n grub near family dollar

Originally posted by Kratos40
These are lights on Night Training Modules. Sorry but no visiting aliens this time. I'm disappointed. Why is this on the Front Page?

Kratos40

Would you care to elaborate? right now you have as much proof as if I said oh they area flying illuminated cats.

Originally posted by Akasirus

Originally posted by mbaca3570
reply to post by Lost_Mind

 

I would say the lights where no more that 500 feet above us but we were also a mile away give or take .5 mile


kingman is 3200 feet above sea level

this is the closest point adress wise


Round Up Rd & El Paso Rd
Kingman North, AZ 86401

put that in google maps

Just wondering, how did you estimate the height? For that matter, the distance as well? It seems to me they could have been twice as high and twice as far, if they aren't overlapping any objects of known size, how can you really tell?

My cousin and I judged buy the mountains in the background for the distance and the height because they inbetween the mountains and us and then the height because one flew behind a mountian (hill) that is 300 feet tall and in the formations they where a little higher than that but they also had one blinking light to the left and then one go off to the right. and the distance my cousin measured out to the mountian to where we were and it was about 2 miles but they were in between us and the mountain so I said they were a mile out +- .5 mile and 500 hundred feet but could have been up to 800 feet

reply to post by TheRemedial


Totally agree, student pilots do not EVER fly in formation.. It is far too dangerous for civilians, and there are NO flight schools that would support such a thing.. At least not for joe sixpack student pilots.. in crappy cessnas? And also at night?

Yeah, this explanation is definitely just someones rediculousness, which has been par for the course since the 50's and earlier..

Student pilots are not yet instrument rated thus are limited to VFR (Visual Flight Rules) daytime flight only.

Formation flight by students AT night is highly unlikely especially at a premiere Flight school, such as Emory-Riddle.

If those were Cessnas we'd also see their nightflight FAA required red and green navigation lights and strobes.

Originally posted by nh_ee
Student pilots are not yet instrument rated thus are limited to VFR (Visual Flight Rules) daytime flight only.

Formation flight by students AT night is highly unlikely especially at a premiere Flight school, such as Emory-Riddle.

If those were Cessnas we'd also see their nightflight FAA required red and green navigation lights and strobes.

There was no red or green lights and only 2 lights blinked Thank you.

it's pretty easy to spot a plane by night. They have blinking lights. All aircraft have blinking lights. Also, civilian AND military aircrafts have mandatory a green light on one wing and a red light on another wing. This is due to navigation and it comes from ships that have a similar navigation system, basicly it is to know which is left and which is right in order to better understand, if you have no radar, if the craft is heading your way or in the opposite direction. In the case of Cesna's, they do not fly high enough in order for the red/green lights to be undistinguishable. Just a head's up for people seeing stuff What I find more intriguing at night are the lights that have NO BLINK whatsoever

EDIT: I saw that someone allready mentioned the red/green lights and strobes. What I would like to add is that these lights and strobes are mandatory for ALL craft, Cesna, Boeing, Airbus, LM, etc. If you will ever take a commercial flight by night you will see planes fly by even at high altitudes like 11.000 m that have these red/green lights and strobes on. Plus, if you fly by night and you have a window seat, well let's just say u have to pull the window cover, especially if you can see the tip of the wing, and that is because the strobe flases in your eyes happened to me last month while returning to europe from singapore and above afghanistan i wanted to watch a storm in the distance. it was pretty cool to see the lighnings in the distance howver the strobe was annoying. I was flying in a jumbo jet BTW

Originally posted by kobewan69
it's pretty easy to spot a plane by night. They have blinking lights. All aircraft have blinking lights. Also, civilian AND military aircrafts have mandatory a green light on one wing and a red light on another wing. This is due to navigation and it comes from ships that have a similar navigation system, basicly it is to know which is left and which is right in order to better understand, if you have no radar, if the craft is heading your way or in the opposite direction. In the case of Cesna's, they do not fly high enough in order for the red/green lights to be undistinguishable. Just a head's up for people seeing stuff

What I find more intriguing at night are the lights that have NO BLINK whatsoever

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Just for you reference, the red and green lights are referred to port and starboard lights. Port = red. Starboard = Green.

It's mainly navigational, and so people can easily work out the general direction of a boat leaving or entering different areas of water such as harbours etc. Few other reasons such as right of way, though there's no rules on the water and ATC sorts it all out in the sky.



Airplanes just having green, white and red lights didn't cut it for me! Haha.

Originally posted by VraxUK

Originally posted by kobewan69
it's pretty easy to spot a plane by night. They have blinking lights. All aircraft have blinking lights. Also, civilian AND military aircrafts have mandatory a green light on one wing and a red light on another wing. This is due to navigation and it comes from ships that have a similar navigation system, basicly it is to know which is left and which is right in order to better understand, if you have no radar, if the craft is heading your way or in the opposite direction. In the case of Cesna's, they do not fly high enough in order for the red/green lights to be undistinguishable. Just a head's up for people seeing stuff

What I find more intriguing at night are the lights that have NO BLINK whatsoever

edit on 11-8-2011 by kobewan69 because: (no reason given)

Just for you reference, the red and green lights are referred to port and starboard lights. Port = red. Starboard = Green.

It's mainly navigational, and so people can easily work out the general direction of a boat leaving or entering different areas of water such as harbours etc. Few other reasons such as right of way, though there's no rules on the water and ATC sorts it all out in the sky.



Airplanes just having green, white and red lights didn't cut it for me! Haha.

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I didnt see any lights other that bright white lights and these where really bright the phone dimed the lights down it seems and the lights also appeared closer and brighter. I actually spoke with another friend who said he saw the lights from the east and he was about 8 miles away and he didnt see any colored lights he did see them descend down towards the airport but they were way past it as well.

Thanks for all the help It has given me something to look into more but I am not convinced that either these were gov. craft ( which I still would like know why they where here) or the "sexy" pic and say they were not of earthly origin but I know these werent cessnas they are a white lighted vertical take off hovering craft. that is quite.

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thanks for the addons

Originally posted by TheRemedial
Not sure about the images. The link to the Dark Kn1ght thread made me click for some odd reason and there was something described by the OP of that thread that I have witnessed and been rattled by now twice. I have seen the lights in the sky on a few occasions and they "danced" to a point. One of these nights (2010) 3 were together and split up, I watched one (the last one visible) and it swooped down extremely fast and then stopped...It then ascended again but the light was so brilliant so fast I took a step back. The next time was not more then a week and a half ago where I saw but only one swoop down (and ascended) on a night where I saw over a dozen of them.

They looked like these found on youtube.

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Interesting. I have watched similar stuff over my house for years. Usually right at sundown. 3, sometimes more, or less, of what appear to be sats will file out in a row across the sky. All directions I have seen them come from. Some will take positions as Stars, and the others sometimes vector, or hold course, and keep going.

I have watched these things all night long some nights. The ones that take position will stay there all night, and move with the rotation of the Earth, as if they are stars. Sometimes they will break their position, and dance around like you say. One night about 4 in the morning or so, I was watching the sky, and suddenly 2 "stars", started to dance like you say, and one of them started to emit a stream of light down to towards my position. It looked as if the sun was shinning on them, however it was not the sun, and I was facing East, and the shine was directed West, so there is no way it could have been the sun reflecting. And it only reflected for about 5 seconds or so.

One night as well I also observed what appeared to be a trsb pass directly over my house. There were two light on the bottom. At first I thought it was just stars, but then noticed movement. It was about 5-10 thousand feet, and silent. There was no moon that night, so I could not make out a silhouette, but the lights that were dimmed; or what appeared to dim, did so as it went over, and the shine from them was directly downward..

reply to post by HermitShip


I just know there is something that I can not explain going on up there on occasion. I used "danced" as it was how it was described by the poster I was replying to but maneuvering would be more accurate. I am not talking about aerobatics type maneuvering but the occasional weaving between each other (one time event). Usually they travel in relatively straight lines but vary speed and make apparent course corrections.

Not much more I can add other then I think it may be gov. test craft because it isn't ball lightning or weather balloons etc. Never a blinking light or so much as a flicker from the object.

reply to post by HermitShip


Wow, with descriptions like that, I again have to go to the words of Dark Knight and his thread about getting away from population centers when the stars begin to dance around the sky. Odd, for some reason I keep reading about these kinds of things happening, and I find myself going back to that thread and seeing how the current occurences closely resemble the things he mentioned in that thread. Who knows, maybe I just enjoyed that thread and find ways to relate to it, but I don't think that is the case. Anyone else think along these lines with what is going on these days?

reply to post by SkepticOverlord


There are lots of videos on the net and on here of events just like this one and lots seem to have similarities, filmed at night, poor quality, some distance from the lights and many are near built up areas or airports!

Then you have the comments by the people who are shooting the video usually about the lights being ufo's nothing else could explain it etc etc.

The question I always ask myself when I see videos like this which seem to be near or above built up areas, why when this event was taking place do people closer or even directly below the lights never seem to video them?

Is that because anyone in those locations see they are just planes, laterns etc and not ufo's.

I wonder if we will ever see an event like this with the usual video from a hill side above the area and some actual video from below the lights!

reply to post by wmd_2008




I was in the desert and the truck I was using was not mine. I was close enough to know that they were not planes they did hover and they didnt have any red or green lights. and also when you film things they appear further than they really are. i listed the address earlier and go to google earth i went as far out as i could. Believe me had I known I would see lights like those I would have gotten a better camera ( this was taken on my iphone 4) and I would have been prepared.



also I never said that they were aliens I said I want to know what it was because these were not cessna aircraft and these where silent less than 2 miles away.

Originally posted by mbaca3570
reply to post by wmd_2008

 

also I never said that they were aliens I said I want to know what it was because these were not cessna aircraft and these where silent less than 2 miles away.

edit on 12-8-2011 by mbaca3570 because: more info

I was wondering when you would have to point out that you never said they were aliens. : )


Please keep posting anything new you learn.