Appeals court rules Rumsfeld can be held liable for torture of U.S. civilians in Iraq

If you were to look into the face of pure evil, this is what you would see:

The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit on Monday refused to dismiss a lawsuit against former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld for creating policies that caused American civilians to be tortured by the U.S. military in Iraq.

In a 2 to 1 decision, the court ruled that the lawsuit filed by Donald Vance and Nathan Ertel, two American citizens who were allegedly tortured at a U.S. military prison in Iraq in 2006, provided adequate evidence that Rumsfeld was personally responsible for their treatment and that Rumsfeld was not entitled to qualified immunity.

"If the plaintiffs’ allegations are true, two young American civilians were trying to do the right thing by becoming whistleblowers to the U.S. government, but found themselves detained in prison and tortured by their own government, without notice to their families and with no sign of when the harsh physical and psychological abuse would end," they wrote their decision.

This guy isn't content with just torturing "terrorists." Apparently he has to torture his own men. Rummy is the very definition of a psychopath.

In the middle of the night, they were arrested, handcuffed, blindfolded and transferred to Camp Prosperity, where they claim to have been held in solitary confinement for two days and threatened with "excessive force."

Vance and Ertel were then transferred to Camp Cropper, where they were allegedly psychologically and physically tortured for the duration of their imprisonment.

They were both kept in solitary confinement. Their cells were kept intolerably cold and the lights were never turned off. Both men slept on a concrete slab. Guards would wake them if they were ever caught sleeping and blast heavy metal music into their cells at "intolerably-loud volumes." The two men were also allegedly slammed into concrete walls while blindfolded.

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So when are we going to see him charged for war crimes... Anyone wanna place bets?

In the middle of the night, they were arrested, handcuffed, blindfolded and transferred to Camp Prosperity...

With a name like, Camp Prosperity, it couldn't have been all that bad?

Take Rummy, both Bush's & Cheney and hang them by the neck until they are dead....& then hang them again for good "prosperity"

This is what Donald Rumsfeld says about Building 7, by the way:

So there is still some hope left in the system, interesting...

The former Bush and current Obama administration have tried to have the case dismissed.

Of course they want the case dismissed. If this goes to trial and Rumsfeld is found liable, it could open the gate for the Bush/Cheney mob and other government criminals to be prosecuted.

This isn’t the first case against Rumsfeldt. In this article, the Obama administration claims that government officials can’t be held accountable for their decisions, which is blatantly untrue.

In this case, originally filed in 2008, Judge Gwin considered a similar argument from the Obama administration: that a former official cannot be sued for their actions in any official capacity.

Any government official is ultimately responsible to the American people for their decisions.

Originally posted by kwakakev
So there is still some hope left in the system, interesting...

I hope so as well. The question is: will this just disapear? I know they can make people 'disapear' as well.

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will this just disapear? I know they can make people 'disapear' as well.

There are lots of stories around of this happening, but what Rumsfeld and his buddies have done to the US and the world is not easily forgotten. More and more people are waking up to it and it just sends out the wrong message to generations of people to let this go unaddressed.

Rumsfeld's lawyers are gonna try everything to get the appeals court to drop this.If this gets anywhere then the DOJ will step in.

They'll bring it to trial and he'll win, setting precedence so that the rest of the bush/cheney kabal won't hang....he's the sacrificial anode.....

Originally posted by mike dangerously
Rumsfeld's lawyers are gonna try everything to get the appeals court to drop this.If this gets anywhere then the DOJ will step in.

They already have. This was the appeals court's decision.

The decision in 92 pages long, and I havnt gone thrugh all of it yet, probably wont get it done tnight either, but the appeals court was deciding on whether or not to dimiss the case. They found 2-1 that the plaintiffs have met their burden to present a case, but did not rule of whether or not the allegations r specific pieces of evidence are enough to meet the burden to win the suit.

This will be kicked back down to the lower court where it was originally filed and proceed.

Can be help liable and will be held liable are two very, very different things. What I find interesting is that the current administration is on Rummy's side in this. What will the anti-Bush and friends crowd say when they find out that their savior is actually getting behind these guys?

Torture is any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in, or incidental to, lawful sanctions.

A judge has decided to permit a case filed by an Army veteran who was detained and tortured by the United States Army in Iraq. The lawsuit personally targets former defense secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld. Judge allows Rumsfeld torture lawsuit to proceed. It is right to continue the lawsuit as Rumsfeld held personally responsible. He must be punished for his acts and must learn his lessons.

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funtastic

Originally posted by remieB
Torture is any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in, or incidental to, lawful sanctions.

A judge has decided to permit a case filed by an Army veteran who was detained and tortured by the United States Army in Iraq. The lawsuit personally targets former defense secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld. Judge allows Rumsfeld torture lawsuit to proceed. It is right to continue the lawsuit as Rumsfeld held personally responsible. He must be punished for his acts and must learn his lessons.

and why was he tortured? he must have done something bad!


why was he arrested? detained? or just happened to be in the wrong frikkin place at the wrong time?

is this the court that gives child molesters 3 months probation?

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You all know that this will not go anywhere, but I admire your optimism. This is just a show, to make the people of America trust the system again, the system which has miserably failed.

Put your bets now, this will go nowhere, just a show, a circus show.

Originally posted by confreak
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You all know that this will not go anywhere, but I admire your optimism. This is just a show, to make the people of America trust the system again, the system which has miserably failed.

Put your bets now, this will go nowhere, just a show, a circus show.

I almost doubt that it will even make it to court, and probably be dismissed before hand, or even, a closed door settlement to keep them quiet.

I doubt it will go much further .

Although I hope it does.

We shall have to just wait and see how this unfolds.

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Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
If you were to look into the face of pure evil, this is what you would see:

That is quite evil, but check this out:

Resistance is futile.

As much as we would all love to see justice for these 2 men, it will not come to be. The world is so far from how it should be. The U.S. is even farther than what it is SUPPOSED to be.

Originally posted by gladtobehere
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Originally posted by v1rtu0s0
If you were to look into the face of pure evil, this is what you would see:

That is quite evil, but check this out:

Well played, sir. Well..........played.


That picture is actually quite scary....