Londons BURNING!

I think you're all reading it wrong. I don't think he means national service (Army) for the youngstrers involved in the looting.

I think he means there should be a frickin minutes silence or an actual burial service for the kid that was shot that sparked the whole thing off. Probably televised and broadcast to the nation.

Who shot the kid? Why?

Originally posted by X-Pensive Trash
Seems there was a brawl in Birmingham between the yobs and a group of Asian youths trying to ward them off. Reports saying three Asians were struck by a vehicle, 2 of whom have now died. Very sad that it's come to this.

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Originally posted by Maluhia
Don't know if this was already posted - Poor guy was just trying to help.

A man who tried to put out a fire that was started by rioters in west London was left with life-threatening injuries after they attacked him... the victim intervened to extinguish a fire started in a bin...

Officers managed to reach the man to administer first aid and then had to ensure the safety of paramedics who attended despite coming under fire from projectiles, the police said.

If the government doesn't bring this whole situation to a complete halt in the next day or two it could fall. Lesser riots have brought down a number of previous leaders/administrations.

And the longer this goes on the greater the danger extremist parties and draconian solutions will come to the fore.

It really is crucial that the present incumbents unite on dealing with this crisis as opposed to taking the opportunity for points-scoring, for the good of the country as a whole. It would be oh so easy to see the opportunity to kick the government while it is down, so to speak, and turn the situation to political advantage.

Tomorrow in parliament we will see what this generation of politicians is really made of.

But what is even more concerning is that the rot we now seen has taken decades to fester and finally manifest itself in all its glory. The extremists will offer a quick solution to societal breakdown, while the reality is there isn't one.

So let's hope the politicians get a grip in the short term. Otherwise they could be handing power to those who wish to divide society even further. And that's when Enoch Powell's prophecies really could come true...

Originally posted by 2012king

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

Originally posted by McGinty
Mayor of London just said in radio interview (BBC Radio 4) that we should have a National Service for the youngster.

Hate to say i told you so, but....

I think that after these riots have calmed down (if) then you will see that sentencing these youths will most likely be to the Army!!!

At least there they can vent their anger at an enemy!!

What i think these events could do though is make people see exacty what the cause is.... and i think it comes down to 'the cost of living'.... things need to be put into perspective!!

Would you want the same people that obviously dont care about our country if they are willing to smash it up, out in the forces protecting it?
I wouldnt.....

They would trained and disciplined to learn how and when to fight an Enemy?

If i was in my teens thats probably where i'd go to vent my anger!! (That is of course if i hadn't joined in with a street gang as i'd probably not have a job either in the current cimate)

Originally posted by RMFX1
I think you're all reading it wrong. I don't think he means national service (Army) for the youngstrers involved in the looting.

I think he means there should be a frickin minutes silence or an actual burial service for the kid that was shot that sparked the whole thing off. Probably televised and broadcast to the nation.

I don't feel i'm reading it wrong at all

Cameron – who did not respond directly to the mayor's suggestion – suggested teenagers participating in the scheme could do some service with the armed forces.

"It might have a military side. The military are keen to get involved," he added.

Link here

www.guardian.co.uk...

You read this how ?

PM has just allowed use of water cannon in the UK - to be available within 24 hours notice - Sky News speech atm

I cant believe they have not talked about restorative justice, where looters and rioters are forced to clean up and repair the damages. They must also be forced to meet the people who's lives they have destroyed. Prison should be used for those who committed the worst acts should go to jail, but there needs to be some pay back to the community. Some realisation of how their actions have damaged their own communities.

Unfortunately if the majority of them end up in prison (don't think there is any space left in the prisons anyway from what I have heard) they will learn skills to become proper criminals and come out worse

reply to post by DevilsApprentice


Well, I was going on McGinty's post where he said:

Mayor of London just said in radio interview (BBC Radio 4) that we should have a National Service for the youngster. Hate to say i told you so, but....

Implying that it was a service, for one person.

If you carry a gun on a place where a gun is banned then die by the gun - CHAT OVER.

I dont give a fek about him, I dont own a gun, if the police knock on my door my pen is my sword, OK sometimes they get it wrong, but if getting it wrong means carrying a gun, then shoot us all.

As for the looters, deploy water cannons and plastic bullets, no problem with it. I dont think they should be locked up, just hurt, tear gas, plastic bullets and water cannons.

Hospitals should be banned from treating them without a 200 quid down payment.

Kids follow crouds, they are like dogs, treat them like dogs, whip them or smash them with a rolled up newspaper until they conform.

We are blowing this out of proportion, these kids need an legal slap and I hope it comes in the form of CS gas and a plastic bullet.

As for the dead #, dont carry a gun and you will be ok, regardless of wheather you shoot it. Dikhead.

ps. i dont treat my kids like that, put the comment into perspective, I gave them right and wrong lessons, but if i though they were looting and joining in,..

What we are witnessing is the direct consequence of the economic/monetary system we are forced to live under.
This is just the beginning. Get ready.
The death of money is the only thing that will end this, and it probably isn't going to end nicely.
Until that happens, I'll be quietly cheering from as far away as I can get.
The worse it gets, the quicker it will be over. It's like ripping off a plaster, lol
My 2c

Originally posted by serendipity59
Last night my youngest son and his friend both 15 yrs old recieved a blackberry announcement things ( sorry not sure if that is the right term as I am not up on all this technology) telling them to meet at the local Mcdonalds as they were gonna all start kicking off there and go on round the town center, luckily my son had his head screwed on and showed me.

I drove down to mcdonalds and grabbed 3 of his school friends who were already there, and took them home the police were already on the scene and had thrown the group of thugs out of mcdonalds by the time I got there.

Now these were not dissafected youth of today, living in poverty ect like everyone including the media are trying to make out, in fact one of the boys I delivered home is from a very well to do family,

Turns out that the kids were being encited to join in and riot by a 20 odd year old man, who has now been arrested.

this time yesterday I was all for water cannons and ruber bullets but after last night I must say I have changed my mind. Not because I dont think they deserve it but because I think that using severe force on them will only cause more outrage, I mean could you imaging the backlash if someones precious little darling got hurt by a rubber bullet?

Disclaimer: that said I still personally would have no problem with rubber bulleting the little scrotes

edit on 10-8-2011 by serendipity59 because: added more

I always had a bad feeling about facebook and twitter, hey thanks guys for giving these little dicks a way of communication.
This is in no way amusing story,but i did here a story about a guy who looted a 3d tv,having forgotten the remote control, he went back to get it and got arrested by the police.,

Also, everyone complains about taxes, so the police are under staffed, the schools are under funded and every loser parent is given a baby bonus and welfare encouraging them to BREED and the parents who can afford kids are removed of any discipline they could have.

We are just baking a nightmare that is starting to unfold.

Wake up you morons...this is just the start, use your vote wisely and if you cant find a sensible party, start your own or else put up with the high insurance and the steel bars keeping you safe, locked in your own home.

You need to pay tax for police, you need to pay tax for schools, you need a justice system that allows discipline, you need prisons, you need less 'lovey dovey' liberal crap, you need tougher immigration.

Does that exist in a political party? Have you searched further than the main stream media?

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

Originally posted by 2012king

Originally posted by TruthxIsxInxThexMist

Originally posted by McGinty
Mayor of London just said in radio interview (BBC Radio 4) that we should have a National Service for the youngster.

Hate to say i told you so, but....

I think that after these riots have calmed down (if) then you will see that sentencing these youths will most likely be to the Army!!!

At least there they can vent their anger at an enemy!!

What i think these events could do though is make people see exacty what the cause is.... and i think it comes down to 'the cost of living'.... things need to be put into perspective!!

Would you want the same people that obviously dont care about our country if they are willing to smash it up, out in the forces protecting it?
I wouldnt.....

They would trained and disciplined to learn how and when to fight an Enemy?

If i was in my teens thats probably where i'd go to vent my anger!! (That is of course if i hadn't joined in with a street gang as i'd probably not have a job either in the current cimate)

edit on 10-8-2011 by TruthxIsxInxThexMist because: (no reason given)

But then when they left the forces they would be trained thugs.
The truth is most of these people act like big men when they are with a group of friends, but show them a bit of real action and they would turn into scared little boys. I have seen first hand how a gobby youth with his friends, when seperated starts crying when he realises he is on his own. Not really the right type of person to be given a position of responsibility and a weapon, and definately not the sort of person i want out on the front line fighting and keeping safe my friends and relatives out there.

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The problem with that is , in order to start a political party and have it recognized by the houses of parliament you need to pay a massive bill to start up !
In this climate how many people have that spare cash to start a party , hardly any .
Thing is its not a proper democracy if you have to pay to have your political agenda akcnowledged by the populous in a legal setting !

Originally posted by RogerT
What we are witnessing is the direct consequence of the economic/monetary system we are forced to live under.
This is just the beginning. Get ready.
The death of money is the only thing that will end this, and it probably isn't going to end nicely.
Until that happens, I'll be quietly cheering from as far away as I can get.
The worse it gets, the quicker it will be over. It's like ripping off a plaster, lol
My 2c

It has nothing to do with that.

What you are witnessing is a lack of discipline, an open door policy to foreigners before our own interest and piss poower management of the UK economy which is vast.

Nurses and doctors, foreign students who take their skills abroad for more money accepted in college ahead of even the most academically enept son or daughter of a UK tax payer.

Parents, teachers, prison officers and police, stripped of any power to discipline.

Correctional facilities, stripped of any cash to be able to discipline offenders, correct anyone or perform the task they are supposed to be doing.

Courts, stripped of the ability to pass proper sentences due to all of the above.

This is purely the tip of the melting iceberg, Britain has created a melting pot of problems trying to be so good so they have shafted everyone, the birds are coming home to roost Britain, mainly england and i am english, wonder if Belfast, Dublin, Glasgow and Edinborough will follow the melting pot of england?

You brought this on, dont blame the scum rioting, this is all of yours mess.

Fekn LOL at you all.

reply to post by MisterBurns


Two attempts at riots in Glasgow and Dundee were thwarted by friends and family of people on facebook trying to organise a riot in each city ! They were reported to the police and were promptly arrested.

I think In Scotland , people are not going to take any of this rioting nonsense from any of our youths.
I think that if any riots start in scotland , those who are opposed to it will most likely " set about " the rioters and fight them back. I know a few friends who own shops in the city of Glasgow where I live , they would certainly not stand Idly by whilst young boys smash up their shops. They would most likely call upon their friends to join them to defend their property and businesses. Im sure the same would go for anyone in Glasgow.

This has been an epic thread, It looks to me as if the 'Pied Piper of Hamlyn' got what he wanted : people visciously calling children 'scum' and 'feral rats' . Shocking comments on aol news report this morning> and I mean shocking. 'Kill em all..' etc actually being written there by people>I cant beleive it.

I'd be making a long old list of many more people who should be dragged before the courts under the racial and religious hatred act . They are the ones I really would call scum > they've actually got no idea what is really going on, and leap into judgements against others WITHOUT the facts, as soon as they feel 'safe' to do so.
I am appauled at the state of society > so many ignorant idiots!

How do they know this wasnt organised by Ghadaffi : who said he would do something like this? < its only a potential explanation. Think before you speak > that was always drilled into me. Some of these people want their gobs stuffing w glue!
*rant over*

reply to post by MisterBurns


You are referring to what would ordinarily be considered a populist/nationalist type of political party. It is generally against laissez-faire capitalism and large immigration while carrying a populist social message.


Here are a couple UK political parties that you may be interested in:

National Liberal Party – The Third Way
Popular Alliance
And the always controversial…
British National Party

reply to post by MisterBurns


What happened to Wales on your list? It kicked off there last night too so it's hardly just England any more. It's also interesting that you claim to be English yet keep using Irish dialect, hmmm.

It's funny, in the small hours of this morning this thread appears to have been hijacked by those with a clear agenda, often blaming multiculturalism and liberalism (hello, we're under a conservative government after a global recession brought about by right-wing corporate bodies), even when the first brave citizens protecting communities have largely been from ethnic minorities.

Don't attempt to turn this into a race war, shame on you all.