GeoEngineering Mars and Venus

What if we detonated nuclear weapons around Mars and Venus to give them radiation belts?

Our radiation belt deflects the suns energy and allows life on Earth. What if we deflected some of the energy from Mars and Venus?

They would cool down, the energy would be directed at their planets poles causing an increased magnetic field to enable life.

If Venus was cooled down, its carbon dioxide atmosphere would be turned to oxygen after we got it cool enough to support life. (algae..etc)

So why isn't the United States/Russia/ and China GeoForming Mars and Venus?? It's CHEAP, we already have the tools to do it.

We could get the world to calm down and come together to create our new worlds. Why isn't Obama pushing this??

Our nuclear weapons can be used to turn Mars and Venus into habitable planets.

It costs something like 20 million for a one-person ticket to ride in a space shuttle. Plus months of training. Even if other planets become habitable, then how do we start getting people over there?
And then next, who would even want to go over there? It'd then take hundreds of years for scientists to test everything for safety, record earthquake levels, bring over raw resources, etc.
And I don't think anyone would "prefer" leaving earth. No one wants to willingly leave their friends, jobs, favorite restaurants, fast wireless internet, TV, etc. What do you do when you run out of toilet paper? Fly back to earth?
And what about an economy over there? Who's dollar system would be recognized?
With farming, the cost to fly back a thousand pounds of corn would cost millions of dollars. That doesn't sound reasonable to me.
It's just not as easy as you make it sound. Way too impractical. Maybe in another couple thousand years

reply to post by Pervius


I'm not sure it is as simple or cheap as all that. Getting a load to Mars or Venus would be expensive, Setting up the correct monitoring would be expensive.

Also we aren't positive there isn't already life on either of these planets and this could destroy any micro biology on either planet that could have expanded our knowledge about life in the universe works a million fold...

Your one of those guys who wants to cultivate the rain forest aren't you? This is the same concept. Make something useful for immediate gratification at the risk of destroying a future use that we don't understand.

Originally posted by QuantumPhysicist
It costs something like 20 million for a one-person ticket to ride in a space shuttle. Plus months of training. Even if other planets become habitable, then how do we start getting people over there?
And then next, who would even want to go over there? It'd then take hundreds of years for scientists to test everything for safety, record earthquake levels, bring over raw resources, etc.
And I don't think anyone would "prefer" leaving earth. No one wants to willingly leave their friends, jobs, favorite restaurants, fast wireless internet, TV, etc. What do you do when you run out of toilet paper? Fly back to earth?
And what about an economy over there? Who's dollar system would be recognized?
It's just not as easy as you make it sound. Way too impractical. Maybe in another couple thousand years

not only that.. but just cause u hypothesize somethuing doesnt mean it would work just cause u bomb something doesnt mean youd give it a nuclear belt.. and why spend money on something that doesnt have to be done.. ?
also i doubt ppl will ever go into space.. simple caus ethere been so many lies and cover ups youd probly see a diff part of what nasa claims happens.. youd probly see ufo.. structures on the moon and etc..

Love it, no taxes on mars:-) I'm in

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Because it costs a lot of money and it would take more then 200,000 years to even see a noticeable difference as well as you need a specific kind of radiation to do a certain job, plus you won't be able to maintain it, because the magnetosphere is being hammered everyday, the core wouldn't sustain it.

However, good train of thought

Jamie.

The radiation belts are a by product of interaction between the earth's magnetosphere,
atmosphere, solar wind and cosmic rays from deep space. Detonating nuclear weapons to
kick start them on another planet would be about as effective as throwing a fire cracker at
yellowstone to make it erupt. The kind of terra forming your talking about requires technology
far more advanced than anything we have at the moment and will remain the stuff of sci-fi
for at least another 500 years of more. Its nice to dream about such things though

reply to post by Pervius

Nukes have nothing to do with a magnetic field. You cannot create a magnetic field by detonating nukes as it is created by the core of the planet.

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I think they are already working on this and have been sending oxygen generating plant life to Mars. I believe they have realized that with the new particles they have found new things we are not kept informed about they will be able to travel long distances in the near future.
As far as i know no one debunked the long bunker like, silver building that looks like the experimental habits we have designed already on Mars surface. Who knows we are not kept informed.
I also believe that many, many people would like to be the pioneers that start colonizing hardships or not.

Earth has more than 1 Radiation Belt.


We also have artificial radiation belts created by setting off nuclear bombs in space around our planet. Plus that nuclear reactored Snap10a satellite that went out of control and spewing radiation around our planet.

Google "radiation belt remediation".

NASA/DOD did that Satellite-tether experiment in 1992 with the shuttle to study getting rid of the radiation belt by receiving the charged particles and discharging them to Earth's atmosphere. New Zealand protested.

www.tethers.com...
They got a contract in January to put a satellite up there with a tether to "remediate" our artificial radiation belts we created and discharge the energy.

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They're sending oxygen generating plants to mars? Now I've heard everything.

Originally posted by adeclerk
reply to post by Char-Lee

 

They're sending oxygen generating plants to mars? Now I've heard everything.

Why not? Is it because you think you would be told that they spent tax dollars for their fun experiments? We can see there is some kind of seasonal plant growth for sure at the poles maybe our scientists sent them. There are extreme plants that could live and generate more oxygen in the atmosphere year after year.

"Scientists began to think seriously about terraforming in the 1960s, when Carl Sagan published several articles dealing with the possibility of terraforming Venus. Terraforming Mars has been the major subject of research of two of our panelists tonight, Dr. Chris McKay and Dr. Jim Kasting, since the 1970s."
www.astrobio.net...

Originally posted by Char-Lee
Why not? Is it because you think you would be told that they spent tax dollars for their fun experiments?

Oh no, that statement has made your claim unfalsifiable. The first indication that you aren't thinking critically.

Originally posted by Char-Lee
We can see there is some kind of seasonal plant growth for sure at the poles maybe our scientists sent them.

No we are not seeing any plant life on the poles. If we were, that would be huge news. If scientists sent them, we would know. Science tries to be pretty transparent in funding and experimentation (there aren't any plants).

Originally posted by Char-Lee
There are extreme plants that could live and generate more oxygen in the atmosphere year after year.

Could you give some examples of extreme plants that could survive the radiation and lack of soil nutrients on mars?

Originally posted by Char-Lee
"Scientists began to think seriously about terraforming in the 1960s, when Carl Sagan published several articles dealing with the possibility of terraforming Venus. Terraforming Mars has been the major subject of research of two of our panelists tonight, Dr. Chris McKay and Dr. Jim Kasting, since the 1970s."
www.astrobio.net...

Key word in bold. It's all talk.

Originally posted by Pervius
NASA/DOD did that Satellite-tether experiment in 1992 with the shuttle to study getting rid of the radiation belt by receiving the charged particles and discharging them to Earth's atmosphere. New Zealand protested.

Got any actual information on this??

Possibly you are refering to eth TSS-1 NASA/Italian experimetn that failed to deploy properly?? Here's some details - space.skyrocket.de...

there have been a lot of tethered satellite experiments both before and since - en.wikipedia.org...

The "New Zealand" protest was not really anything of the sort - some New Zealand, British and Finnish scientists publised a paper highlighting potential problems with changing the radiation belts - which DARPA was at least exploring the possiblity of to protect satellites from their effects - see www.physics.otago.ac.nz...

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It all depends on who you believe. I saw water on mars now they are saying the same thing I saw was in fact water. I see plants..we will see. take a look at these few pictures there are so many others...note caption...The location and shape of the spots poses challenges for a non-biological explanation. (A) Spots develop on the dark dunes rather than on the stony soil nearby. (B) Spots are also elliptical in shape or even (C) fan-shaped. Credit: NASA/JPL/Malin Space Science Systems
www.daviddarling.info...

articles.latimes.com...
Mars soil capable of sustaining plant life
The Nation
Surprisingly alkaline, it could support green beans and asparagus, 'flabbergasted' scientists say.


A separate recent claim of Martian vegetation came from Carol Stoker and Pascal Ashwanden, both of NASA Ames Research Center, who reported the following at a poster session of the Second Astrobiology Science Conference at NASA Ames Research Center in April 2002:
The Superpan, an image product from the Pathfinder lander camera, is a multispectral panorama of the Pathfinder landing site acquired in 15 wavelengths in the spectral range 440-1100 nm. We have performed an automated search of the Superpan image cubes for the spectral signature associated with chlorophyll. First, images were calibrated to radiance values and then the multispectral images were co-registered to subpixel accuracy. An automated pixel-to-pixel search was performed on a 3-filter set of images (530 nm, 670 nm, 980 nm) to identify pixels where the following condition was met: 530 nm > 670 nm, and 980nm > 670 nm. Thus, we searched for the spectral signature associated with red light absorption by chlorophyll. When this case was met by the search routine, we plotted a full spectrum for the involved pixels and carefully examined the images. The condition was met for small areas in six image cases. All of these cases occur in near field images, where resolution is highest. Four of the cases occur on the spacecraft and appear to be associated with spacecraft structure. Two intriguing cases occur in small areas on the ground near the spacecraft.
www.daviddarling.info...

so now "we" are trusting information from NASA??

Your forgetting the most important reason we don't do it.

There's no reason too.

Originally posted by Char-Lee
reply to post by adeclerk
Is it because you think you would be told that they spent tax dollars for their fun experiments?

Originally posted by Char-Lee
reply to post by adeclerk
articles.latimes.com...
Mars soil capable of sustaining plant life
The Nation
Surprisingly alkaline, it could support green beans and asparagus, 'flabbergasted' scientists say.


A separate recent claim of Martian vegetation came from Carol Stoker and Pascal Ashwanden, both of NASA Ames Research Center, who reported the following at a poster session of the Second Astrobiology Science Conference at NASA Ames Research Center in April 2002:
The Superpan, an image product from the Pathfinder lander camera, is a multispectral panorama of the Pathfinder landing site acquired in 15 wavelengths in the spectral range 440-1100 nm. We have performed an automated search of the Superpan image cubes for the spectral signature associated with chlorophyll. First, images were calibrated to radiance values and then the multispectral images were co-registered to subpixel accuracy. An automated pixel-to-pixel search was performed on a 3-filter set of images (530 nm, 670 nm, 980 nm) to identify pixels where the following condition was met: 530 nm > 670 nm, and 980nm > 670 nm. Thus, we searched for the spectral signature associated with red light absorption by chlorophyll. When this case was met by the search routine, we plotted a full spectrum for the involved pixels and carefully examined the images. The condition was met for small areas in six image cases. All of these cases occur in near field images, where resolution is highest. Four of the cases occur on the spacecraft and appear to be associated with spacecraft structure. Two intriguing cases occur in small areas on the ground near the spacecraft.
www.daviddarling.info...

So are they or aren't they telling us? Interesting that your "nasa ames" source came from daviddarling.info. Sounds reputable.

In the future, you might want to form opinions/posts based on evidence.

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They're sending oxygen generating plants to mars? Now I've heard everything.

LMAO!

That makes two of us!

Venus does have what is called an Induced Magnetic Field that protects its incredibly thick atmosphere from the worst of the solar wind. At around 50 km above the surface of Venus the atmosphere reaches conditions that are more Earth like than anywhere else in the Solar System.