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reply to post by Haxsaw

Muslims believe in the same prophets as the jews and christians, including Jesus. So you're attempt at sarcasm is really just showing your ignorance.

There are plenty of jew muslims too, believe it or not.

I would be happy to admit my ignorance of this.
Do you think you could be thinking of Arab Jews? Those are Jews who are Arabic speakers living in Arab countries. Why don't you fill us in a bit on Muslim Jews, it sounds very intriguing.

reply to post by Haxsaw


You wrote:

["Muslims believe in the same prophets as the jews and christians, including Jesus. So you're attempt at sarcasm is really just showing your ignorance."]

I solemny promise not to be sarcastic, but approach your statement from a serious direction (though I must admit to some uncertainty about your basic position, so it's difficult to meet you wherever you are).

I'm all for syncretism, i.e. putting things together in greater meaningful patterns, but syncretism is a 'tool' to be used with the outmost care. And in theism it's unfortunately often used in irrational versions.

Either 'cutting a heel and cutting a toe' where the various components of a syncretistic totality have to be 'adapted' first to arrive at the predetermined answer.

Alternatively by creating socalled inductive categories, where things are similar to some extent, and this is mistakenly believed to be the same as 'identical'. So A looks like B, and from there an artificial equation A = B is fabricated.

And first of all I doubt, that this quote from you has anything to do with end-of-days prophecies (but digressions happen), and secondly I fail to see your conclusion as valid, and even if it is, what it leads to. You may enlighten me on the details.

reply to post by jmdewey60



no its the same lot just with an Arabic version of the names
en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by WeAreNothingWithoutGOD


That's your answer?
I am not an atheist.

Why not try to act a little human?
It is what God wants from you.
He does not want you to sit reading a book all day.

He wants you to reach people.
Copying and re-copying words you can't understand yourself...will not reach people.

Many humans can't read.

Originally posted by Haxsaw

Originally posted by ExistentialNightmare

Originally posted by Haxsaw
The jews cant wait for their antichrist to come hey, lucky you christians know that they are from their father the devil from reading your bible, oh wait hang on most christains support the jews, hmmmm, blind much. Looks like the muslims are going to be the ones following Jesus.

edit on 6-8-2011 by Haxsaw because: (no reason given)

Muslims following Jesus? Oh right, i see, because the Muslims love the jews. I see.

Muslims believe in the same prophets as the jews and christians, including Jesus. So you're attempt at sarcasm is really just showing your ignorance.

There are plenty of jew muslims too, believe it or not.

I know that there is dispute over Israel/Palestine because the "holy" land was promised in the scriptures (both Islam and Juduism; the Quran and the Torah) That's why they're fighting, killing each other's children etc.

Jew-Muslims?

What next? Hindu-Christians? Mormon-Scientologists?

How's that for Saracsm?

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Haxsaw

 

Muslims believe in the same prophets as the jews and christians, including Jesus. So you're attempt at sarcasm is really just showing your ignorance.

There are plenty of jew muslims too, believe it or not.

I would be happy to admit my ignorance of this.
Do you think you could be thinking of Arab Jews? Those are Jews who are Arabic speakers living in Arab countries. Why don't you fill us in a bit on Muslim Jews, it sounds very intriguing.

www.jews-for-allah.org...

Definitely talking about jews who have become Muslims, NOT non-muslim arab jews. The above site is a starting point, there's plenty of other Jews not affiliated with that site who have become Muslim, google it if you're interested.

Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by Haxsaw

 

You wrote:

["Muslims believe in the same prophets as the jews and christians, including Jesus. So you're attempt at sarcasm is really just showing your ignorance."]

I solemny promise not to be sarcastic, but approach your statement from a serious direction (though I must admit to some uncertainty about your basic position, so it's difficult to meet you wherever you are).

I'm all for syncretism, i.e. putting things together in greater meaningful patterns, but syncretism is a 'tool' to be used with the outmost care. And in theism it's unfortunately often used in irrational versions.

Either 'cutting a heel and cutting a toe' where the various components of a syncretistic totality have to be 'adapted' first to arrive at the predetermined answer.

Alternatively by creating socalled inductive categories, where things are similar to some extent, and this is mistakenly believed to be the same as 'identical'. So A looks like B, and from there an artificial equation A = B is fabricated.

And first of all I doubt, that this quote from you has anything to do with end-of-days prophecies (but digressions happen), and secondly I fail to see your conclusion as valid, and even if it is, what it leads to. You may enlighten me on the details.

edit on 7-8-2011 by bogomil because: addition

Anything I've said can be found from multiple sources. Muslims believe(and love) the same prophets that christians and jews do, the main difference being that Muslims believe that Mohommed was the last prophet, but that Jesus(Isa in arabic) will return in the last days and that all the muslims will follow him. Muslims believe Jesus(Isa) was born miraculously(no human father) and that he is the messiah(saviour), but Muslims do not belive Jesus is GOD. Muslims believe that no man shall see GOD and live, their would be no test in life if you've already seen GOD. Muslims dont believe in 3 gods in 1, nor 1000 gods in 1 for that matter, Muslims believe in ONE UNSEEN GOD, the same GOD Jesus and all the prophets prayed to. Bottom line is that Muslims will follow Jesus when he returns and destroys the antichrist, and those who believe that man can be GOD will be following the antichrist because the only one calling himself GOD will be the antichrist, not Jesus. Therefore I conclude that the jews and the mis-guided christians who think a man can be GOD(which is most of them) will end up following the antichrist and not Jesus. I added the quote from the bible where Jesus calls the jews "from their father the devil" to show you who most jews will be following, as clearly the most jews dont follow/believe Jesus.

reply to post by Haxsaw


I can discern YOUR position now. Thank you.

However you are still not clear in your (what I take to be) syncretistic approach. You have brought up similarities, but abstained from the differences.

This is in logic called creating a false category (inductive category), and while you may have more sound reasons from elsewhere for your opinions, this is not one. At least not for anyone using standard logic.

Originally posted by bogomil
reply to post by Haxsaw

 

I can discern YOUR position now. Thank you.

However you are still not clear in your (what I take to be) syncretistic approach. You have brought up similarities, but abstained from the differences.

This is in logic called creating a false category (inductive category), and while you may have more sound reasons from elsewhere for your opinions, this is not one. At least not for anyone using standard logic.

No, I mentioned one very large difference, that being that Muslims dont believe Jesus was a 1/3 of GOD, now even an issue like this comes down to what denomination of christianity we are talking about in order to discuss any differences between Islam and christianity on this one issue alone. I wasn't about to write a book in this thread discussing how Islamic belief differs from every single supposed christians dogma, what I was doing was mentioning that Mulims do indeed believe Jesus is a prophet, the messiah, and born thorugh immaculate conception(no human father), but like even christianity itself, there are differences in interpretations of what Jesus taught when comparing Islam and christianity. I was also pointing out that considering the bible teaches that Jesus said the jews that dont believe he was sent by GOD are indeed "from their father the devil" then clearly those jews(who don't believe Jesus was sent by GOD) will be slaves to the anti-christ when he comes out of hiding. And in summary, for the christians who dont swallow the whole 3 in 1 paganism and can understand that Jesus didnt pray to himself(or a 1/3 of himself), but rather they believe in ONE TRUE UNSEEN GOD and that Jesus was sent by this ONE TRUE UNSEEN GOD, then they will unite with the Muslims to fight the anti-christ when Jesus returns.

reply to post by Haxsaw


Considering that this thread is about the value of prophecy, it's probably just as well to consider this present side-stepping as a blind alley, with no further interest.

Fine with me.

I'm not sure why you bothered asking in the first place then, I'ts definitely very closely related, but or course do with it what you want.

reply to post by Haxsaw

Anything I've said can be found from multiple sources.

Then next time you make a claim, it would be wise to include your "multiple" sources.

Muslims believe(and love) the same prophets that christians and jews do, the main difference being that Muslims believe that Mohommed was the last prophet, but that Jesus(Isa in arabic) will return in the last days and that all the muslims will follow him.

Muslims believe, like any other religious person, that every other religion is incorrect, or not as "holy" as their religion. They are atheists towards every other religion but their own.

Bottom line is that Muslims will follow Jesus when he returns and destroys the antichrist

This anti-christ nonsense again, that could be anyone, absolutely anyone.

If they disagree with Sharia law, or are a socialist, they will be labelled an "anti-Christ"

Is it Ronald Reagan? Is it Pope Benedict XVI?

Anyone who doesn't meet the pre-requisites in the scriptures could be labelled an Anti-Christ.

Unless, of course, it is magical evil creature? that's definetly believable.

Jesus said he would come back within his Prophets lifetimes, he didn't. But you think he's coming back to defeat the Anti-Christ? (whoever that may be)

I know quite a few muslims who believe the same.

They also believe in demons;

A djin is a supernatural creature in Islamic teachings which (according to both mythology) occupies a parallel world to that of mankind, and together with humans and angels makes up the three sentient creations of Allah

new updates on the temple are here I've found more video's
find the LORD and believe in him ask for forgiveness of your sins satan is coming
the bible is about to be totally fulfilled

reply to post by shaneR

your welcome and yes it would be a very big job
but.... it's gotta be done

reply to post by Haxsaw

yeah some that don't believe that Jesus is the messiah just a man those poor souls don't even know what they are getting into reading satans book

reply to post by WeAreNothingWithoutGOD

And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away. [21:5] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new.

Yep, this sounds about right...
Our alien overlords are coming to wipe us all out and start over!

I must be missing something because i havent seen one article about any temple being rebuilt. In fact, i have read every site that link is connected to and i havent seen one thing about any construction being done. I think the OP was just fishing for S and F's. The way current world affairs are, that temple is never going to be rebuilt. i'll keep a wary eye to the east but i'm not going to hold my breath, i got a feeling i'll turn blue and go home to Jesus before that thing ever gets rebuilt.

reply to post by WeAreNothingWithoutGOD


You spouted; "new updates on the temple are here I've found more video's
find the LORD and believe in him ask for forgiveness of your sins satan is coming
the bible is about to be totally fulfilled"..blah blah choke.

I dub this thread useless,as it is self defeating by it's very nature. Kicking my own a$$ for wasting so much precious time on it already,I say...Will your thoughts,actions and deeds on display HERE get you to heaven?

I can only imagine what a joy it is to be in your physical presence and listen to you speak.

See ya.

Technically the temple was rebuilt, into those who believe in Jesus Christ. Jesus told the pharisees "I shall tear down the temple and rebuild it in 3 days", and then he was crucified and 3 days later rose from the dead and some time later returned to heaven, escorted by Moses and Elijah. in that sense he did rebuild the temple, not in its physical form, but in its spiritual form.

However, this post is misleading. The "physical" temple, cannot be rebuilt yet, not without the jews going to total war with islam and driving all the muslims out in an ethnic purge. I doubt this will happen anytime soon, in order for this to happen the jews will have to change from being peace loving to being the warlike peoples they were when they first entered that region and slaughtered the former inhabitants the Canaanites. Yeah, i really can't see that happening, the Romans pulled out their teeth and their desire to make war when they destroyed Herod's Temple. The muslims are not going to just "rollover" and give them the temple mount so they can destroy the dome of the rock. The only way that ground is going to be retaken is going to be through bloodshed, and God doesnt even exist there anymore or he would've destroyed any bablyonian that set foot in the temple the first time it was destroyed. He packed up and moved into our hearts, courtesy of Jesus Christ express.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


You wrote:

["and God doesnt even exist there anymore or he would've destroyed any bablyonian that set foot in the temple the first time it was destroyed."]

I have always had the impression, that this 'god' of yours is supposed to be everywhere.