For Questions: About the Recent movement of military equipment

Originally posted by ohioriver

Originally posted by Reaper2137

Originally posted by abe froman
reply to post by TheGooner

 

theres plenty of youtube video of members of the us military who went door to door disarming citizens who legally owned guns in the wake of katrina and afterwards telling the reporter "I really hate to have to do this but orders are orders"

That would also be the nat guard. They hated to do it but the other side to that coin is we were being shot at trying to deliver supply's to people. Help get people out and protect the area from looting. A few people ruined it for every one sorry to say but its true. My unit was also their and we did take people weapons after we shoot a few people for shooting at us. Mostly jackasses who think now that the cops are gone I can get a big screen.

So you are trying to justify illegally confiscating citizens guns? How many houses did your unit search out, that was no where near where you were shot at, and break into to steal the citizens lawfully acquired and possessed guns? Wake up buddy!!! Just following orders will not get you a free pass for breaking the law!

Marshal law was declared so I wasn't breaking the law. Read what a These laws really mean and not just what you see on t.v and In movies

Originally posted by Tnewguy
The reason for all the movement of military equipment is because theyre having an epic garage sale in front of the whitehouse.

Getting rid of old stuff to fund new projects.

LOL.. That is great, I would think that they are just sending them to level 3 shops and to the bases that they belong to.

Try taking a drive if your from California from Bakersfield to Farmersville than take the 198 west to the coast.

You will see a ton of military convoys of 30-80 vic's just going down the road. 50.Cal's on the hummers, ASV's with the 50. and Mark 19 and so on and so fourth.

Makes for fun driving weaving in and out of the convoy.

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Thank you for your service to this country Reaper.

The National Guard helped save my home during the Arizona fire. It jumped into New Mexico and was stopped a mere 13 miles from my home.

I don't know what the military bigwigs are up to, but I do know that most of our men in uniform are patriots.

Originally posted by 1PLA1
reply to post by Reaper2137

 

Thank you for your service to this country Reaper.

The National Guard helped save my home during the Arizona fire. It jumped into New Mexico and was stopped a mere 13 miles from my home.

I don't know what the military bigwigs are up to, but I do know that most of our men in uniform are patriots.

I think most of the problem is that the National Guard is thought of just like the Army we are not. We are the States militia, The Federal government has abused us again and again.

States are starting to take their own forces back. We shouldn't have to die just because it is a lower cost to send us in stead of the other Men and Women who signed up for the Federal Army.

People don't know what we do or really who we really are. We are your brother and sisters who joined to protect our state.

People also forget it wasn't the Federal Army that did most of the fighting in the Civil War it was the National Guard that was fighting.

Soon their will be another Civil War and once again Brother will fight Brother and for the First time in history Sister Will also fight Sister.

All great posts, a lot of them informative.

But if all this stuff is based on that one video with the train pulling military equipment. I would like to ask people who have been in the Military to look at the vehicels on the cars. Some are out of date or come from another country's military. No heavy armored or Personal Carriers. I didn't see any Bradley's. It was all jeeps, different versions of cargos like a Vietnam era Duce, 2.5ton France style cargo truck, and HumV's. Now for the red markings, yes we use infared markers but that didn't look like them.

My guess would be movie props for some production. But thats my opinion

Bug *squish*

Originally posted by TimesEnd
All great posts, a lot of them informative.

But if all this stuff is based on that one video with the train pulling military equipment. I would like to ask people who have been in the Military to look at the vehicels on the cars. Some are out of date or come from another country's military. No heavy armored or Personal Carriers. I didn't see any Bradley's. It was all jeeps, different versions of cargos like a Vietnam era Duce, 2.5ton France style cargo truck, and HumV's. Now for the red markings, yes we use infared markers but that didn't look like them.

My guess would be movie props for some production. But thats my opinion

The National Guard still used old ass equipment like that bud and I would think that the red signs are packing manifests we use them to ship every thing and any thing.. If there was a nuke on that train it would have a red packing manifest.

Originally posted by Reaper2137


The National Guard still used old ass equipment like that bud and I would think that the red signs are packing manifests we use them to ship every thing and any thing.. If there was a nuke on that train it would have a red packing manifest.

Now that is true the Guards do use outdated equip. I will grant you that. But never stuff from France and the old USSR.

The packing manifests that is a fact.... red ones are use for nuke shipments. Being ex Army MP myself I do know this. But I never notice any questionable cargo that would lead me to believe that something Nuclear was being transported. If there was something on that train that I didn't see plz post it cause I would like to see for myself. Side note: Wouldn't a Nuclear cargo have an escort of some sort.... do to the fact of National Security?
Nothing was covered up everything was transparent.

Originally posted by TimesEnd

Originally posted by Reaper2137


The National Guard still used old ass equipment like that bud and I would think that the red signs are packing manifests we use them to ship every thing and any thing.. If there was a nuke on that train it would have a red packing manifest.

Now that is true the Guards do use outdated equip. I will grant you that. But never stuff from France and the old USSR.

The packing manifests that is a fact.... red ones are use for nuke shipments. Being ex Army MP myself I do know this. But I never notice any questionable cargo that would lead me to believe that something Nuclear was being transported. If there was something on that train that I didn't see plz post it cause I would like to see for myself. Side note: Wouldn't a Nuclear cargo have an escort of some sort.... do to the fact of National Security?
Nothing was covered up everything was transparent.

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lol.. I didn't mean that there was a nuclear weapon it was a joke. the old france and other things are for training i would think... might not post for a while big date with the wife tonight. always glad to hear from another MP

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So its ok that you take guns for your safty but the home owner had to give his up qand can't defend his home. Take the registed guns and what's left just the crims with the unregested guns I bet no registed guns were fired at the nat guard

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Show me where in the Constitution it calls for the creation of a Federal police force.
Why did Posse Comitatus ever exist?
We thought it wrong over 100 years ago to use Army troops as police but the Warner defense act of 2007 overturned it. It remains unconstitutional nonetheless.
You might call it policing, others might call it treason.

Originally posted by jaffer44
reply to post by Reaper2137

 

So its ok that you take guns for your safty but the home owner had to give his up qand can't defend his home. Take the registed guns and what's left just the crims with the unregested guns I bet no registed guns were fired at the nat guard

I could have cared less at the time really. We were there to do a job when the cops ran. Those people were defended by us. Crime dropped to nothing, The looting was stopped and we were on every corner. They could contact us by phone or radio if they had them up and running or just talking to us.

There were very little criminals that had the balls to do much of any thing after we shoot the first few.

Originally posted by Asktheanimals
reply to post by Reaper2137

 

Show me where in the Constitution it calls for the creation of a Federal police force.
Why did Posse Comitatus ever exist?
We thought it wrong over 100 years ago to use Army troops as police but the Warner defense act of 2007 overturned it. It remains unconstitutional nonetheless.
You might call it policing, others might call it treason.

edit on 7-8-2011 by Asktheanimals because: added comments

Military Police have existed since before there was a United States formal.

but here is the part were you may be misunderstanding

units of the National Guard under federal authority from acting in a law enforcement capacity within the United States, except where expressly authorized by the Constitution or Congress.

first we were not under federal authority we were under state authority thus no the law didn't come into effect.
Also if you wanted to go the other route Congress granted us the powers when marshal law was declared.

Also Federal Police exist out side of the military as well. They are not interchangeable you can be one the other or both.

Since congress is the one that wrote the bill and it wasn't in the constitution to beginning with I don't see how your saying that its unconstitutional since its not part of it

After bearing witness to the events in London last night, www.bbc.co.uk... I think we are the ones who need to worry about civil unrest. haha.

Although not related to the economic or political problems, but a (rather large) mob who got out of control.

We do not have a set up similar to your Nat Guard in this country to deal with civil unrest. we do have reserve forces but they have a primary role to fight along side regular forces, not deal with situations like this.

As for the police.. pfft! Did next to nothing as they did not seem to be equiped to deal with this level of unrest. The area looks tike down town baghdad circa 2003.

Im thinking that if we had similar set up to the Nat Guard these youths/idiots/cowards/*%@&%^?# would have not done so much damage or contiued to riot for so long.

Originally posted by TheGooner
After bearing witness to the events in London last night, www.bbc.co.uk... I think we are the ones who need to worry about civil unrest. haha.

Although not related to the economic or political problems, but a (rather large) mob who got out of control.

We do not have a set up similar to your Nat Guard in this country to deal with civil unrest. we do have reserve forces but they have a primary role to fight along side regular forces, not deal with situations like this.

As for the police.. pfft! Did next to nothing as they did not seem to be equiped to deal with this level of unrest. The area looks tike down town baghdad circa 2003.

Im thinking that if we had similar set up to the Nat Guard these youths/idiots/cowards/*%@&%^?# would have not done so much damage or contiued to riot for so long.

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I'm sorry to hear that friend, the use of the Military as a police force is a kin to a double bladed sword. The whole of the Military isn't trained for Policing any one. The Military Police are and the population is kinda ignorant to the fact of when and wear they can be used. The Nat Guard when acting under the orders of the local state governor can act as a police force. The only time when they are on Federal duty here it within Marshal Law and dictated by the President or by congress some times one or the other some times other.

With the collapse of the E.U happening and the money troubles here in the state you are going to see a lot of strange things going on. Within the Military as well as the public Revolution, Civil unrest, and Riots are going to be the main stay of the next few months for sure.

I'm leaning towards Revolution my self, the Romes of the two countries are burning and the Government is bailing as fast as they can. With out long term stability and hard choices that need to be made. We will both fall, Taxes at least here need to be raised or entitlements need cut out. Its not the governments job to bail out the citizen if it cannot afford it.

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People just really don't understand the reason behind Martial Law.

"Violence is the supreme authority from which all other authority derives"

I just want to add an experience I just had. I am formerly a military spouse, 9 years.. I recognize military vehicles and types.
I have been a member here for only a few weeks but remember seeing the post and video about the train full of military vehicles.
This experience I had just reminded me of some things I had read here, so I wanted to just put it out here.
On Friday around noon in the Denver metro area, on I-25 near the exit for county line, but it could have been a little after that exit we drove past a military convoy. This was an odd convoy because some were stopped on the shoulder and some vehicles were in motion. This was not a typical transport convoy, they were in full battle gear, kevlar and helmets on. They were in radio contact, I could see the mics they were wearing. There were JERVV vehicles (Very odd to me) and humvee's with turrets. Most alarming was these gun turrets were occupied. There was also what appeared to be a heavily armored rolling command post type vehicle. The whole scene left me with an uncomfortable feeling in my gut. It was like a scene out of Iraq, but on a local interstate!
I talked with several of my military wife friends and speculation was they were doing some sort of travel between bases. This did not make sense. The vehicles they were driving are Gas Hogs...they would be transporting those between bases on flatbeds, and not dressed in full gear. The next idea offered was urban warfare practice. Well they were far from the densely populated city of Denver and more on the outskirts. We were less than 2 exits from the end of the populated Denver metro area.

So this stayed with me for the day and I finally decided to ask my boyfriend's father about it, who lives in Highlands Ranch and has worked in Denver for more than 20 years. I asked if training on I-25 is a common occurrence. He stated he had never seen anything like it before but they must be doing some "homeland security" training. Then he said, he and my boyfriends younger brother had seen almost the exact same exercise being done a week or 2 prior in C-470 as they made their way to his Hockey game at RMR. The route to RMR on C-470 takes you to the outskirts and out of town and around to beat city traffic.
He said at the time he thought it was odd and out of place especially considering it was a sunday afternoon. Some were parked on the shoulder and in full gear at that time too.

What strikes me as odd about these 2 locations is they are 2 main arteries in and and out of the Denver metro area. could they be running exercises to prepare for the closing or blocking of traffic in and out of the city. Why would traffic be blocked?
It really struck me as odd considering my past years involved in the military life, as well as the type of vehicles I observed...especially the JERVV's.
We all agreed it was odd and we had never seen anything like it before in our collective time in the denver area...yet 2 times in the last few weeks has this been seen here. With the rumblings on this website about odd military movements, I just wanted to add my experience with this. I hope its nothing, I really do.. Also if anyone from the Denver metro area has seen this too, I hope there can be more witnesses to add information to these situations.

Good post. Just another file to thrown on the already existing pile.

As most of us know Denver is near a few locations that are military strong points and are well protected in the best of times, and a recent addition that has people pondering its purpose. You seeing conducting manuvers in around Denver is interesting.

Thank you for the info.

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I am currently deployed in afghanistan and i am also under SOCOM. Back home in the states we were constantly doing training exercises involving large movements to other bases, it is common that we do these movements in full battle rattle/Kit/ our body armor etc. We train how we fight and that includes radio contact with all personell/ vehicles in the movement, it is all prep. for future deployments even the mounted weapons in the turrets. Every person in a vehicle has a purpose for ex. a HMMV/hummer has a driver a gunner a TC(truck commander) and two dismounts in the back seat area I cant go to far into depth on how they are supposed to react to situations simply because all of this is monitored there is always someone watching and listening for what they call red flags.
I would be happy to answer any questions to the best of my ability within reason

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I respect your understanding of military, given your position. I guess it was alarming to me, to see on an interstate...as well as to hear it wasn't the first time this situation has been seen.
Would it honestly be common to see a JERRV? or the gun turrets occupied while in transit?
I have lived near and on several military bases and I have never seen a convoy in the states move this way....
like I said it was a scene out of Iraq transplanted on a US highway....
Stay Safe....
Unless that is, you are not currently deployed in the box, and are really just some OSI agent sitting at his PC looking for posts online that need some disinformation to quell the masses. I just now noticed you joined today, just to reply to my first post here...a post that could, when added to the grander scheme of things, add up to something more sinister. I was married to an agent once, and I know for a fact they do this very thing.
I guess we will never know....but if they train as they fight...so you say, then I dont feel comfortable with them needing to "train as they fight" on roads leading in and out of Denver!