Huckabee 9/11 Cartoon

Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by Skorpiogurl

 

Propaganda? Children's cartoons and books have been loaded with leftist propaganda and feel good liberalism for decades. Watch episodes of programs like Barney, Caiou and they are PC to the max. Go ahead and read a couple of children's books and get a nice taste of leftist nonsense. You can start with the very popular "Rainbow Fish" which is about a fish with pretty scales in a school of fish with no scales. Ultimately the fish with the scales gives each of the other fish a pretty scale so that they can all have a pretty scale and all be the same. The notion is "isn't it nice that we all have equal amounts and that everyone feels good about themselves? You would feel better about yourself if you gave all of your things away too". Pure leftist trash.

Huckabee's cartoon is not conservative agtiprop. Its got a few simple messages. The trade centers were attacked by Muslims who wish to kill Americans. Americans got together and went after and killed a bunch of muslims. Big deal.

How about a cartoon with a bunch of kids building a playground. Half of the kids are sitting on the ground while the other half work. That would be a good cartoon to represent our current income tax policy.

How about a cartoon where a kid works hard to get an A and a lazy kid does not work hard and gets a C and the take a grade away from the kid with the A and gives it to the kid with a C so that they can all have the same grade. That would be a good cartoon about affirmative action

How about a cartoon where they have kids build a tree house. They work very hard and its fantastic when its completed. Then a someone comes by and tells them to tear it down. See, there is a little birdy who occasionally nests in that tree and despite the fact that there are dozens of nearby trees for the bird to nest in, they need to be able to make sure that he can nest in that particular tree. That would be a good cartoon about our over regulated society and the environment nutters out there.

So there is a cartoon that blandly depicts 911. Who cares. Would you rather have a cartoon that shows the sympathic Muslim character? How about a nice cartoon where mommy is showing junior how to make a suitcase bomb? Or a cartoon where they attempt to explain the mistreatment of women in the muslim world? "Sorry little Achmed. I would take you to the park but I'm not allowed to drive a car" and "Sorry Achmed, I would like to read that book to you but I was not allowed to attend school".

Its a cartoon.

But don't worry, the new half black, half hispanic, maybe even gay new replacement for Peter Parker and Spiderman can come in and save the day

edit on 5-8-2011 by dolphinfan because: (no reason given)

All really good points and I agree with you on a few things but it disgusts me anyway... Why the F can't we just let kids be kids anymore? I realize cartoons, kids books, etc. have always been filled with propagana. I don't know about anyone else but my parents took the time to watch tv with me and read books with me and explain to me in their own words the point I should be learning from the cartoon or the book. The TV wasn't my babysitter.

A simple message?

The trade centers were attacked by Muslims who wish to kill Americans.

Which Muslims? All Muslims? The Muslims next door? Wait... we are Muslims... do we hate Americans?

A simple message to me because I am adult and I know the point he is making. But how is a kid gonna take that message?

And I do think it's a big deal. I think anything with regard to 9/11 is a big deal.

Originally posted by muzzleflash

Originally posted by dolphinfan
reply to post by Skorpiogurl

 

Huckabee's cartoon is not conservative agtiprop. Its got a few simple messages. The trade centers were attacked by Muslims who wish to kill Americans. Americans got together and went after and killed a bunch of muslims. Big deal.

That's a pretty big damned deal I think.

You know how many of my friends I went to school with died in Afghanistan or Iraq?? They died for what?

Why are we just indiscriminately attacking all people of a certain religion that roughly a billion people are part of? Hell some Americans are Muslim, should we kill them too?

Are you even listening to yourself?

Does the Conservative Right = Murdering Brown people? I hope not, that would be ultra-disgusting KKK style politics honestly.

I consider myself a true Conservative, I wish to conserve my brothers lives and not throw them away on pointless LAND WARS IN ASIA. It's like trying to stop a cockroach infestation by stomping on them with your feet. Impossible. But there we are, in a land war in central Asia.

I want to Conserve our weapons stash, rather than liberally using it everywhere.
I want to Conserve our nation's wealth and reserves, rather than liberally wasting them on land wars in Asia.
I want to Conserve whatever is left of our international reputation, rather than blowing it liberally by just talking crap to everyone.
I want to Conserve my conscience, rather than liberally sailing it down the river and allowing myself to hate others blindly and seek their destruction.

So you can see why I call myself a True Conservative. Because true conservation implies the need to end the wars and bring our troops home, rather than wasting it all liberally.

Thank you! Exactly what I was trying to say

reply to post by muzzleflash


Where in the cartoon does it mention or even imply that its OK to go out and kill all muslims? It does not. It says that Muslims attacked the world trade center and that the US went after those muslims.

Now it may trouble some that modern terrorists are predominately Muslim, but thems the facts and to gloss over it does not serve kids. Kids are taught about the KKK. They are not taught that all white people are in the KKK. Kids need to be taught that there are groups of Muslims who are engaged in holy war throughout the world. That does not mean that all Muslims are engaged in holy war.

As far as your take on the wars, I 100% agree with you. Neither war was justified, mostly because neither Iraq nor Afganistan (especially Afganistan) are worth a single US soldier. That being said, there is no problem teaching kids uncomfortable truths.

At some point, hopefully when Muslims have rooted out this extremist element within themselves (personally I doubt that will happen), but hopefully when they do, kids will look at cartoons like that and wonder how it ever got this crazy. The same way my kids shake their heads when I teach them about how blacks used to have to use separate water fountains and sit at the back of the bus. First they don't believe it and then they are simply and appropriately disgusted by it.

Sitting by and ignoring that there is a problem in the Muslim world is foolish and does a disservice to society and kids. Yes its uncomfortable, yes, it may be awkard to Muslims. Tough. When you begin to shape to truth to conform to what is comfortable you cease to teach.

I think it boils down to this...

Raise your children! Be engaged with them, nurture their curiosity, help them develop good reasoning skills, ensure they question and become informed without blindly believing.
Too many 'parents' these days are more than happy to let someone else raise their kids... be that TV, the school system, the government, etc. If you truly love your children and seek the best for them I believe that you must take a proactive role with them from birth.

As for the cartoon itself, it's a propaganda joke concieved by a man who is actively involved in one of the biggest propaganda mechanisms in history; organized religion.

My opinion, for what it's worth.

D

reply to post by dolphinfan


Thanks for the reply, and I am sorry I misunderstood your points and took it out of context. I guess I still get touchy about the topic 10years later.

I don't think we can stop an idea, but we could help educate others and replace their foolish ideas with more reasonable prudent ideals. That may be possible to an extent.

However psychopathic extremism is not just found within religions (all religions are guilty from time to time), but we will also find extremists within any government in the world, any institutions, organizations, corporations, etc.

They are willing to throw anyone under the bus to get what they want. They don't care about anyone but themselves. Sociopaths, Psychopaths, etc.

We need to devise ways to defuse the situation, but instead all of our policies have only inflamed it.
I am against the idea of revenge, and I think we could find a peaceful way to resolve this conflict.

But we have to change our policies, because that is the root of this problem. ---- Sure a few lone terrorists will be leftover after everything gets back to the way it is suppose to be, but there will not be floods of them gathering in droves to sign up to fight the great American Satan so 90% of the problem will be resolved.

reply to post by Skorpiogurl
Propaganda BS to brainwash junior into believing the BS official lie.

reply to post by dolphinfan


I find it interesting you defend this "propaganda" but are against fish giving scales to another (lord no!). It seems as if you are saying every childs' book is a leftist propaganda tool and because you believe the propaganda of Mr. Huckabee it is ok? So, this is clearly a right-neo-con/war mongering propaganda tool? And it's ok because you are a right wing neo-conservative? Is sharing the same as communism? Is using "muslims" for wacky extremists ok? Do you think this does what you claim all children's books do? Indoctrinate? In other words, you are ok with comics about killing innocent people (all the excuses in the world why) but not about the little boy who is new in town and needs some friends? What?

CJ

reply to post by ColoradoJens


Its not that I suppport one or the other. Its that I find them equally valid and I simply choose not to read my kids books that have fundamentally socialist messages in them. I would not care if they watched the Huckabee cartoon, but would not encourage them to do so, not because I find it offensive, but that I don't find it compelling.

Liberals have been taking over the messaging to kids for a very long time. Just this week there is a thread on ATS about folks suggesting that the "three little pigs" is offensive because it equates poor construction with laziness. The same theme about the Lion King being racist because the Hyenas are black.

We've already had classic literature such as Huckleberry Finn and Tom Sawyer edited because they were offensive. Folks either being too lazy or not having the talent to use the language in the book as an opportunity to discuss the woefull treatment of blacks at the time which would be to educate kids, lets just remove it all together and pretend it never happened.

These are the same folks who remove games like dodge ball because the fat kids always get hit first.

Its about time there was someone who took something with a moderate/conservative tone.

reply to post by dolphinfan


That was a great reply. Take away the overall theme of socialist message (whatever that means) from children's books and I agree with everything else you said.

I have bought and read children's book's to my guys for the last 8 years (now just my 5'ver) and rarely is there a message in the book that means anything other than what it states. Sharks vs Trains. To your point, we have all heard of the "gay" fish books and rainbow kids and johnny feels left out cause he sucks at sports and we all should get a ribbon, even if we can't do a fricken layup book - heck, I believe Free to be You and Me was kickin' Johnny wants a doll or somesuch in the 70's...But really, is that what socialism is? Each book to its own: are there particular publishers who are in on the conspiracy?

To add: I am STILL in shock over the controversy and editing of HUCK FINN...now we are re-writing history, intent and subverting the process of intelligent thought.

CJ

reply to post by ColoradoJens


It is socialist in that it endeavors to create the notion that everyone is equal, which is rubbish. Everyone has equal merit as a human being, but some folks have inherent things that make them better than others at certain things. Some are smarter, some funnier, some more atheletic. To many of the themes is that we should all strive to eliminate the differences when the goal should be to accept them and find those differences exciting. The geek who plays an awesome sax and does great at school but sucks at sports for example. I just think that many of these seek to downplay differences when they in fact should be celebrated.

Now the geek should get as much if not more play than the jock because his accomplishments actually require more work and skill than do sports and I think there is too little emphasis on those things, but thats what our society values.

As far as the folks who see racism, sexism et. al in every thing that exists in society, they are beyond help. Ironically they devalue the legitimate efforts to combat real racism and sexism and the other isms by making a mockery of them.

I always used to laugh when my kids would put Barney on. There was always a white kid, a hispanic kid, a black kid, an asian kid and then of course the kid who was about 45 pounds over weight at age 10. Sometimes the fat kid was substituted for a handicapped kid or some poor kid that was absolutely ugly. That kind of nonsense is so blatantly purposeful its down right comical.

How about they just run a story with positive messages rather than tailor them to infuse these subtle PC messages in what seems to absolutely everything.

reply to post by Skorpiogurl


Fox news. Says all really.

Lying to kids is nothing new...

...We were lied to about the WW1 and WW2....we were lied to about what the Vietnam war was really about.

We were lied to about Santa Claus ...and the Easter Bunny...

seems like its been happening for a long time.

Originally posted by Skorpiogurl

Originally posted by Snoopy1978
The "war on terror" + occupations have gone so long and are planned for even longer that now the new generation has to be forcibly lobotomized with freshly recycled propaganda.


Ps: One run-on sentence counts for two regular!

My thoughts exactly. We don't have the ability to think for ourselves anymore, or come to our own conclusions based on fact anymore. We just stare at the tube and believe the bs we are fed. End of story. It's bogus!

this is discussed in the protocols several times, here's one of them.....

misclassified.cz.cc...

Growing more and more disaccustomed to reflect and form any opinions of their own, people will begin to talk in the same tone as we, because we alone shall be offering them new directions for thought ... of course through such persons as will not be suspected of solidarity with us.

Fiziks is Fundamental!

Physics is incapable of caring about mathematics. The mathematics must match the physics because physics can't do math. Physics does not care about America or Iraq or Israel or human beings.

Can an airliner weighing less than 200 tons TOTALLY OBLITERATE a skyscraper weighing more than 400,000 tons in less than two hours? If so why can't it be explained while including accurate data on the distributions of steel and concrete in the towers? Didn't the designers have to figure that out so the buildings could hold themselves up against gravity and withstand the wind?

www.youtube.com...

9/11/11 will be the day that physics died. Maybe I'll get drunk so I can laugh all day.

9/11 is the Piltdown Man incident of the 21st century.

Our politicians can't even figure out that they have been listening to economists that can't do algebra for the last 50 years. How much do Americans lose on the depreciation of cars every year. But if we buy more cars they are added to GDP. Oh no, physics has something to do with economics. Does physics work under socialism?

psik

Originally posted by Skorpiogurl
A cartoon? Really? To teach our kids what exactly?

Thoughts?

My thoughts are that this is exactly every bit as self serving and reprehensible as the con artists behind those damned fool conspiracy websites peddling abject paranoia in order to sell t-shirts. For the exact same reason.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by Skorpiogurl
A cartoon? Really? To teach our kids what exactly?

Thoughts?

My thoughts are that this is exactly every bit as self serving and reprehensible as the con artists behind those damned fool conspiracy websites peddling abject paranoia in order to sell t-shirts. For the exact same reason.

I would thank you in advance for not attacking the posters on this thread again.....if you don't believe in it, then don't add to it..just that simple......

Originally posted by patternfinder

I would thank you in advance for not attacking the posters on this thread again.....if you don't believe in it, then don't add to it..just that simple......

Just who are the posters in this thread that I'm attacking? I said this cartoon is every bit as reprehensible as the conspiracy web sites milking the 9/11 attack to sell T-shirts, and for the same reason. The OP asked for our opinions and I gave it.

Just because you support the right to censorship doesn't mean anyone else does.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by patternfinder

I would thank you in advance for not attacking the posters on this thread again.....if you don't believe in it, then don't add to it..just that simple......

Just who are the posters in this thread that I'm attacking? I said this cartoon is every bit as reprehensible as the conspiracy web sites milking the 9/11 attack to sell T-shirts, and for the same reason. The OP asked for our opinions and I gave it.

Just because you support the right to censorship doesn't mean anyone else does.

Thanks I appreciate and agree with your opinion on that.

Originally posted by GoodOlDave

Originally posted by patternfinder

I would thank you in advance for not attacking the posters on this thread again.....if you don't believe in it, then don't add to it..just that simple......

Just who are the posters in this thread that I'm attacking? I said this cartoon is every bit as reprehensible as the conspiracy web sites milking the 9/11 attack to sell T-shirts, and for the same reason. The OP asked for our opinions and I gave it.

Just because you support the right to censorship doesn't mean anyone else does.

sorry, i misread your post, my mistake.......was up all night studying.....

but I can tell you this, I think your signature is horrible, 9/11 was an inside job and there is plenty of actual evidence to prove it, if some people weren't so scared to research and find it.....