GMO Sugar Cane dust storm

Aloha,

The last couple of days my head has felt like it's about to explode. It's a sinus pressure thing. Anyway, I put two and two together and determined It's the cane fields dust, smoke and debris I drive through every morning and afternoon to and from work. You see, I live on Maui and they are burning and harvesting the sugar cane along my commute route. I also know Monsanto has a facility on Maui and does research GMO sugarcane. A couple of people I have run across are having congestion and, head cold symptoms. Mauians have long suffered (yeah right) the effects of these harvesting techniques and have learned to live with it.

Now for the point of this thread; Is there any enhanced danger in inhaling GMO cane debris?

Wasnt even aware of GMO sugar cane, thought that was the one pure sugar still available, damn that sucks. As for your health who knows what type of damage you could have, I mean just look at the test subjects associated with BT corn.

I'm putting two and two together here. The only large scale agricultural crop on Maui is sugar cane and Monsanto has a gated facility here. Makes sense to me that they are indeed involved with the sugar cane industry.

Just took two Benadryl so I may not be long for this day.

There are relatively few field tests nationwide for GMO Sugar Cane, nor is it being used on a widespread level anywhere in the world outside of Brazil, I believe. So your reaction, and your belief of it being widespread is untrue. Now, I am no supporter of GMO, in fact I hate it to my core. But, I believe in this case, it is just your allergies.

As for the effects being more severe or dangerous, most likely. But, like I stated, there is very limited availability of GMO Sugar Cane as of now. So, very few, if any of the general public is at risk of being exposed.

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So you're saying that you drive through the smoke and dust of the regular harvest of sugar cane, but you are blaming your symptoms on a field that (might have?)has GMO sugar cane, that is not being harvested?

I live on Maui and am unaware of any GMO sugar cane being test grown by Monsanto.

I have been to the test fields in both Kihei and Lahaina, where they grow corn in test lots.

Unless Monsanto is growing GMO sugarcane on Sugar Cane Company land and not their own, I dont believe Monsanto has GMO sugarcane on Maui , going by my own eyes on this info.

I have a picture of the GMO corn lots in Lahaina if your interested...

here is the pic of one of the fields of GMO corn in Lahaina by Monsanto, there were only a few, this one in the picture being the youngest crop and the smallest. Some of the other fields were larger than two football fields.

ps. my first picture post so hopefully it will show up..

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I have a feeling if more people saw that picture they would stop thinking GMO's are nefarious. Maybe not though, a lot of people here listen to every word that comes out of Alex Jones mouth.

I wish now that I had of taken the picture of the tractor with the giant water-tank-type trailer in tow marked poison, with 12 guys behind it with tubes and wands spraying one of the other corn plots, that would have made a better anti GMO picture.

Although at the time I didnt want them to see me snapping photos, I was hiking to the mountain just taking a short cut through their fields. If I had of looked like I was there to snap photos they probably would have called the cops on me...

The Chernobyl nuclear disaster released radiation and the trees in the area absorbed it.

When there was that forest fire near Chernobyl in Russia.....it re-released radiation around the entire planet. Geiger counters worldwide recorded a spike in radiation during those forest fires.



Hawaii received fallout from Japan's nuclear reactors going critical. The SugarCane absorbed the radiation. When they burn the SugerCane....they are re-releasing radiation.

Get a gas mask.

Hard to believe that Hawaii would allow the great poisoner, Monsanto, onto their beautiful islands. Aren't weapons of mass destruction illegal there? Whatever happened to Dole Pineapple? Why is an Italian company allowed to poison Hawaii? Is this another BP and the gulf with just a change of nationalities? If Hungary can throw the great polluter out, why can't Hawaii? Where is this sugar being sold? What was wrong with the old sugar cane? Does Hawaii have an aluminum soil problem? Is there a rainfall problem? Don't winds from Hawaii hit the west coast? Sorry for the 20 questions - just appalled that MSM never informed me of the pestilence in residence in Hawaii.

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Probably because there is no pestilence.

and apparently no GMO sugar either according to the preceding posts - no-one has actually identified any have they??

the GMO sugar that monsanto is working on has the Bt gene & be "roundup resistant" - see www.grain.org...

It's also not expected to be commercially available until 2015.

However they have made sugar BEET - according to one source I read sugar beet supplies about half of US sugar, and 95% of it is GMO and has been for a few years now (it was introduced in 2005 & had a very fast uptake) - there are all sorts of lawsuits about it in teh last year or so - too many for me to easily follow - a search for "Monsanto GMO sugar beet" gives plenty of reading material.

Originally posted by Pervius
The Chernobyl nuclear disaster released radiation and the trees in the area absorbed it.

When there was that forest fire near Chernobyl in Russia.....it re-released radiation around the entire planet. Geiger counters worldwide recorded a spike in radiation during those forest fires.

Really? When did that happen? Got any sources for it??

According to this article ther have ben 100 or so fires in the exclusion zone, but no great release of fallout - but there is certainly a danger it could happen.

fortunately too, of course, radioactive decay means ther is less and less danger all eth time.....

Hawaii received fallout from Japan's nuclear reactors going critical. The SugarCane absorbed the radiation. When they burn the SugerCane....they are re-releasing radiation.

Get a gas mask.

the amount of "extra" radiation in Hawaii is miniscule - one sitemanaged to get 3 times the background level for 15 minutes one day..and various othe measures are about the same.

As I read it, this is less than you'd get from eating a banana.....

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Thanks for the link which I enjoyed - very informative. Just read every word of print on my C&H pure Sugar Cane Box. It does have a label, highlighted in yellow that says '100% Pure Cane - contains NO BEET sugar.' However, the box no longer says 'from Hawaii' and the distributor is Domino Foods, Inc. out of Yonkers, N.Y. and the customer service address in case of dissatisfaction is in Crockett, CA. I couldn't find any indication of where it was grown or where it was processed. These days unless it says 'made in the U.S.A.' it's usually not. I think it has to say China if it is but it doesn't say that either.

I don't know how sugar cane propogates but I do know about corn. The wind blows and the genetically altered pollen can travel quite a ways to infect non-GMO fields. I remember this from people growing blue corn around me and how I was told that my corn could also become that type by proximity.

Also when the OP talks about dust blowing etc. - where's the rainfall? I remember learing about Kauaii and the center of that island having the most yearly rainfall of anywhere on earth. I haven't been to the other islands but wouldn't they be somewhat similar. I do remember that at one end of Kauaii it looked all mined out and there was a problem with rain there - somehow the rain missed it and landed further on but this was kind of a canyon area - no crops.

Originally posted by luxordelphi
reply to post by Aloysius the Gaul

 

Thanks for the link which I enjoyed - very informative. Just read every word of print on my C&H pure Sugar Cane Box. It does have a label, highlighted in yellow that says '100% Pure Cane - contains NO BEET sugar.' However, the box no longer says 'from Hawaii' and the distributor is Domino Foods, Inc. out of Yonkers, N.Y. and the customer service address in case of dissatisfaction is in Crockett, CA. I couldn't find any indication of where it was grown or where it was processed. These days unless it says 'made in the U.S.A.' it's usually not. I think it has to say China if it is but it doesn't say that either.

I don't know how sugar cane propogates but I do know about corn. The wind blows and the genetically altered pollen can travel quite a ways to infect non-GMO fields. I remember this from people growing blue corn around me and how I was told that my corn could also become that type by proximity.

Also when the OP talks about dust blowing etc. - where's the rainfall? I remember learing about Kauaii and the center of that island having the most yearly rainfall of anywhere on earth. I haven't been to the other islands but wouldn't they be somewhat similar. I do remember that at one end of Kauaii it looked all mined out and there was a problem with rain there - somehow the rain missed it and landed further on but this was kind of a canyon area - no crops.

You need to realize that there is a leeward side, and a windward side. One side gets rain, the other side does not

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Hi firepilot: regarding the rainfall - was just curious about the blowing dust and had thought maybe the OP, who lives there in Mauii, could elaborate on the rainfall like where is it? But, for me, personally, that's not going to be necessary because in a few weeks I'll be meeting with someone recently returned from the islands and will get all my questions answered.

Meantime though there seems to be some climate change there:

cooksinfo.com 'Pineapples' 'History Notes for Pineapples'

"By the 1990's, however, pineapple growing started to leave Hawaii..." "In 1992, the Dole company shuttered their pineapple plantation on Lanai island; James Dole had purchased the entire island in 1922 for growing pineapples." "In 2008, Del Monte stopped growing its pineapples in Hawaii..." "...had started growing pineapples there in 1916..." "In 2009, Maui Land & Pineapple stopped growing pineapples in Hawaii. Their plantation was on Maui island, where they had been since the company was founded...in 1912." "As of 2010, Dole remains the sole producer of pineapple in Hawaii. It has 2,700 acres in Wahiawa on Oahu Island. The company was founded in Wahiawa in 1851."

wiki.answers.com 'What percentage of pineapples does hawaii supply?'

"Although US companies first developed their pineapple plantations in Hawaii, and the most common varieties of pineapple were developed there, Hawaii now supplies only a very small perrcentage of pineapples."

fundinguniverse.com 'Dole Food Company, Inc.'

"Although the company moved forward in its acquisitions in 1998, Dole faced numerous challenges, some presented by unpredictable weather conditions..." "El Nino adversely affected farming weather patterns, which generated unpredictable and uncommon weather, including heavy rains in California, flooding in Ecuador, and drought in the Philippines and Thailand." "However, during this same period of time, Dole continued to suffer from adverse weather..."

Like I said before - surprised to see Monsanto in Hawaii and again have to ask questions: are they developing aluminum resistant sugar cane/corn; are they developing drought resistant sugar cane/corn; are they developing pest resistant (pests propogate in drought conditions which make the plant weak and unable to throw them off) sugar cane/corn? I still have this picture in my mind of Hawaii being the garden of the world. What happened?

Can't get past this blowing dust thing.

Why is it so hard to imagine there being dust in Hawaii? You have this image of everywhere in Hawaii being wet and lush, and thats absolutely not true. I used to live on the Big Island, and there are areas there that qualify as desert. The west side at low elevations reminded me of New Mexico at times, with lava rock, and being really dry. There are places on the Big Island with no vegetation and nothing but lava rock.

Anyplace over land, there is going to be some degree of dust and aerosols. There is this chemtrail belief being spread that rainwater should be absolutely pure, and if its not, then its the work of an evil conspiracy. Sorry, but for this who believe this, its utter junk science and complete rubbish.

Do you know companies worked on Aluminum resistant crops almost 100 years ago too? This is not something new.

And this idea that we are increasing the amount of aluminum in the ground, is absolute follow, unless either you believe in alchemy, or that we are mining it on other planets and bringing it back here.

After all, Aluminum does come out of the ground you know.

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I don't think sugar cane is being grown on lava rock so whether blowing dust has always existed there or not is irrelevant. The OP says that blowing dust exists now on Mauii in sugar cane fields and that it is a problem for residents there.

This doesn't seem to be a thread about chemtrails so not sure where you're going with that and the purity of rainwater unless Monsanto is employing aircraft to spray pesticides or cast GMO seeds.

I mentioned aluminum in the ground because this is a Monsanto endeavor - aluminum resistant plants. A lot of states have strict laws covering aluminum factories and their pollution of the environment but maybe in Hawaii they are not so strict - I don't know. I do know that a state - Oregon - with some of the strictest laws on aluminum pollution dating back to the 1950's and 1960's has a problem with aluminum in the soil. It doesn't spontaneously materialize topside. It gets there by being put there. As far as aluminum resistant plants being researched 100 years ago - I don't know anything about that BUT I'm against it whether 100 years ago or this very moment. I'm against GMO's of any kind if that was even slightly unclear before. I don't want to eat aluminum resistant plants nor do I want aluminum resistant flowers in my garden.

As far as aluminum coming out of the ground - so does arsenic. New Mexico has a big problem with arsenic in the water. Should we then develop arsenic resistant plants? Give me a break. Like I said, there are strict rules for aluminum factory type places to avoid polluting the environment with aluminum so whether or not it comes out of the ground is irrelevant.

To the OP and sugar cane and blowing dust possibly containing GMO particulants causing asthma symptoms:

organicconsumers.org 'Genetic Modification of Sugar Cane?' 'June 25, 2009'

"Scientists in Australia predict that genome sequencing of sugarcane will be accomplished by 2010. Once the sequencing is finished, scientists can begin to genetically modify sugarcane for a variety of purposes from improved biofuels to better plastics."

hawaiihealthguide.com 'Court of Appeals Dismisses Monsanto's Appeal of Biotech Beets Case, Preserves Victory for Farmers, Environment' 'May 21, 2011'

"Ironically much of the GMO seed used throughout the world by Monsanto is tested and developed in open field test sites throughout Hawaii's islands and dominates the use of the remaining open ag land. The heavy use of pesticides and herbicides in the 3 seasons of continuous field testing and seed production renders the soil useless as a nutrient source for agriculture and contributes to water pollution and has been linked to childhood asthma and illness in areas downwind from spraying of herbicides near schools and residential areas." "Because of cross contamination with natural beets and corn, the use of these genetically modified crops is fought by farmers..." "...the heavy application of herbicides is indicated as a health risk for both farm workers and soil health."

dmzhawaii.org 'Ag park and GMO crops planned on land owned by the Army and private developer' 'March 23, 2011'

"The Hawaii Agricultural Foundation is seeking farmer tenants to lease farm lots in Kunia. The land was formerly owned by Campbell Estate, but the Army and a private developer formed a partnership to buy the land..." "...much of the land is now being leased to Monsanto to grow GMO corn." "Why is the Army engaging in private real estate investment and development?" "Environmental review for the acquisition and development of the land was not conducted." "The growing partnership between GMO agribusiness and the military in Hawaii is also disturbing."

So we've got the Army, the USDA and Monsanto in an unholy trinity experimenting with the people of Hawaii. That's just great.

Originally posted by luxordelphi

I mentioned aluminum in the ground because this is a Monsanto endeavor - aluminum resistant plants. A lot of states have strict laws covering aluminum factories and their pollution of the environment but maybe in Hawaii they are not so strict - I don't know. I do know that a state - Oregon - with some of the strictest laws on aluminum pollution dating back to the 1950's and 1960's has a problem with aluminum in the soil. It doesn't spontaneously materialize topside. It gets there by being put there. As far as aluminum resistant plants being researched 100 years ago - I don't know anything about that BUT I'm against it whether 100 years ago or this very moment. I'm against GMO's of any kind if that was even slightly unclear before. I don't want to eat aluminum resistant plants nor do I want aluminum resistant flowers in my garden.

As far as aluminum coming out of the ground - so does arsenic. New Mexico has a big problem with arsenic in the water. Should we then develop arsenic resistant plants? Give me a break. Like I said, there are strict rules for aluminum factory type places to avoid polluting the environment with aluminum so whether or not it comes out of the ground is irrelevant.

You seem to have a bit of a problem falling for junk science and believing every allegation put forth on conspiracy sites. Take a breath, put away the conspiracy websites, and pick up some kind of earth science book, or something regarding geology or geochemistry.

First of all, you need to realize that Aluminum makes up about 8 percent of the Earths crust, making it one of the most abundant elements. This is not disinfo, it is the total truth, but the conspiracy promoters never tell you this, on purpose.

And no, we cant add more Aluminum to the earth. Its extremely common and ANY soil sample you take, will have it to some degree. Correct, it did not just recently materialize there, its ALWAYS been there. And no, airplanes did not put it there.

If you think Aluminum is not part of the earth, do you think (like Roxy Lopez) that we are mining out in space and bringing it here?

Do you think that working on Aluminum resistant crops almost 100 years ago, was a conspiracy?

Do you think any metal or metal compound found in the earth, was put there by airplanes?

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Who is Roxy Lopez? and please calm down - this thread is not about chemtrails; it's about blowing dust (possibly containing Monsanto Frankenstein-like particles) from sugarcane fields in Hawaii and the possibility of those causing asthma during harvest. And - you are winning this argument anyway because for Joe Blow to try and fight Monsanto in league with the USDA and the Army is way beyond David and Goliath. It's going to take an act of God.