Multi-agency armed raid hits Rawesome Foods, Healthy Family Farms for selling raw milk and cheese

Originally posted by neonitus
reply to post by eXia7

 

they did, though its much safer to drink pasteurised milk. you want to drink raw milk, go ahead

It should be a persons choice to decide if they want to drink unpasteurised milk and cheese. Fast food chains are allowed to offer portions which are way too large to be healthy, but we don't see swat raiding maccas do we?

I've drank raw unpasteurised milk myself, straight from the cow, I'm still alive. And it tasted better actually.
But to each his own.

Originally posted by neonitus
reply to post by jdub297

 

do you really think our tyranical elitist overlords give a # what you put in your coffee?
this story is about jack#ss farmers who want to save a few bucks.

this thread has been a magnet for idiots, yes we know its not perfect, but its the law, obey the law.

edit on 4-8-2011 by neonitus because: (no reason given)

"this thread has been a magnet for idiots" So far just one

I'm wondering why you have been posting so often on a subject you obviously know so little about?

Originally posted by Tholidor
reply to post by newcovenant

 

I drink raw milk. I take the chance.

Now let me get this straight, you claim to have lost a family member in the distant past due to raw milk, yet you still ingest that evil substance. That statement doesn't exactly support your position does it?

I understand that in the early 1900's when my mother lost her sister this was quite common.
I don't drink raw milk all the time. I drink it as sort of a treat understanding I am taking a risk. I drink a great deal of milk and so I go for organic since I am limited to what we have nearby. When I was a child I drank straight from the cows tit but again only now and then.
And as child our milk WAS pasteurized AND IT STILL HAD THE CREAM ON TOP and tasted a lot more wholesome than milk today.

Do I think it is unconscionable for the government or FDA to raid an establishment that sells unpasteurized milk? No. There might be any number of reasons for the raid. If all of a sudden people began dropping dead due to some bad practice, ignorance or oversight you certainly would hold the governments feet to the fire for giving an operation like this a license to conduct business.

This thread is designed to outrage, and make people afraid the government is going to knock down your door and raid your fridge. Hardly.

Originally posted by MegaMind

Originally posted by newcovenant
reply to post by pryingopen3rdeye

 

You have no right telling strangers what chances they have the right to take.

No, I don't but the FDA does.
Get this straight....
I lost an aunt due to this practice and so sorry if I don't agree and never will.
I think I still have that right don't I?

edit on 4-8-2011 by newcovenant because: (no reason given)

Well someone just lost someone due to the ground turkey that's being recalled. Guess that should be about it for ground turkey. You mess up once and you're outa here huh?

Oh and what about the spinach outbreak? bye bye popeye

Get off your high horse. Lots of people have relatives die from something. doesn't mean everything should be banned because it caused their death. Harry died from choking on a piece of steak. I would have my uncle harry if it weren't for steak - OUTLAW STEAKS NOW!!

edit on 4-8-2011 by MegaMind because: (no reason given)

Oh mega mind....did they ban raw milk?

Is drinking raw milk actually ILLEGAL now.

I guess I misunderstood this thread so sorry about that I was not aware of a ban on raw milk.
I know it might be difficult to get a license to sell it... but not impossible.

I'll jump off the horse if you will not blow things out of proportion.

Originally posted by neonitus
reply to post by jdub297

 

do you really think our tyranical elitist overlords give a # what you put in your coffee?
this story is about jack#ss farmers who want to save a few bucks.

this thread has been a magnet for idiots, yes we know its not perfect, but its the law, obey the law.

edit on 4-8-2011 by neonitus because: (no reason given)

god save us from jackass posters too, who are apologist for every excess of fascist government
america has cancer

the agenda of these glassy eyed posters is transparant

reply to post by jdub297


What is he actually being charged with? The original article doesn't really state. Is it for the selling of raw foods or something about the money? It sounds as if it's legal to sell raw food in California, so what was he arrested for?

Originally posted by donotinducevomiting

Originally posted by neonitus
reply to post by jdub297

 

do you really think our tyranical elitist overlords give a # what you put in your coffee?
this story is about jack#ss farmers who want to save a few bucks.

this thread has been a magnet for idiots, yes we know its not perfect, but its the law, obey the law.

edit on 4-8-2011 by neonitus because: (no reason given)

god save us from jackass posters too, who are apologist for every excess of fascist government
america has cancer

the agenda of these glassy eyed posters is transparant

Like the Colbert report?

Colbert Report: Rawesome Foods Raid
www.colbertnation.com...

Originally posted by neonitus
i think its a legal requirement for milk to be pasteurised (and cheese). they just shut down an illegal farm that was endangering the public.

edit on 3-8-2011 by neonitus because: cant spell

Pasteurization kills all of the nutrients in the milk and cheese. It kills the good enzymes and bacteria that your gut needs to process correctly all of the food we throw at it. (Microwaving does the same thing) As long as the milk and cheese is organic it it better for you than pasteurized. Pasteurization just pads the pockets of TPTB. A sick population is an easily controlled population. You ever think about how we got so sick and diabetes, high blood pressure and cancer is out of control? You are what you eat. We can eat our way to health, believe it or not but crap inc- crap out. They don't want us healthy and whole. They want us sick and pouring dollars into the big Phama.

This raid as others have indicated was not an isolated incidence. Unfortunately it is becoming common place.

However the actual fight is about something else entirely.

In Vermont, Linda Faillace of "MAD Sheep" fame stated:

And how seriously does USDA take public input? In July 2000, USDA officials claimed in our court hearing that,

“The farmers have no rights. No right to be heard before the court, no right to independent testing, and no right to question the USDA.”

The arrogance of the agency has only grown. www.vtcommons.org...

Creekstone Farms wanted to test 100% of the cattle they process for Mad Cow. Not only is USDA blocking Creekstone, the department said last month that it's reducing its mad cow testing program by 90%.

HENSHAW INCIDENT:

...he [Danny] and Cindi were controlled around the clock by armed guards from September 12th through September 22nd.
The Henshaws were not provided with any test reports....
The hogs that were shot were apparently not tested,...
Arkansas regulations allow 180 days for sell out for slaughter before an order of mandatory destruction is issued. Pseudorabies infected hogs are safe for human consumption. The Henshaws should have been allowed to sell their hogs for slaughter, if pseudorabies had been detected,

but they were not allowed to test, confirm the presence of pseudorabies, or sell their hogs

Danny had worked as an undercover narcotics agent and said that this attack goes well beyond his experience as a law officer. nonais.org...

FDA's Response to FTCLDF Suit over Interstate Raw Milk Ban

Here are some of FDA's views expressed in its response on 'freedom of food choice' in general and on the right to obtain and consume raw milk in particular:

* "Plaintiffs' assertion of a new 'fundamental right' to produce, obtain, and consume unpasteurized milk lacks any support in law." [p. 4]

* "It is within HHS's authority . . . to institute an intrastate ban [on unpasteurized milk] as well." [p. 6]

* "Plaintiffs' assertion of a new 'fundamental right' under substantive due process to produce, obtain, and consume unpasteurized milk lacks any support in law." [p.17]

* "There is no absolute right to consume or feed children any particular food." [p. 25]

* "There is no 'deeply rooted' historical tradition of unfettered access to foods of all kinds." [p. 26]]

* "Plaintiffs' assertion of a 'fundamental right to their own bodily and physical health, which includes what foods they do and do not choose to consume for themselves and their families' is similarly unavailing because plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to obtain any food they wish." [p. 26]

* "There is no fundamental right to freedom of contract." [p. 27]]

www.ftcldf.org...

""Plaintiffs' assertion of a new 'fundamental right' to produce, obtain, and consume unpasteurized milk lacks any support in law." HUH! Our intrinsic rights over our own bodies and what we eat now must have "Support in law" cases????


It boils down to a very simple question do the INDIVIDUAL citizens in the USA grant the government their rights (via the Constitution) or does the government hold all rights except those it expressly grants to the individual?

Are our right inherently that of the Individual or are they the rights of the "Collective" where the government, as the largest "group" grant all rights??? Where the rights of the collective are ALWAYS more important than that of any individual.

THAT is the real question being asked.

It was also asked in New Orleans after Katrina.

In news coverage of this tragedy, the most significant events often were buried beneath... here were too many instances for this to be merely a mistake or a bureaucratic snafu. There is a clear pattern here that cannot be denied.... [article contains a long list of news articles -cached]

Were agents of the federal government trying to kill American citizens? Were they trying to obtain the maximum death toll and the highest level of human suffering? It would seem that way at first, but I would like to suggest that this incredible behavior stems from something else - something equally unsettling.

The only legitimate function of government is to protect the lives, liberty, and property of its citizens.

In New Orleans, however, it was clear that the primary job of the military, FEMA, and Homeland Security was, not to protect citizens, but to protect the government and keep it functioning....

www.freedom-force.org...

The BP oil disaster was the same sort of thing, protecting bureaucratic turf and CYA were given priority. The welfare of the GOVERNMENT has the highest priority.

To clarify this incident for those deliberately or accidentally mis-informed...

The official word from the DA's office is that Stewart, Palmer & Bloch were arrested on criminal conspiracy charges stemming from the alleged illegal production and sale of unpasteurized goat milk, goat cheese, yogurt and kefir. The arrests are the result of a year-long sting. The 13-count complaint alleges that an undercover agent received goat milk, stored in a cooler in the back of Healthy Family Farms van, in the parking lot of a grocery store.

While it's legal to manufacture and sell unpasteurized dairy products in California, licenses and permits are required. Rawesome may have violated regulations by selling raw dairy products to non-members.]

blogs.laweekly.com...

Originally posted by mustangill
reply to post by neonitus

 

Actually, it is not safer to drink pasteurized milk. I cant drink it since I am allergic to something that is inside it. I cant drink any milk that comes from a store I don't know why but it makes my stomach hurt. This includes whole milk, Sweet Acidophiles, soy, ect,. I've tried them all so, I just gave up and I don't drink milk at all.

Try Hemp milk or Almond Milk or Rice Milk. I enjoy all of these when I must have milk for my cereal. I do not drink milk very often. The Milk producers have us convinced we need milk everyday, but you can get calcium from vegetable sources. When was the last time you saw a grown cow drinking milk? And the free range organic cows have no problems with their bones.

Originally posted by newcovenant

Originally posted by donotinducevomiting

Originally posted by neonitus
reply to post by jdub297

 

do you really think our tyranical elitist overlords give a # what you put in your coffee?
this story is about jack#ss farmers who want to save a few bucks.

this thread has been a magnet for idiots, yes we know its not perfect, but its the law, obey the law.

edit on 4-8-2011 by neonitus because: (no reason given)

god save us from jackass posters too, who are apologist for every excess of fascist government
america has cancer

the agenda of these glassy eyed posters is transparant

Like the Colbert report?

Colbert Report: Rawesome Foods Raid
www.colbertnation.com...

That was a really strange vid. Usually Colbert is on the side of logic and freedom, but he seemed to be on the fence there. I haven't watched his show for a long while, but maybe he's changed? And I can see why everyone loves Ron Paul from that vid.

It should be an adult human beings choice to ingest whatever the hell they choose.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


and also
The United States is the only developed nation to permit humans to drink milk from cows give artificial growth hormone. Posilac was banned from use in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and all European Union countries (currently numbering 27), by 2000 or earlier.

reply to post by BoneMosaic

It should be an adult human beings choice to ingest whatever the hell they choose.

I agree and I wonder not only ....Why isn't marijuana legal?

Why don't PEOPLE IN FAVOR OF INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS...make it legal? Insist on it?

What freedom or individual choice to make our own decisions can we even say we had?

What voice, say or rights do people have if they are not allowed to grow a harmless natural plant?

Yet gramps has all the booze his liver can't handle. Doesn't make sense. None at all.

You can't say they are taking rights away, if you never had them in the first place.

reply to post by jdub297


Pasteurization increases shelf life not makes it better for you. Longer shelf life equals more money. Why do you think the mail man used to deliver every week back in the good old days. Raw milk settles and looks weird, but is is sooooo much healthier for you.

reply to post by newcovenant


Of course pasteurization does not prevent separation in milk. That process is homogenization - a centrifugal process that breaks down the butter fat allowing it to remain in a colliodal suspension within the finished milk.

But the point of this thread is whether or not an agency of the federal government has the right to deny you your occasional "treat" through edict. Personally, I don't agree that any federal agency has the right to interfere in private commerce - especially in this case where the customers, like yourself, have made the informed decision to purchase a particular product. Keep in mind that this is a private "co-op" and not open to the general public.

Also, in my opinion, the governments limited resources would be better spent in regulating the horrific conditions that exist on the "factory farms" than in raiding family farms and co-ops. But then again, large agri-businesses can afford more political donations than can the small agricultural producer. Therein lies the problem.

On the other hand, I would no more drink unpasteurized milk from a factory farm than I would guzzle a bottle of Drano. I will however continue to use raw milk from my friend who is a local dairyman. I know the family, I know how the cows are treated and I know the Vet. who inspects them. (OK, I'll admit it - I even know the names of some of his cows..LOL)

This raid in California, as well as the recent actions against the Amish farmers, smacks more of a Mafia-style elimination of the competition than a sincere desire to protect the public.

reply to post by Tholidor

But the point of this thread is whether or not an agency of the federal government has the right to deny you your occasional "treat" through edict. Personally, I don't agree that any federal agency has the right to interfere in private commerce - especially in this case where the customers, like yourself, have made the informed decision to purchase a particular product. Keep in mind that this is a private "co-op" and not open to the general public.

Yes I understand and in many ways agree with you.
This incident however is a little different.

They MAY sell their product to members of their club.
And I think it was a wonderful idea that people join and agree to the certain amount of small but genuine RISK there might be. It is a great company and if I lived near there I would probably have joined them myself.

What they were raided for and charged with has nothing to do with their product.
They were raided for selling to "unsuspecting" non-members.

The same thing happened in Ohio last year. The wife and children were coralled into a room and held throughout the raid by police wearing all-black uniforms and carrying assault rifles. Some states have now made it illegal to drink unpasturized milk from YOUR OWN COWS AND GOATS!

I read that only 2 examples of fresh milk related illness occurred in the entire country during in nearly 20 years. That makes it safer than ANY fresh vegetables INCLUDING organicly grown vegetables out of YOUR OWN GARDEN!

Bottom Line: The Fed wants to control food supply and make sure they can tax everything. The Dems even proposed a GARDEN TAX during the Clinton administration. The tax was to be levied by the square foot...

reply to post by neonitus


I believe it is legislated at the state level whether milk must be pasteurized. Unpasteurized milk and cheese is a serious serious health risk which can cause severe illness and death, especially to children and the elderly. There is nothing conspiratorial about this, it's a public health issue.

reply to post by neonitus


For your information,raw milk does not spoil!
Raw milk changes to something else as it ages.
I assume you have heard of sour cream that tastes
great on baked potatoes,tacos,nachoes...

www.raw-milk-facts.com...


www.ehow.com...