Multi-agency armed raid hits Rawesome Foods, Healthy Family Farms for selling raw milk and cheese

Originally posted by mustangill
reply to post by neonitus

 

Actually, it is not safer to drink pasteurized milk. I cant drink it since I am allergic to something that is inside it. I cant drink any milk that comes from a store I don't know why but it makes my stomach hurt. This includes whole milk, Sweet Acidophiles, soy, ect,. I've tried them all so, I just gave up and I don't drink milk at all.

of course it isn't any safer. if it were we would have grown up hearing mass milk death stories akin to the bubonic plague, considering most of the world drinks raw milk.

Originally posted by Trueman
reply to post by highpriestess

 

Yeah, I remember going to the farmer and watch them milking the cows right in front of us. At home, we made it boil real quick and that was all. The problem with the raw milk today is all the crap they give to the cows, like the antibiotics and the RBST (Recombinant bovine somatotropin). We should reconsider if milk can be called "good for you".

That's a good point. RBST was never allowed in Canada because it was proven to be a toxin.

Now it all makes sense. Americans have to drink pasteurized milk because they load up their cows with toxins on industrial farms

some of these replys are quite silly.
pasteurised milk is safer, thats a fact. you know what people who argue against facts are dont you?
food laws usually have a pretty good reason behind them. this farm was talking short cuts to make more money whilst endangering their customers.

to truman: yeah that is an EXCELLENT point. the same crap goes on in the world of chickens, i think.

but, the fact remains, that in a free society we should be able to decide for ourselves. take our chances, if we choose to. We should be allowed to choose. As with the point about cigarettes being perfectly legal. They are required to have a health warning label on them. Why not the same for milk? Pasteurized milk should still be available to be purchased from stores, etc... yet consumers could also be allowed to purchase raw milk from dairies, with a label clearly stating that the milk is UNpasteurized. The fact that this isn't even considered, goes to show that it is about MONEY, not food safety. (I cringe any time i hear the word "safety" - that word usually is followed by "regulation" and "prohibition" and all manner of other power-mad terms.)

We should exersice our power as costumers and try to buy organic milk only. An strong demand of organic milk will force farmers in USA to stop using all that crap in their cows. Eventually, that demand will make organic milk cheaper.

(Maybe I'm dreaming).

Originally posted by neonitus
some of these replys are quite silly.
pasteurised milk is safer, thats a fact. you know what people who argue against facts are dont you?
food laws usually have a pretty good reason behind them. this farm was talking short cuts to make more money whilst endangering their customers.

a fact? citations, please.

From what I have read, people say this a choice that they should be allowed to make on their own. It is likely that one can become ill from drinking unpasturized milk but it is unlikely if it is handled properly. In high school I had a friend whos family owned a dairy and we drank milk straight from the bulk tank used to store milk directly after milking the cows and we never got ill.

Originally posted by neonitus
some of these replys are quite silly.
pasteurised milk is safer, thats a fact. you know what people who argue against facts are dont you?
food laws usually have a pretty good reason behind them. this farm was talking short cuts to make more money whilst endangering their customers.

Well, I am an expert in this. My work envolves all the process of the milk. I've been doing that for years. Unfortunately it doesn't matter if we are right, we are under the FDA regulations, like it or not.

a fact? citations, please.

are you serious?

Originally posted by isitjustme
From what I have read, people say this a choice that they should be allowed to make on their own. It is likely that one can become ill from drinking unpasturized milk but it is unlikely if it is handled properly. In high school I had a friend whos family owned a dairy and we drank milk straight from the bulk tank used to store milk directly after milking the cows and we never got ill.

if you do a little research, there are MANY, MANY cases of salmonella and other outbreaks in PASTEURIZED milk:


1997, 28 persons ill from Salmonella in California, ALL FROM PASTEURIZED MILK.

1996, 46 persons ill from Campylobacter and Salmonella in California.

1994, 105 persons ill from E. coli and Listeria in California

March of 1985 19,660 confirmed cases of Salmonella typhimurium illness FROM CONSUMING PROPERLY PASTEURIZED MILK. Over 200,000 people ill from Salmonella typhimurium in PASTEURIZED MILK

1985, 142 cases and 47 deaths traced to PASTEURIZED Mexican-style cheese contaminated with Listeria monocytogenes. Listeria monocytogenes SURVIVES PASTEURIZATION!

1985, 1500 persons ill from Salmonella infection

August of 1984 approximately 200 persons became ill with a Salmonella typhimurium from CONSUMING PASTEURIZED MILK

November of 1984, another outbreak of Salmonella typhimurium illness from CONSUMING PASTEURIZED MILK

1983, over 49 persons with Listeria illness have been associated with the consumption of PASTEURIZED MILK in Massachusetts.

1993, 28 persons ill from Salmonella infection

1982, 172 persons ill (100 hospitalized) from a three Southern state area from PASTEURIZED MILK.

1982, over 17,000 persons became ill with Yersinia enterocolitica from PASTEURIZED MILK bottled in Memphis, Tennessee.


Source: www.mnwelldir.org...

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Originally posted by neonitus
reply to post by eXia7

 

they did, though its much safer to drink pasteurised milk. you want to drink raw milk, go ahead

We can't...


They got shut down....

Originally posted by neonitus
i think its a legal requirement for milk to be pasteurised (and cheese). they just shut down an illegal farm that was endangering the public.

edit on 3-8-2011 by neonitus because: cant spell

Pasteurization eliminates bacteria from the substance heated to just below boiling, it does nothing to the substance after it is cooled and jhamdled by others.

Homogenization keeps the larger particles of a mixture from settling out as quickly as they would naturally.

.Neither process guarnatees safety, and each adds another layer of human and machine manipulation of your food.

Please identify the "danger" from which this knowing, co-operative "public" were unable to account for themselves.

Why should some bureaucracy decide what is good for me if I want it regardless?

Would you feel better if raw milk carried ugly pictures of mold, or some government doctors' warnings?

What else do you think they should prevent smart people from eating, drinking, wearing or washing in?

Did you ask for permission or read the warnings on your toothpsaste, soap, pancake mix, cereal or margarine?
Of course, you wouldn't eat anything from a farmers' garden or market, since it has been handled by people, instead of a corporation or gov't agency would you?

deny ignorance

jw

Originally posted by neonitus
some of these replys are quite silly.
pasteurised milk is safer, thats a fact. you know what people who argue against facts are dont you?
food laws usually have a pretty good reason behind them. this farm was talking short cuts to make more money whilst endangering their customers.

I come from a farming village. I know for a fact that farmers drink unpasteurized milk.

However, you don't seem to understand the difference between family farms and industrial farms. Family farms don't load their animals full of chemicals and harmones. This means you can drink their milk and even eat the beef without bleaching it.

The same argument for the milk also applies to beef. Have you ever seen the production of factory farm cows? You can't eat that beef without putting it through bleaching processes to kill the ecoli that festers in factory farming conditions.

If the milk in the article came from properly raised cows, then it is better to drink than pasteurized milk.

reply to post by Dimitri Dzengalshlevi


i was going to say that as well... that sometimes outbreaks are a result of the feedlot - the way the animals are kept prior to slaughter (or milking), and not-so-much about the way the product is handled afterwards. Keep the animals in a healthy environment and take care of them and the need for all the "processes" the product has to go though significantly lessens.

reply to post by neonitus

pasteurised milk is safer, thats a fact. you know what people who argue against facts are dont you?
food laws usually have a pretty good reason behind them. this farm was talking short cuts to make more money whilst endangering their customers....

Your really should do a bit of research.

Information on the raw milk vs pasteurized fight during the time of the passing of the first laws is available.

Pasteurized actually lost the battle, MONEY won the law. Raw milk is much better for you and not really any "safer" according to the testing done.


The current battle is again hiding a stinky nasty mess if you bother to lift the rock and look for it.

In a nutshell the FDA is trying to cover their rear because if the public ever found out what they had done to the food in this country they would get LYNCHED FOR MURDER and rightly so!

Here is a hint: SHIELDING THE GIANT: USDA's “Don't Look, Don't Know” Policy

I have the research I did some where specifically on milk and I might dig it out if I feel like it later but that is a good start.

Originally posted by neonitus
food laws usually have a pretty good reason behind them. this farm was talking short cuts to make more money whilst endangering their customers.

This farmer sold to members if a co-op who prefer natural products over processed foods. They knew what they were buying and were willing buyers.

You know what willing buyers and willing sellers make? A free market!

These weren't "short-cuts;" they were a conscious decision to provide a pure, natural product to consumers who knew what they wanted and were willing to pay for.

Do you really believe that processed, government-approved products are the best for you?
Have you read the labels on any of the processed foods you have in your cabinets or 'fridge?
Sodium silicate, sodium nitrite, calcium carbonate and silica are comminly added to foods to preserve color and texture, or as extenders. What makes you think adding dirt, rocks, bleach and poison are good for you?

Deny ignorance

jw

I have been buying from James for ten years. He is the best of the best of the best. His refrigerators are pristine and beyond requirements and so are the farms who are the purveyors of the produce and dairy.

James has always had the health of the community as his top priority.



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Originally posted by Trueman
We should exersice our power as costumers and try to buy organic milk only. An strong demand of organic milk will force farmers in USA to stop using all that crap in their cows. Eventually, that demand will make organic milk cheaper.

(Maybe I'm dreaming).

Unfortunately, in foods the term "organic" is a government-regulated label. Buying "organic" doesn't really guarantee that what you get is what you expect.

You best bet is to know your source.

My grandparents had 200 acres of farmland and produced a lot of what I ate as a child. Most of it would be illegal to sell today.

Progress? Safety? More like "one size fits all;" and :"we (corporate farms and gov't regs.) know what's best."

How Pathetic.

jw

Big Agra strikes again. Absolutely disgusting putting people through this nonsense all because they want wholesome dairy. I'm not too far from LA and I think I might join the protest tomorrow morning when they hold the trial @ 8am. That jury better nullify.