A few moral questions for you guys.How do YOU answer?

Originally posted by DrumsRfun

The intention of my thread is to try to learn more....nothing more,nothing less.
Hopefully,I will learn more by interacting with my fellow atsers.

1.If you didn't trust who you worked for,would it mean enough to you that you would leave your job?
(even though the economy is bad and you get paid good money)

2.Would you go into a corner store for a bum who needed food but you knew he was giving you 10 bucks in change?(and you had no wallet or cash and only spent yer last 2 bucks in change on gum)
Would you have the patience to count it out for him,or would you walk away??

3.If you found an injured animal that "more than likely might not make it"....would you kill it out of mercy or try to rescue it or walk away??

4.If someone dropped their wallet and YOU were penniless...would you still give him the wallet back??

Have a good day

no 1, no problem im planning on leaving in a couple of weeks anyway, im not happy with the way things are.
no 2 IF a man was hungry ofcourse id go and buy him food, and i couldnt give a monkeys how long it takes to count out the money.
.3 IL come back to that one.#
4. Ive given a full wallet back where i work, but it has to be said if i had no money and no food for my kids i dont know, its a bad thing but i might take a couple of quid but give the rest back, .
Although as i get older i find it doent pay to be decent and honest, but ill carry on to the best of my ability.
no3 In the Uk we have PDSA (peoples dispensary for sick animals) and they will help animals for a small donation or none at all if you dont have it, however if the animal was literally dying in front of my eyes, i would feel compelled to end its life, but the only think that would worry me was if i i messed up and didnt do the job properly.

reply to post by Forevever


No, I know Cleveland has a EBT program, But I watched her peel paper off the book to pay for her purchases. I have no problem with that.

But there is a huge food stamp scam going on here...how don’t know how it is done, I profess ignorance as I have no inclination to scam anybody.

I do try to do right by my fellow human, even though sometimes, my idea of doing right may be construed as wrong , by some.

Originally posted by DrumsRfun

1.If you didn't trust who you worked for,would it mean enough to you that you would leave your job?
(even though the economy is bad and you get paid good money)

Yes, and I have.

2.Would you go into a corner store for a bum who needed food but you knew he was giving you 10 bucks in change?(and you had no wallet or cash and only spent yer last 2 bucks in change on gum)
Would you have the patience to count it out for him,or would you walk away??

Yes, and I have Well kinda. A homeless guy handed me a bag of subway tokens and asked if I could go cash them in for him, as he wasn't allowed in the subway station. Though I've only had good experiences with homeless people, and if someone was hungry and all they had on them was loose change, there's no doubt I'd buy them whatever no matter how long it took to sort it out.

3.If you found an injured animal that "more than likely might not make it"....would you kill it out of mercy or try to rescue it or walk away??

I have never killed an animal that I was certain would not make it, though to be honest I have contemplated doing it. I've usually brought them home to try and nurse them back to health, ranging from small mice/birds/chipmunks to dogs/cats, with some not even making it the journey back to my place. Actually, 2 of the cats I took in were so severely neglected they didn't even look like any kind of animal I'd ever seen, and now they're as healthy and happy as can be.

4.If someone dropped their wallet and YOU were penniless...would you still give him the wallet back??

I haven't ever found someone's wallet, actually. However I have been walking behind people numerous times where they've dropped a chunk of change [ranging from 5 bucks, and once a $100 bill]... always gave it back, and I've been fortunate that others have done the same for me. And I've basically been penniless for the majority of my life. Though there have been times where I've just found money laying on the ground and picked it up and kept it, and once I walked up to a bank machine and before I even put my card in, a 20 popped out. Should have seen the look on my face - I just sat there and stared at it for some time before I finally gave in and took it. Is that bad of me?



Have a good day

Originally posted by DrumsRfun

The intention of my thread is to try to learn more....nothing more,nothing less.
Hopefully,I will learn more by interacting with my fellow atsers.

1.If you didn't trust who you worked for,would it mean enough to you that you would leave your job?
(even though the economy is bad and you get paid good money)

2.Would you go into a corner store for a bum who needed food but you knew he was giving you 10 bucks in change?(and you had no wallet or cash and only spent yer last 2 bucks in change on gum)
Would you have the patience to count it out for him,or would you walk away??

3.If you found an injured animal that "more than likely might not make it"....would you kill it out of mercy or try to rescue it or walk away??

4.If someone dropped their wallet and YOU were penniless...would you still give him the wallet back??

Have a good day

1. Have done and would do so again..
2. As above..If the person is genuine and wasn't after booze then no problem. I've even had patience enough to help someone who everyone stepped over thinking they were a bum, when in fact it was just a confused old gentleman who'd had a few ales collapsed in the summer heat and gotten sunstroke so bad he couldn't remember where he lived.
3.If I had the way's and means to be sure I could put it out of it's misery in one swift action then I would.
4. I'd hand it in, money intact...Everyones in the same skint boat these days, likely some old pensioner lost it or some hard up family.

1. Provided they weren't diddling me out of money then I would stay there. Jobs are hard to come by and there's always someone you won't like or trust - unless they made it unbearable of course.

2. I'd have the patience.

3. I'd still try to rescue it and no way would I walk away.

4. I'd give it back if I knew where it came from. I'd always give a wallet back with all its contents but if it was just money I'd found then I'd probably keep it.

All these replies are similarish, and then im glad to be with a group of people who have the same sort of priciples. Two small stories i have which i have reminded me that not all people are decent and kind, I can remember well over 20 years ago someone passing an avon catalogue around work and me saying to the girl next to me "you know they test these products on animal dont you" (they dont now obviously) and her saying something back to me like "i dont give a s**t about some mice and dogs" and just laughing in my face.
story number 2, i was in the restaurant where i work the other night, and a young girl came in soaked to the skin, apparantly some girls had thrown her coat up into a tree, so i loaned her my brolly, saying make sure you return it next time your in the store (because i often see her there), . It never was returned, in fact i saw it in the middle of the road in my town, bent into all sorts of shapes because of all the cars driven over it.
SOMEONE PLEASE REMIND ME THAT IT IS, WORTH DOING GOOD DEEDS.
That was rhetorical , I know the real answer.

reply to post by DrumsRfun


The argument always lies within the context of deontological ethics and meta ehthics. Some subscribe to moral absolutism, others moral relativism.

Notwithstanding above abstractions, I find one's mirror to be the best compass in determining one's behavior even if it is contrary and/or objectionable to others' positions and dogmas. As such the moment reveals itself no matter how one believes they would act under the hypothetical scenarios you put forth. What one thinks one would do or is capable of, often differs from what they actually do when life presents itself. How and if they interpret their actions as 'good' or 'bad' will always be a mental exercise, usually more subject to their social conditioning that any measure of self awareness.

My honest, and probably deeply unsatisfactory answer to your questions, is I don't know.

reply to post by schrodingers dog


Thanks SDog for contributing to this thread!!
I might be too dumb to understand some parts of those links without reading them a few times but I appreciate the well thought out and educational response.

I have noticed you haven't been on much so I feel honored you would stop by in this thread and give some (as always) great info on the topic.

Nice to see you SD and thanks again.

1) I've worked for some untrustworthy people. Most people in business can be less than scrupulous, I've found, so no problem for me. I wouldn't take a job with a company such as furriers or vivisectionists though. I'd live on benefits before I'd do that.

2) If someone was prepared to trust me with what little money he had, I'd happily go and buy him food. Possibly even cigarettes. No alcohol, though.

3) That's tough. It's almost impossible to do the right thing for an injured animal. I've tried caring for small creatures and I've come to the conclusion that most of the time they're better off if you leave them. I tried to get a rescue centre to take a sick baby pigeon once, but they're not interested. And you never know how much you might hurt a creature just by moving it.

It's tough, so much would depend on the type of creature and the extent of its injuries. Sometimes, a peaceful end is the best you can hope for.

I certainly wouldn't try to kill anything bigger than a bug to put it out of its misery. Living in the country, I spend a lot of time moving small creatures out of the roads, mostly bees. I took one home once because I didn't think it would last and I was right. But instead of dying out in the fields, it died in a box with some small leaves and flowers I'd found to bed it down in. I felt terrible for it and didn't bring any more home.

Having said that, I did the same thing for a sick cockroach once. He wasn't used to flying about in the fields, so I think he may have been more comforted by my attentions

4) I'd definitely hand in the wallet, intact.