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Super Congress: Welcome to The United States of Goldman Sachs and Company
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reply to post by Signals
That is an interesting number, I must admit...
The 13th member is the most important one. Thats so there can never be "tie".
He is the tie breaker.
That is an interesting number, I must admit...
The 13th member is the most important one. Thats so there can never be "tie".
He is the tie breaker.
Congress can delegate their authority to the easter bunny if they wanted too. How in the world do you think Congress gets everything done that is
their responsiblitly according to the Constitution. They delegate the work.
The rest of this post has just as many uneducated statements in it so I won't bother addressing them all. This one is enough.
The rest of this post has just as many uneducated statements in it so I won't bother addressing them all. This one is enough.
Originally posted by Signals
BTW, how many disciples/apostles did Jesus choose?
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12, but 13 in total. Juda was replaced by Matthias
Originally posted by kro32
Congress can delegate their authority to the easter bunny if they wanted too. How in the world do you think Congress gets everything done.
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Rabbits are everywhere. www.abovetopsecret.com...
Originally posted by kro32
The rest of this post has just as many uneducated statements in it so I won't bother addressing them all. This one is enough.
Oh yeah, that Ron Paul...a terrorist and an uneducated man running for president.
reply to post by burntheships
He's not a terrorist nor uneducated....but I would never vote for him. The man can't see beyond his ideology....an ideology that cannot and will not work...and some of his stances are far too extreme.
Declaring that he wouldn't vote for the Civil Rights Act is one of them, fundamentally against SS and Medicare are a few others. (regardless of reasons)
Oh yeah, that Ron Paul...a terrorist and an uneducated man running for president.
He's not a terrorist nor uneducated....but I would never vote for him. The man can't see beyond his ideology....an ideology that cannot and will not work...and some of his stances are far too extreme.
Declaring that he wouldn't vote for the Civil Rights Act is one of them, fundamentally against SS and Medicare are a few others. (regardless of reasons)
reply to post by David9176
I think Ron Paul has some very good ideas and also some very bad ones. The main problem is that, as you stated, his ideas are very extreme and would never pass Congress. He is also unable to see past what he believes is right and will not compromise as his voting record clearly shows.
This would mean that he would accomplish absolutely nothing as President other than sitting in the Oval Office with his arms crossed and pouting that no one understands his way.
I think Ron Paul has some very good ideas and also some very bad ones. The main problem is that, as you stated, his ideas are very extreme and would never pass Congress. He is also unable to see past what he believes is right and will not compromise as his voting record clearly shows.
This would mean that he would accomplish absolutely nothing as President other than sitting in the Oval Office with his arms crossed and pouting that no one understands his way.
Originally posted by David9176
reply to post by burntheships
Oh yeah, that Ron Paul...a terrorist and an uneducated man running for president.
He's not a terrorist nor uneducated....
While he may never be (lucky man) POTUS, he certainly would uphold the tenents of
The Constitution.
Alas, the people voted in Obama. And they get what they deserve.
reply to post by kro32
Kro, we agree!!! I'm with him on foreign policy, ending the corruption of the financial system....but people seem to take that and let all of his other extreme stances go by...almost seemingly ignoring them.
I don't think he's evil, if that's what he truly believes...then so be it....but he's not electable. He's not talking about the working poor, the unemployed, etc.
He spends all his time talking about debt and the fed...."get government out of the way!"
Whether he likes it or not, millions and millions of Americans, especially the elderly, simply have to have SS and medicare or they aren't going to be able to survive.
That is a fact. Yes, government is corrupt...there is no doubt.....but corporations are beyond corrupt and the ones corrupting government. We can elect those in government (in theory) to end corruption in the system and corporate powerhouses. There is nothing however that can be done in a corporation to end corruption....after all...their motivation is to game the system for profits only.
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I think Ron Paul has some very good ideas and also some very bad ones.
Kro, we agree!!! I'm with him on foreign policy, ending the corruption of the financial system....but people seem to take that and let all of his other extreme stances go by...almost seemingly ignoring them.
I don't think he's evil, if that's what he truly believes...then so be it....but he's not electable. He's not talking about the working poor, the unemployed, etc.
He spends all his time talking about debt and the fed...."get government out of the way!"
Whether he likes it or not, millions and millions of Americans, especially the elderly, simply have to have SS and medicare or they aren't going to be able to survive.
That is a fact. Yes, government is corrupt...there is no doubt.....but corporations are beyond corrupt and the ones corrupting government. We can elect those in government (in theory) to end corruption in the system and corporate powerhouses. There is nothing however that can be done in a corporation to end corruption....after all...their motivation is to game the system for profits only.
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reply to post by David9176
I also think that whoever is running his campaign should be fired. Ron Paul spends entirely way too much time talking about the Fed. I was sitting in on a freshman history class last semester and the proffessor asked who knew what the Federal Reserve did. 2 kids raised their hands and 1 of em was wrong.
Basically people outside of ATS and other people in the know don't really care about this issue or even understand it. By him devoting so much energy to preaching about this, whether right or wrong, is alienating alot of voters and his poll numbers reflect this.
He needs to grab on to some other topics and push this fed one to the side for awhile.
I also think that whoever is running his campaign should be fired. Ron Paul spends entirely way too much time talking about the Fed. I was sitting in on a freshman history class last semester and the proffessor asked who knew what the Federal Reserve did. 2 kids raised their hands and 1 of em was wrong.
Basically people outside of ATS and other people in the know don't really care about this issue or even understand it. By him devoting so much energy to preaching about this, whether right or wrong, is alienating alot of voters and his poll numbers reflect this.
He needs to grab on to some other topics and push this fed one to the side for awhile.
reply to post by burntheships
If there is fault, it is invoking trust on someone who ending up not being trustworthy...and damned near all of us are guilty of that at one time or another...politically or not. Obama wasn't elected to cut programs that help the American people, or to continue tax cuts for the wealthy...or increase tax cuts for them.
It was the opposite...and he has absolutely failed in most respects.
IMO...he simply doesn't have the balls to do what is right....he caves in at every chance. He talks the talk but doesn't ever seem to come through.
He passed the debt ceiling with guaranteed cuts to the middle class and poor....it's coming. There is no doubt about it.
You might as well call it a cost of living increase....because that's exactly what it is.....a cut in spending on programs that help people is essentially an increase in taxes as it's less money in their pockets....the same effect as a tax increase.
While he may never be (lucky man) POTUS, he certainly would uphold the tenents of The Constitution. Alas, the people voted in Obama. And they get what they deserve.
If there is fault, it is invoking trust on someone who ending up not being trustworthy...and damned near all of us are guilty of that at one time or another...politically or not. Obama wasn't elected to cut programs that help the American people, or to continue tax cuts for the wealthy...or increase tax cuts for them.
It was the opposite...and he has absolutely failed in most respects.
IMO...he simply doesn't have the balls to do what is right....he caves in at every chance. He talks the talk but doesn't ever seem to come through.
He passed the debt ceiling with guaranteed cuts to the middle class and poor....it's coming. There is no doubt about it.
You might as well call it a cost of living increase....because that's exactly what it is.....a cut in spending on programs that help people is essentially an increase in taxes as it's less money in their pockets....the same effect as a tax increase.
reply to post by kro32
I agree. I know people on ATS hate me for doing it, but I've been criticizing the endless videos and threads pertaining to Ron Paul....and I used to post many of them myself back in the day.
Every video is literally the same exact thing...over and over. If you've seen him speak once that's all you need to see. And almost every single time, any thread with RP in the headline will get 100 flags and stars.
He can't win the elderly vote and he'll never get the minority vote....which means....HE WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT.
It's not a conspiracy....it is fact. Yes he may be popular among white males, but it doesn't go much further than that.
He needs to grab on to some other topics and push this fed one to the side for awhile.
I agree. I know people on ATS hate me for doing it, but I've been criticizing the endless videos and threads pertaining to Ron Paul....and I used to post many of them myself back in the day.
Every video is literally the same exact thing...over and over. If you've seen him speak once that's all you need to see. And almost every single time, any thread with RP in the headline will get 100 flags and stars.
He can't win the elderly vote and he'll never get the minority vote....which means....HE WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT.
It's not a conspiracy....it is fact. Yes he may be popular among white males, but it doesn't go much further than that.
reply to post by David9176
Well here's his voting record on alot of important issues so you can clearly see what will be brought up by his opponents if he ever were to get the nomination. He'd have alot of dirt thrown his way which he would have to spend alot of time on to convince people of his reasoning.
Especially the family ones. No on the Amber Alert System and No on parental leave...not good issues for him at face value.
www.ontheissues.org...
Well here's his voting record on alot of important issues so you can clearly see what will be brought up by his opponents if he ever were to get the nomination. He'd have alot of dirt thrown his way which he would have to spend alot of time on to convince people of his reasoning.
Especially the family ones. No on the Amber Alert System and No on parental leave...not good issues for him at face value.
www.ontheissues.org...
reply to post by David9176
At this point in the game, there is no point in pinning a fault on anyone...
The game has moved way past the battlegrounds of the U.S.
Obama, he is just a puppet. Ron Paul would sit in the chair with his arms crossed,
and thats why he will never be elected. He is too idealist to let someone hook him
with puppet strings.
Ron Paul is just one person who calls this Super Congress out though.
The creation of this Congress...along with being a stealth Coup is just
professional procrastination.
And now that the debt ceiling is raised, its off to the races to borrow 72 Billion in a Debt auction next week
All of the issues are still there, there is no solution.
This just opens the gate for more debt, puts control of the issues in the lobbyists hands,
in a very condensed form of power.
At this point in the game, there is no point in pinning a fault on anyone...
The game has moved way past the battlegrounds of the U.S.
Obama, he is just a puppet. Ron Paul would sit in the chair with his arms crossed,
and thats why he will never be elected. He is too idealist to let someone hook him
with puppet strings.
Ron Paul is just one person who calls this Super Congress out though.
The creation of this Congress...along with being a stealth Coup is just
professional procrastination.
The U.S. government currently borrows 40 cents of every dollar that it spends.
And now that the debt ceiling is raised, its off to the races to borrow 72 Billion in a Debt auction next week
All of the issues are still there, there is no solution.
This just opens the gate for more debt, puts control of the issues in the lobbyists hands,
in a very condensed form of power.
reply to post by burntheships
This SuperCongress is nothing more than a commitee who will be used to come up with ideas because the rest of Congress is too lazy to do the work themselves. They will put up their recommendation to the full Congress and it will be debated back and forth as it is today then voted down and this "SuperCongress" will have to start from scratch.
It really doesn't change anything about the way work will get done in Congress.
This SuperCongress is nothing more than a commitee who will be used to come up with ideas because the rest of Congress is too lazy to do the work themselves. They will put up their recommendation to the full Congress and it will be debated back and forth as it is today then voted down and this "SuperCongress" will have to start from scratch.
It really doesn't change anything about the way work will get done in Congress.
reply to post by kro32
True....but if nothing is agreed...then spending cuts across the board...if i am correct...that is in the legislation. They have to agree to cuts and/or increased revenue or cuts are guaranteed.
If I am wrong, please do correct me on this, I have read some of the bill...but not all of it.
This SuperCongress is nothing more than a commitee who will be used to come up with ideas because the rest of Congress is too lazy to do the work themselves. They will put up their recommendation to the full Congress and it will be debated back and forth as it is today then voted down and this "SuperCongress" will have to start from scratch. It really doesn't change anything about the way work will get done in Congress.
True....but if nothing is agreed...then spending cuts across the board...if i am correct...that is in the legislation. They have to agree to cuts and/or increased revenue or cuts are guaranteed.
If I am wrong, please do correct me on this, I have read some of the bill...but not all of it.
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reply to post by David9176
Yes you are correct.
Here is the actual bill so you can look up information from the source.
rules.house.gov...
I have no problem with them setting ultimatums on themselves but I don't think it will ever go into effect. These Congressmen still have to answer to their constituents and they will still have input into the people on the panel drafting this up. The members of this "Supercongress" will still be following the lead of their respective parties it's just that the debate will be held between 12 people instead of the full Congress. I don't see their stances on what's important changing at all.
Yes you are correct.
Here is the actual bill so you can look up information from the source.
rules.house.gov...
I have no problem with them setting ultimatums on themselves but I don't think it will ever go into effect. These Congressmen still have to answer to their constituents and they will still have input into the people on the panel drafting this up. The members of this "Supercongress" will still be following the lead of their respective parties it's just that the debate will be held between 12 people instead of the full Congress. I don't see their stances on what's important changing at all.
Originally posted by kro32
It really doesn't change anything about the way work will get done in Congress.
Well people will debate the constitutional aspect ...it certainly alters the way legislation is
passed.
Legislation approved by the Super Congress — which some on Capitol Hill are calling the 'super committee' — would then be fast-tracked through both chambers, where it couldn't be amended by simple, regular lawmakers, who'd have the ability only to cast an up or down vote. With the weight of both leaderships behind it, a product originated by the Super Congress would have a strong chance of moving through the little Congress and quickly becoming law." www.thenewamerican.com...
reply to post by burntheships
There is nothing unconstitutional about it. Congress has the right to delegate any of their powers to whomever they choose. As far as the way things are done it still requires passage by Congress so that's not changing. I'd have to look up if they've ever set triggers like this before but i'm sure they have so that's probably nothing new either.
There is nothing unconstitutional about it. Congress has the right to delegate any of their powers to whomever they choose. As far as the way things are done it still requires passage by Congress so that's not changing. I'd have to look up if they've ever set triggers like this before but i'm sure they have so that's probably nothing new either.
reply to post by burntheships
As for Obama, i have no idea. For everyone that calls him a marxist, communist, socialist, etc.....i don't see it....regardless of any info of his past or his beliefs. It simply does not correlate with his current stances as President.
To me, Obama is weak. If a real President with balls went out and strongfully screamed on the side of working Americans, he would undoubtedly have their side. Yet, we see Obama stating, "Well SS and Medicare are on the table. Blah blah blah....cut programs...oh...and I demand a tax on corporate jets (which is nothing compared to the harm that cuts, even such as ending mortgage tax deductions,would cause)."
It's BS. How can a president expect to be re-elected when he no longer even stands what he was voted in for? People didn't vote Obama in to be a referee...a "man above the fray"....he's was supposed to be a man of the American working man. He has failed.
As for Ron Paul, you hit it on the head. I think he would be a total disaster as a President. No one would support most of his programs. It would be a waste of 4 years....and the economy would be in horrible shape...even at the end of his first term than now.
My father is a die hard Republican, DIE HARD. Votes R across the board every election. He thinks Ron Paul is a whack job. My father is also a Fox News viewer...loves bill o'reilly.....but...as many O'reilly viewers are......THEY DRAW SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE.
Obama, he is just a puppet. Ron Paul would sit in the chair with his arms crossed, and thats why he will never be elected. He is too idealist to let someone hook him with puppet strings.
As for Obama, i have no idea. For everyone that calls him a marxist, communist, socialist, etc.....i don't see it....regardless of any info of his past or his beliefs. It simply does not correlate with his current stances as President.
To me, Obama is weak. If a real President with balls went out and strongfully screamed on the side of working Americans, he would undoubtedly have their side. Yet, we see Obama stating, "Well SS and Medicare are on the table. Blah blah blah....cut programs...oh...and I demand a tax on corporate jets (which is nothing compared to the harm that cuts, even such as ending mortgage tax deductions,would cause)."
It's BS. How can a president expect to be re-elected when he no longer even stands what he was voted in for? People didn't vote Obama in to be a referee...a "man above the fray"....he's was supposed to be a man of the American working man. He has failed.
As for Ron Paul, you hit it on the head. I think he would be a total disaster as a President. No one would support most of his programs. It would be a waste of 4 years....and the economy would be in horrible shape...even at the end of his first term than now.
My father is a die hard Republican, DIE HARD. Votes R across the board every election. He thinks Ron Paul is a whack job. My father is also a Fox News viewer...loves bill o'reilly.....but...as many O'reilly viewers are......THEY DRAW SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE.