EDL leader wrote of torturing liberals, killing Archbishop and Prime minister.

Of course their are going to be Islamic elements in the coming conflicts. The mystery men behind all these religions didn't create them for fun.

I'm not sure why he names the Prime Minister in his hitlist, considering Cameron is one of the few British politicians of the past twenty years who had enough backbone to speak out against multiculturalism/cultural Marxism.

i have asked this in another thread. what exactly is our way of life?
is it the right to drink as much beer as possible religiously every
weekend? is it the right to spend a good proportion of ones weekly
wage to task the liver,kidneys and bladder into turbo mode?

mr cameron lectured us on the failure of multiculturism. was he aware
that even before the magna-carta people have moved in and out of this
land?
isn't mr cleggs wife from portugal? isn't this itself a marriage of
two cultures?

when the economy is thriving, these issues are put on the backburner
and no mention is heard of extremism. when the economy goes to ratcrap
you can be assured the politicians will brew a nice cup of deflection
and distraction for us commoners to chew the fat with.

being an infidel who has backpacked many times in muslim countries,
i can say that the majority of people i met offered pure hospitality.
no culture or religion is idiot-free. idiocy is a global malady and
imo the more responsibility one takes on the greater the idiot one
can potentially become.

as long as there is respect for each others opinions and ways of life,
all will be satisfactory. this imo works both ways.

f

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Well as someone who appears to be so unobservant that he cannot even point to what the Western way of life entails - I don't think I will be paying the slightest attention to your bland assurances about what you think Islam entails!

reply to post by CrankyPantsUK

This is a CONTROL issue and not a race issue

well, yes - this is it exactly - in a nutshell

it may not be racism - doesn't mean it's not bigotry

reply to post by mr-lizard


One of the few times I'd have to disagree mate.

The thread title is slightly mis-leading.

It implies that he would be committing or condoning the 'torture of liberals, killing an Archbishop and the Prime Minister' whereas in reality he never actually states anything of the sort.

What he does speak of is his fear and belief that in 20 - 30 years or so the UK could fragment into pockets of Islamic areas governed by radical interpretations of Sharia Law.
He then started comprising an imaginary list of people they would move into these 'enclaves', most of whom he believes will have been guilty of allowing these 'enclaves' to exist and what would happen to them due to the extremes of the Sharia Law.

Obviously the first thing he is guilty of is stupidity of the highest degree.
But nowhere does he imply that once 'we've got rid of The Muslims then we'll get the liberals' or other such utter bollocks.
What he is trying to do, in an unbelievably pathetic and ignorant way, is say that if, as he believes, and so do an increasing number of UK citizens, unless there are radical policy changes then fundamental Muslims will set up Sharia governed enclaves within the UK and wouldn't there be a certain amount of ironic justice if all the liberals, PC do-gooders, polticians etc who enabled it to happen were moved to these enclaves and witness at first hand Sharia Law.

Personally I think it would have been so easy to pick his article to pieces and ridicule him without any sensationalism or misrepresentation.

Despite having hopes for EDL in their early days I am beginning to have nothing but contempt for them...but, they are about the sole organisation who are attempting to represent what increasing numbers of Brits think and believe.

It's just an unbelievably crappy situation to be in and I certainly can't offer any magic solutions.

reply to post by JohhnyBGood

guess i hit a nerve with that.
please do enlighten me on my failings with this. we are after all here
to deny ignorance.
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Originally posted by fakedirt
reply to post by JohhnyBGood

 

guess i hit a nerve with that.
please do enlighten me on my failings with this. we are after all here
to deny ignorance.
f

OK......................you could start by paying attention to what the Islamic corpus of writings actually say! - not what Western apologists tell you Islam is, nor the whitewashed pablum that Islamic 'spokespeople' tell you!

You could listen to what current Islamic leaders are saying when they think no westerners are paying attention.

You could learn a little history from sources that are not beholden to Saudi funding, hobbled by political correctness, or simply too intimidated by death threats.

reply to post by JohhnyBGood


actual feet on the ground experience has taught me many things no westerner nor
islamic spokesperson could ever inform me of.
the spectrum of people i have spoken with varies from hill farmers
in the most fundamental areas to high ranking military and government officials in
cities and towns.
i have made friends for life across the divide and have been accepted into many
tribal areas most westerners visit in guarded excursion buses.
be under no illusion here, i am not an armchair tourist. the majority of my snooze
time has been spent on the ground.

20+ years experience of backpacking in n.africa and the middle east has i feel
given me enough perspective to understand the issues here.

regarding the islamic corpus of writings, yes i have read them. i have also read the old testament.
there are many things i disagree with and certain muslims have discussed these issues with me.
i do not intentionally travel to these countries to point out the unpalatable sections of their
belief/control systems, however i have met fundachristians who have and have nearly been torn
apart for pontificating on someone elses turf.
my enjoyment stems from music and the ability to play numerous instruments
including ones dusted off for me in said countries.

fundamental extremism has no place in the uk, whoever is holding the banner.
thankfully my sources do not include the saudi whahabist venom and it's iron
fist approach to justice.
any system that attacks the right to express through music has no place on this planet.
sufis have been murdered because of their love of music by groups who wish to impose
their version of how it should be.

i do appreciate your post as i thought you may ignore my reply/request. i also apologise regarding
the delay of response as a bereavement occured with a friend.

regards fakedirt