Evolution... a kids fairytale

Originally posted by samaka
In order for the big bang theory to even occur every trillions (and I'm just throwing a number out because the real number is unfathomable) of variables must be "perfect" and I don't care how big the universe really is because the chances of it occuring by chance is next to nil and that's just 1 event.

I wonder how many variables must be "perfect" for a creator to appear and then create the known universe.

I don't fully agree that we evolved from apes either, but to just say that religion is more credible is foolish. Evolution is just the theory we have now, as religion was the accepted theory not even 50 years ago.

As you stated in the OP, science is still "learning" new things every day, which causes us to go back and take a look at everything from a different angle. I think the ancient alien theory is (very) slowly gaining more credibility as time goes on, and maybe one day that will be the theory of the creation of humans.

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Where did God come from then? A supreme intelligence with the power to create the universe and all life on Earth just happened into existence? Is that more reasonable than a gradual evolution of life? I know, as a former Christian, that some simply claim that God has always existed, and therefore his origin is not a matter of debate, but this still requires some magic that far exceeds the requirements for the evolutionary process.

Sorry, I just don't see how it is possible to argue logically that evolution is impossible, but God is.

Originally posted by theshepherd92
I wonder how many variables must be "perfect" for a creator to appear and then create the known universe.

Ah, but don't you see? Only one.

evolution occurs when 2 difrent animals mate and the off spring live and there for add to the gynes pool of like its like breeding dogs to chang the color and patterns just remember that humans havent realy covered the whole planet for that long so there was alot more then just us #in on this planet

Originally posted by kalunom
I find it as likely that we evolved from apes as apes devolved from us.

I agree with you. We live under a certain, specific, set of laws (programs) that produce life out of what would otherwise be chaos or, equally likely, nothing at all.

Who wrote the rulebook? No idea, but to say that all this happened by chance is just lazy. And I say lazy because putting your faith in the theories of the much-revered scientists of our time is just that. Lazy.

As lazy as saying a man with a white beard created us? At least they are looking for answers instead of falling back on the old, God created us, song and dance. Science may not be perfect, but, they are learning and also learning from their mistakes. To say that scientists are not right because mistakes have been made and science is not right is comparable to saying that because a child doesn't get 100% in every class, the school might be in disrepair. It just doesn't make much sense.

I totally agree with the OP on this one, takes more faith to believe your ancestors were apes than believing in a CREATOR.

I'm wondering if anyone has seen any species turn into another species(not shapeshifting), dont tell me it takes millions of years of slight subtle changes so you cant give us any real proof, dont tell me about metamorphosis (we all know that doesnt count), and dont tell me about biological adaptations that dont involve one species turning into another species, so like all those atheists/debunkers who try and debunk everything they cant see I say where is your proof? pics/video or it didnt happen, anyone got any pics of an ape giving birth to an almost hariless being that walks upright constantly? No first hand evidence you say?, Oh, it takes millions or years, how convenient, I might try that one next time someone asks me for proof of a CREATOR, I'll tell them "the signs of a CREATOR are all around you, but unfortunately you havent evolved enough to comprehend this, it could take you a few million years so I have no first hand proof for you atm".

Oh yes, I dont know how stupid I sound right?, What's that?, you dont have first hand evidence and all you have is some bones that require FAITH to believe they gave birth to each other and you can't deal with this fact, ok gotcha, thanks for that.

Originally posted by Haxsaw
I'm wondering if anyone has seen any creature turn into another creature

Have you ever met a dog breeder?

Originally posted by Nosred

Originally posted by Haxsaw
I'm wondering if anyone has seen any creature turn into another creature

Have you ever met a dog breeder?

Is that your evidence a dog giving birth to another dog? you can do better than that surely

I will post this image directly for the sake of illumination.
(As it seems several lack the attention span to take a look at external sources...)

The problem is that you people want short answers for topics that requires years of study to grasp fully...
The bible gives you that, if that's your thing. It's your right after all.

Originally posted by Haxsaw
Is that your evidence a dog turning into a dog? you can do better than that surely

Well humans were able to breed this:




Into breeds as diverse as this:




And this:




Over only the past couple centuries. I asked if you'd ever met a dog breeder before because if you had, they'd be able to tell you all about it. Unless you're implying that dog breeding is all a scam? If a German Shepard mates with a mutt then their offspring will still be a full blooded German Shepard?

pics or vid or it didnt happen, I could sit giving what alot of people call evidence of a CREATOR, but the atheists still wont believe until they see the CREATOR, so likewise I'll wait for pics and/or video before I can rule out evolution being based on FAITH alone.

lol, on the dog breeding mate, I can show you a white women giving birth to a black mans baby too and the baby may look niether totally white nor totally black, does that mean the baby has evolved? give us a break, a dog giving birth to another dog is not evidence of evolution, if that is the best you have then your theroy is worse than I ever thought.

Originally posted by Haxsaw
pics or vid or it didnt happen, I could sit giving what alot of people call evidence of a CREATOR, but the atheists still wont believe until they see the CREATOR, so likewise I'll wait for pics and/or video before I can rule out evolution being based on FAITH alone.

Care to go to a local Museum?
Or library?
I hear they are free up there too, so..

This debate never gets anywhere. Never.

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What do you call those things above? Seriously, go talk to a dog breeder. They'll set you straight. Humans have literally observed the transformation of wolves into several completely distinct breeds. Give it a few more thousand years and those different breeds of dogs will be entirely different species. Hell, Chihuahua's and Great Dane's are already at the point where they can no longer breed with each other.

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Already addressed. A museum where they show you some bones that take FAITH to believe one gave birth to another? NO, doesnt cut it, still requires FAITH

Originally posted by Nosred
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What do you call those things above?

I call them dogs, what do you call them?

I'll be back to have a giggle at the lack of evidence a bit later, thanks for the laughs for now though

Originally posted by Haxsaw
lol, on the dog breeding mate, I can show you a white women giving birth to a black mans baby too and the baby may look niether totally white nor totally black, does that mean the baby has evolved?

Yes, yes it does. You just described evolution, which is the change over time in one or more inherited traits. If a trait is useful, then the people who have it will live longer and mate more to be able to pass it on to their offspring, who in turn pass it on to their offspring.

This really isn't a hard concept. Honestly, sometimes I get the feeling that creationist's concept of evolution is similar to what you see in pokemen.




Hint: This is not how it works.

Originally posted by Haxsaw

Originally posted by Nosred
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What do you call those things above?

I call them dogs, what do you call them?

You asked for pictures as evidence, I provided pictures that showed one species that evolved into another through humans interfering with natural selection.

Originally posted by Nosred

Originally posted by Haxsaw
lol, on the dog breeding mate, I can show you a white women giving birth to a black mans baby too and the baby may look niether totally white nor totally black, does that mean the baby has evolved?

Yes, yes it does. You just described evolution, which is the change over time in one or more inherited traits. If a trait is useful, then the people who have it will live longer and mate more to be able to pass it on to their offspring, who in turn pass it on to their offspring.

This really isn't a hard concept.

Nope, absolute fail, so first its one dog giving birth to antoehr dog, and now it's a white women giving birth to a black mans baby, and thats the best first hand evidence you have to prove that your ancestors were apes? wow, and I thought some christians had blind faith. Anyway back later for some more laughs, thanks for now.