Preliminary report on Alien Tissue and Fluid samples. PROOF, folks.

Originally posted by one4all
reply to post by SevenStarrz

 

Does the crocodile wrangler have an ak47 on his shoulder?

Does the wildlife officer tagging the lion have a machine gun in hands?

Does the orderly that trundles you around the hospital have a sidearm?

And these are humans of various races so of course you can slice them in half,they make stupid decisions and are open to murphys law as we are,what do you think happens if someone is awake and aware and armed when the captors expect a sleeping unarmed unaware victim??You get taken by surprise is what happens,remember these are humans of different races,there is no majic,or angels or demons,lets stay grounded here so to speak.


It is entirely plauseable to harm another lifeform.

I'm sorry, but unless I see proof of this, I'm not buying it at all. It's beyond silly. If alien beings have the technology to come this far, they are not going to fall victim to a sword. Your own human mind (your subconscious,) is ten seconds ahead of your conscious mind, according to scientific study. I imagine that space-faring aliens have technology that is interfaced with their minds, as our technology is starting to be. That would make them quicker, and more precsient than we are. So no, I don't think you can sword-fight them.

And what on Earth do you mean "humans of various races"? Umm, no. They're not human at all, if you read the "story". They're made of some type of grass. Which we can't even verify, because there are no reputable lab results.

Originally posted by wildtimes

Robert M.Collins writes, "Samples were shipped from a ranch in Phoenix Arizona where bizarre incidences hadtaken place over many years culminating in a number of entities getting wounded or killed in the ranchhouse. "



The witness wiped up the blood/fluid and tissue of the Gray I nearly split in two partswith an exceptionally well sharpened Samurai sword after hand to hand combat with these little parasites.We have plenty of evidence to prove it, gathered over many years." These samples were analyzed bya Dr Levengood and Amanda N. Nimke in 2009.

Surprised me that there was no result for this Dr or his assistant, or the headline in any thread...
they have included images of the cells under microscope in the post...

see this source:
www.listrocket.com...

I've been receiving Filer's Files for most of this year, and so far the info seems legit, though I'm not sure if ATS in general discredits MUFON.

here is a link to more on Dr W C Levengood, and peer reviewed articles. I haven't read through them yet, but I plan to.www.iccra.org...

What do you think, team?
WT

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edit on Sun Jul 31 2011 by DontTreadOnMe because: IMPORTANT: Using Content From Other Websites on ATS

I dont think you know what the definition of "proof" is.

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Yeah i agree i mean if i had just killed a grey the last thing i would do is leave the actual body and jst get the blood analysed ! I would at the very least take a pic!

reply to post by wildtimes


I think that no matter what evidence is put forward, it wouldnt be enough for some people. I am a total belever in ET, i mean we cant be the only ones here cos that just defies logic!!

Even if TPTB offered up 100% proof and evidence most would cry disinfo. When it happens it happens, i just hope we are all ready for when it does because i dont think they will come in peace!!!!!

Great post though, keep up the good work

Ok - read through 16 pages - took almost two hours.



There is NO proof here! Just a 'story' that (once again) cannot be substantiated. No empirical evidence. Nothing scientific to be shared and examined among other impartial scientists.

Just because the OP found someone - ANYONE - in the story that said the word "proof" - that was good enough to slap "PROOF folks" in the title of the thread. And there began the slippery slope into offense-vs-OP defense, and finally, acquiescence (of a sort). Out of thousands of words, one character uttering "proof" does not justify the entire scenario being labeled as such. Sorry - NONE of this qualifies as "PROOF folks".

My guess the 'authors' here are fishing for feedback on a book idea. If that works, maybe a movie. I smell money. And where I smell money, I smell...

Two more hours wasted

count me in with the Nay Sayers. "splitting one with a samurai sword" yeah ok, and pigs fly for fun when the farmer sleeps.

been meaning to reply to this for some time, but if you can get skin etc etc samples in this modern day where even the most rubbish phone has a camera a few dozen pictures wouldnt have gone amiss...

Originally posted by POPtheKlEEN89
so a rancher got in a hand to hand struggle with an extraterrestrial and chopped him in half with a samurai sword and soon after called an absent minded pseudo-scientific ufo theorist to take the tissue sample he himself wiped up ???

was michael madsen involved?
Or maybe tarantino was the absent minded pseudo scientiic ufo theorist, i know he likes to do the odd cameo.
Sorry couldnt resist, not trolling.
IF this is kosher, this is HUGE.

Originally posted by wildtimes

Robert M.Collins writes, "Samples were shipped from a ranch in Phoenix Arizona where bizarre incidences hadtaken place over many years culminating in a number of entities getting wounded or killed in the ranchhouse. "



The witness wiped up the blood/fluid and tissue of the Gray I nearly split in two partswith an exceptionally well sharpened Samurai sword after hand to hand combat with these little parasites.We have plenty of evidence to prove it, gathered over many years." These samples were analyzed bya Dr Levengood and Amanda N. Nimke in 2009.

Surprised me that there was no result for this Dr or his assistant, or the headline in any thread...
they have included images of the cells under microscope in the post...

see this source:
www.listrocket.com...

I've been receiving Filer's Files for most of this year, and so far the info seems legit, though I'm not sure if ATS in general discredits MUFON.

here is a link to more on Dr W C Levengood, and peer reviewed articles. I haven't read through them yet, but I plan to.www.iccra.org...

What do you think, team?
WT

edit on 30-7-2011 by wildtimes because: (no reason given)

edit on Sun Jul 31 2011 by DontTreadOnMe because: IMPORTANT: Using Content From Other Websites on ATS

IMO im sure there lots the government has hidden up.. including ufos aliens etc.. ohh its swamp gas -_- sorry if u see a ufo its not swamp gas.. comeone really just make yourself look bad..

Quoting the thread:

"The witness wiped up the blood/fluid and tissue of the Gray I nearly split in two partswith an exceptionally well sharpened Samurai sword after hand to hand combat with these little parasites."

C'mon, this blasted any hopes of this story to be credible... HAND TO HAND COMBAT, SAMURAI....Christ.

These words shouldn't be anywhere near Alien threads.

The phrase Samurai Sword, and I think something to the degree of, exceptionally sharpened, were uttered in the first lines of an Alien Proof article.




Sorry, guys.

Then I went to the website and you have your classic BS website. My goodness. It is not hard to create a web site that looks decent these days. In fact, you can do it for next to no money. I realize that a nice looking web site does not validate or substantiate anything that you are saying, but it certainly does say, "hey, I'm taking this seriously enough to make the site presentable."

reply to post by TimeSpiral


Maybe it's so crazy it has to be true. Imagine a Samurai chopping Roger from American Dad in half.

Actually, this is silly.

I can't believe the man the chopped Roge in half would think:

"I MUST WIPE THE BLOOD FROM THY SWORD FOR SCIENTIFIC ANALYSIS"

Rather than:

"I VANQUISHED ROGER IN BATTLE, MY CAMERA LIES JUST IN THE NEXT ROOM, DISCLOSURE FOR EVERYONE".

This is something I eluded to in an earlier thread. You hear all these fantastic claims but we never see any evidence to back it up, I want to see these things come to light like all of you, but sometimes you can tell the real information from the disinformation.

And unfortunately because of the perception of most of the public that any of these things are just fairy tales makes it even more important to try and find evidence. Otherwise you end up helping whoever is covering up all this stuff seem ridiculous.

Too may weird things are happening to just dismiss any of these events as wishful thinking but it seems very odd that during the entire ufo search that every incident is able to be completely silenced by the people in charge.

I'm surprised after wading thru 16 pages of this nonsense that no one has used their google-fu to find the following:

John Edmonds whom we know 'claims to have combat against an alien w/ a katana'. Regardless of how absolutely ridiculous this sounds (personally, I can't imagine it) no one has bothered trying to find this guy or his history.

The focus has been on Levengood.
Why not on the person who initially created the alleged incident?

We know his name is John Edmonds (purportedly) and that he lives in or near phoenix az in a ranch.

Well, here we go.
Previous incidents indicate a person named John Edmonds has had alien visitations going back asf ar (as I could find) as 1999).
www.rense.com...
ARIZONA

RAINBOW VALLEY - CAUS reports that John Edmonds and his wife saw a strange object on September 22, 1999. An unidentified object was seen hovering in the foot hills about a mile west of 195th Avenue and Ray Road at 9:33 PM. John was cleaning his pool when he observed an object with a bright light in the center with six smaller indirect pulsating white lights on the outer edge. Twice in four minutes the smaller lights went off completely and then turned on again. A nonsynchronous pattern was detected. A large red orange cloud of smoke was noticed soon after object blinked out. When John attempted to drive toward the object, it blinked out at a distance of 800 feet. John said, "The glare of the object was so bright he could not discern a shape." The next night, on September 23, 1999, three small groups of triangular craft were sighted heading southwest into the Goldwater air artillery range at 9:18 PM. Three minutes later the sky lit up with the deafening roar of afterburners as F-18 fighter jets passed over in pursuit. The jets attempted to pursue the triangular objects at a sound breaking pace, but the pursuit was futile. Shortly a pair of attack helicopters began sweeping the desert floor for an unidentified target without success. Thanks to Peter A. Gersten Director CAUS and John Edmonds [email protected].

All public information here. The email address I don't know if it functions or not but lends credence towards the rest "rotti-john" - rottweilers... The claims I've seen indicate he runs a horse/dog rescue ranch.

The location is listed as rainbow valley, az. Well, looking I found a place called hopeful hooves www.hopefulhooves.com... in buckeye, az - which is strikingly close to rainbow valley, az. In fact, it's likely that rainbow valley doesn't have it's own postal code (anyone know how to check this) and as such has to be listed as buckeye.

Correlation was found that www.ufodigest.com... at the bottom John Edmonds DOES run hopeful hooves ranch.

The events described above occurred at Hopeful Hooves Ranch, which is owned and operated by John Edmonds. Shortly after his college graduation in 1990, Hopeful Hooves, Inc. was founded by John and Joyce Edmonds, avid horse lovers. Presently, in continuing their work, Hopeful Hooves is in need contributions to help take care of abused horses and other animals.

I encourage our readers to help John & Joyce continue their mission, which is to prevent the cruel and needless neglect and death of what otherwise would be perfectly good horses

I have known John Edmonds for many years as a man of honor, high integrity and great dedication to UFOlogy and I support his work.

Robert D. Morningstar

Editor, UFO Digest

Click the link below for more information about Hopeful Hooves.
hopefulhooves.org...

I also found on the Houston Ufo files board www.meetup.com... That there was a John Edmonds talking about alien abduction with someone else. He listed MSW next to his name, which indicates a masters of social work. Per their site:
"In 2002 John received his MA in Social Work and decided he had found his path in life."

Ironically, there's another John Edmonds in Rochester MI with an MSW. Small world, eh?

All of this is done to establish that:

A) John Edmonds is a real person (I had my doubts, TBH)
B) John Edmonds DOES own a ranch.
C) John Edmonds has at least been CLAIMING issues with alien contact/UFO contact for the better part of a decade and a half.
D) John Edmonds has an MSW and seems to be a charitable person - ironically this goes against the idea he's some kind of sword-slinging alien slayer. There are other documents which indicate

Does the guy have an interest in swords? I can't say. My google fu needs to go through a few more belt tests at the google-fu belt factory before I can product those kinds of results.

But at least you have a bit more info than when you started

a bit more..

I later found another UFO report showing his email address was [email protected] - this leads me to believe his online alias might be rottijohn.

www.youtube.com...

Looks like I was right.

Here's an old blogspot location: rottijohn.blogspot.com... .. looks like he's talking about phoenix lights, ufos, tesla, etc. Again, this is all public info. New Nick on the site is "ghost shield". Gonna have to use that after I exhaust the rottijohn links. But in the interim.. ghostshield.blogspot.com... .. which points to hopefulhooves.

Has a radio show www.blogtalkradio.com... - obviously him "Rottijohn Edmonds"

He likes Audio Wizard and apparently worked for an AV company in 1986. by ROTTIJOHN
07/26/2011

I have been using Audio Wizard since 1986 when I worked at Bill's Sight &Sound in Tempe. Gary has always treated me very well and I wouldn't hesitate to bring him my audio gear to work on. They can be expensive at times, but the repairs were always spot on and nobody fixes vintage high end gear like this shop."
local.yahoo.com...

He has or had a 300zx www.twinturbo.net...

None of this is relevant beyond trying to figure out the man behind the legend JOHN EDMONDS ALIEN SLAYER

I could find nothing thus far regarding swords/katanas samura, martial arts, etc.

oops duped

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In my opinion, if undeniable proof is produced, it will be just that: undeniable proof.

I'm talking photos of and links to the claimed lab reports. I'm talking independent verification at more than one reputable lab. I'm talking full disclosure of those labs, and access to the professionals who did the analysis so that they can be questioned. I'm talking independent verification of peer reviewed study by other researchers who reach the same conclusions without question.

If they have what they claim they have (and I'm not asserting that they don't, since I can't prove that assertion,) then producing all of the above should not be a problem. And if their interest is in the truth and exposure of the truth, then in my opinion doing all of those things should not be something that they drag their feet on or never end up doing.

That they haven't done this renders the claim highly dubious in my opinion.

You will note that I haven't made any factual assertions about what they do and don't have in anything I just said. I'm merely pointing out what needs to be done for this to be the alleged "proof" being claimed. Until this is done, what we have here is not proof, but belief. There's nothing wrong with belief, and I respect and defend people's beliefs. But belief is not proof.

reply to post by wildtimes


i can't tell what's going on due to the poor quality of the microscope slides provided.

branching structures along with pure hemoglobin would theoretically imply a more efficient 02 transport

process (no rbc membrance to diffuse through, etc), and the branching elements may be symbiotic

fungal hyphae incorporated into the plasma for unknown purpose. Of course, this is completely conjectural.

levengood is a quirky old bird, but does decent basic science - he was featured almost 20 years

ago on the unsolved mystery series as an investigator of 'evidence'.

provide good quality histopathologic material, then the real medical people can comment....

reply to post by drphilxr


Wow! I thought this thread was D E A D....what with all the laughter and short trollish mockery...but this last week or so it seems there are some people tossing their hats into the ring who have done some serious thinking about it! Thanks, guys!

My responses:

reply to post by rlnochance

...John Edmonds MSW. Very interesting, and I can go from there much farther than I was.

reply to post by TimeSpiral
Your reply was not as recent, but while I'm at it, I'll say this....As for the website looking amateurish...well, not everyone knows how to build a website, or is interested in it looking slick and shiny! The guy who owns that is a retired Air Force Major, a pilot. Why should he bother to be a computer geek, too!? Do you know how to fly jets? Or do you just know how to insert idiotic laughing smileys into a post?

reply to post by drphilxr

....As for the backing up of Levengood, and the sincere remarks regarding the slides, thanks! I agree. I had almost given up on thinking anyone on ATS would bother to discuss it without mud-slinging.

reply to post by lme7898354
I agree. Just put in some laughing faces (gawd I hate those things)....and it makes people look like idiots.
(uh, does she mean the people being laughed AT, or the people laughing?....he he....)

reply to post by AceWombat04
...As for "belief" not being "proof", that is indisputable, and I respect your comment.

This guy just appeared on Ghost Adventures and his stories are pretty wild even for a true believer.