Anti-Thermal Technology

When I bug out, my biggest concern other than being spotted by human eyes would be by the drones... How can I get around/manipulate my thermal footprint?

Also, what's a REALLY good backpack that will last YEARS? I've looked into Molle and Alice, not sure which one is best... Heard some people saying molle usually has plastic supports... sounds iffy.

Any particular models that you might know of?

thanks

As far as not emitting heat, i would try this reflective material known as c-3.
It is widely used in the indoor garden community to prevent those ghetto-birds from getting their laser-eyes on the prize.
Of course I would also recommend that you try out your infra-red ghille-suit out with a personal camera first, just to make sure it works.
I have wondered about this myself, but my budget doesn't seem to want to cooperate. if you do try this, please let me know what your results are.
Best of luck-

reply to post by NeverSurrender

hi op
dont know how to hide from the drones
but as for a good bag that lasts yrs
i have a ww2 (1943) army canvass bag
its still going strong to this day
thats a testament to its durability
and its stocked with what i need in tshtf scenario
dave

reply to post by NeverSurrender


get a british army bergen,anything after 90s,so flexible,make sure you get day sacks too,usually sold seperately,plenty on ebay.shipping should not be too bad.best bit is i know from a drunken exploit many years ago they take about 250-300 lbs of roofing lead and you and yours mates can still walk,we all had unexplained back and leg injuries next day but bergen was fine

Actually the current thermal and radar devices cannot see through dense foliage very well and cannot see through trees or rocks either. You can also use ghillie suits and even a normal blanket to block out your form. So hide in dense foliage, caves, behind rocks, and you'll be fine.

Another option in a pinch is to just do your best to not look human. Don't move like a human and try to gray the edges of your form with brush or even baggy clothing. Animals have a heat signature too, so in the wilderness if you are in a pinch pretend to be an animal. They cannot distinguish details very well.

They won't admit to it publicly but thermal/radar gear doesn't work that well in dense woodlands and the like.

sorry to burst your bubble, but..... The current heavily fielded thermal systems on their drones that people know about might be low resolution, but I do know for a fact (having worked on it) that we have HD thermal technology now, with much greater foliage penetration. The company I was working for stumbled upon a way to make a much higher resolution array that stays cool (the common problem with IR cams is overheating lol) .

We were brought into a room with covered windows and shown a few pictures of the results of this camera system placed on a "drone" .... Needless to say, your not going to fool them by acting like an animal. This camera system can be used from 40-50k ft and still have great resolution. Last I heard the gov't provided funding to triple the power of that system, and that it would be released for testing within 4 months.... that was 1.5 years ago.

Your best bet is to hide in a cave or something.... its working for the Taliban for the most part... if your scared that your gov't is going to come after you, then thats your safest bet.

The UK has a classified material that makes thermal imaging of soliders next to impossible.

It actually hides their IR signiture almost if not completely.

I cannot find a link on it but it was published around the similar time that BAE Systems are trialing optical invisibility tanks (no, really Im not kidding, then there was 7 in field trials using e-ink).

If you are choosing a backpack I would strongly recommend getting one that has a solar panel on it. This would give you the ability to charge things that you find a necessity when the power has been cut off.

I would also get one that has that and a camel pack in it, where it stores water for you with a hose that you can drink out of while you are hiking.

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Ah well new to me. Thanks for the update. IMHO, that sucks lol.

I'm tired of the technology of the surveillance state already, and we're just getting started. Oy...

ETA: You also mentioned something else that I was thinking about but didn't mention, with a drone flying at 50k feet, you would never know it was there to hide anyway. Still sucks...

the materials you are after are called neoprene or polypropylene. neoprene is better its what wetsuites are made out of.

and id choose the alice over the molle pack just out of sheer price difference.

the molle is all super duper for nothing.

from what I gathered through the people working on the program.... the upgraded unit was to fly on high altitude planes like the U2.... or even satellites... no point in hiding anymore unless you can truly mask your heat signature.... heck, the one they showed us images of, showed foot prints of where people had walked past two hours before.... your foot prints would lead them right to your hiding spot

reply to post by longtermproject


I guess maybe your best bet, unless you have the money and can stand wearing some kind of cumbersome super suit, is to just be where they aren't looking.

Fire fighting suits can do the job you are asking. They as bulky and cumbersome, and probably a bit hot to wear unless its winter. That said they do insulate heat from both directions. I'm not sure how much these things costs though I'm sure there is a used market. I would also look too see if there are more modern ones are any more comfortable than the normal ones you find but surely those will be more expensive.

Don't worry about them finding you they won't personally waste their time with people tracking down a wayward resistor.

They will just use something biological to exterminate all those who will not conform,probably by air.

You are doomed,resistance is futile.

For question #1 the answer is this... there are MANY materials that can hide your heat signature (for short periods of time), that's not really the problem ... the problem is this, although you won't appear "hot" on the thermals, you now will appear "cold" because of the difference in temperature between you and your surroundings.

EXAMPLE: let's say you set up a little shelter with your sleeping bag in whatever "on the run" scenario you have in your head, you get the smart idea to pull one of those "space blankets" out and cover yourself with it, due to the differnce in temp between the ground, the ambient air temp & the space blanket...it's going to appear as a large dark square from the air which is also a target indicator. Long story short, if the government has gone through enough trouble to hunt you down with UAV's, your probably not going to make it. Your best bet is to try to blend in in a well populated area or other target rich environment.

On to #2, If you're looking for a cheap "Go Bag", check ebay for a large alice pack, or mountain ruck ... they have external frames and will outlive you! You can pick one up for $25 - $30.

I think Pakistan is a pretty good place to hide. Seemed to work.

Question. What makes you think drones will come looking for you?

The molly uses a plastic yes, but it is delrin, which is 10 times stronger than steel. I use delrin in my expedition bag, and it is lighter and flexible.

Alice packs are old school, outdated and obsolete. The entire military has gone over to molly, we don't even use Alice packs for recruits any more, that junk has been surplused.

...So your all saying basically, I'm #ed? Good to know. =\

I'm not a terrorist (depending on whether or not you consider a Patriotic American or a Christian a terrorist...) but I figured they MIGHT end up trying to pick off the people who run off after "they" get the cities under control. Drones seemed to be the most likely way they would go about scanning the no-doubt massive amounts of wilderness in the USSA... Yeah I figured they could release some kind of toxic chemical in the air... Nothing at all I can do about that.

I'm just getting ready to bug out when the dollar collapses... Soon. Make the last days of my life a game - see how long I can survive. Hell, it's the best way I could think of going out. Thanks for the advice on the bags. Good luck to all you guys planning on hitting the mountains...

Originally posted by ADVISOR
The molly uses a plastic yes, but it is delrin, which is 10 times stronger than steel. I use delrin in my expedition bag, and it is lighter and flexible.

Alice packs are old school, outdated and obsolete. The entire military has gone over to molly, we don't even use Alice packs for recruits any more, that junk has been surplused.

That's fantastic! They said the same thing about the M14... yet during OIF and A-stan they pulled em out and dusted em off and put them back into service. I can think of PLENTY of civillian packs that are outstanding and better that packs in the military. I gave the OP my opinion which is what he asked for. I've humped my mountain ruck 31 miles fully loaded and have lived in the field with it and for $25-$30 it can't be beat in that pricepoint. I dunno about you bit there are plenty of ways I can find to spend my prepping money other than a HSLD pack.

Originally posted by NeverSurrender
...So your all saying basically, I'm #ed? Good to know. =\

.... but I figured they MIGHT end up trying to pick off the people who run off after "they" get the cities under control. ...

With all the militia groups in the US, I would pick that they would start in the back country, remove the threat,
THEN they would move into the cities and towns where the sheeple are already boxed up, and clueless.