1 week since Oslo tragedies, prime minister of Norway speaking in a mosque..?

reply to post by woodwardjnr


Tell me that when this punk has been sentenced.....to 21 for 1st degree murder or 30 years for crimes against humanity and I'll tell you how wrong your statement is! Lets hope the Norwegian Govt thats in power in another 21 years is not so liberal and declares this gunman NEVER to be released!

I think your Prime Minister is a very wise man - by speaking in a mosque, he was sending this message:

"We are not against any religion, and we are not against any ethnicity."

This man is so intelligent, I wish ours was.

And, having just watched the first funeral, and seeing everyone of every religion, muslims, Christians, atheists and agnositcs and everyone else - this made a huge statement:

"Anders, you have united all religions, even though your killing spree was meant to divide all religions."

Norway seems to be handling this fairly well. If attending the funeral of a murdered muslim teenager its pretty obvious it will be in a Mosque. Its the right thing to do, bring everyone together to heal.

The gunman is a lunatic and also a moron. How he thought murdering teenagers was going to advance his agenda is hard to comprehend. I expect this will lead to a strengthening of the youth labour movement.

There are genuine discussions to be had in many countries about the increase in muslim populations and the unwillingness to integrate with the existing populations. Its unfortunate that the actions of this madman will make any calm rational discussion of the issue much harder to achieve for some time.

Originally posted by DrakeBloodaxXe
reply to post by buster2010

 

Please tell me this, and answer me seriously: Have you read both the bible and the quran? I highly doubt it.
If you were to compare them, the quran has WAY more violent issues in it.

And you say it only appeals to muslims, yes? Well, what do you think their goal is? When they outnumber us, what kind of religion will be the official religion here then? Think about it, I hope you find out sometime

It's simple to see why people think the Qur'an is more violent than the bible it's smaller than the bible. The bible has 842 violent passages in it the Qur'an has 333. Here's the reason why it seems more violent the Qur'an only has 6236 verses in it but the bible has 31102 verses. Just because the book is bigger doesn't mean it's less violent. Every religion tells it's followers to convert people to their religion.

"We have memorials in churches and in mosques, in parliament and in the government headquarters, on the streets and in squares … Evil has brought out the best in us. Hatred engenders love."

Norway's Prime Minister.

www.guardian.co.uk...

Norwegian news now reports that Anders Behring Breivik demands that the current government gets replaced before he talks more to the police.

ABB demands..
(Norwegian)


Here's the article translated to English.

According to sources, NRK has talked to Anders Behring Breivik, among other things, have demanded that Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg and the government will take before he would say more for police. During the ten-hour long interrogation on Friday, the Behring Breivik have made ​​a number of requirements. Several of the requirements have been impractical. One of the requirements should be that Stoltenberg and the government must resign. - He explains the fine and more than willing, if the conditions, said police attorney Paal Fredrik Hjort Kraby to NRK. According to VG Behring Breivik had plans concrete plans to bomb the palace and the Labour Party headquarters at Youngstorget. Police confirmed that ABB had several terrorist targets on their list. - He has stated that he was interested the second goal, but not pointed out any specific locations. But there are goals that are natural for a terrorist, says Kraby. Logistic problems have been the reason he did not perform multiple bomb attacks the day. The police are now on to identify the movements of the Behring Brevik during the attacks. In the coming week are questioning into a new phase. -Questioning goes over to the confrontational questioning. As it has been so far, he has been given a statement on its own unless we have asked too many questions, says Kraby.

reply to post by fooks


Dude I live in the Black Country as racially integrated an area outside of London as you'll find in the UK.

Sometimes I wish there was a God so I could ask him "why are there racists"

reply to post by Thepreye


I guess we won't know if there is a God before we die. Either you believe in it while living here, or you don't.
The true answer is probably impossible to find an answer to on earth. Especially when the world is becoming what it is.

Originally posted by Thepreye
reply to post by fooks

 

Dude I live in the Black Country as racially integrated an area outside of London as you'll find in the UK.

Sometimes I wish there was a God so I could ask him "why are there racists"

Two white women told me they were raped by black men.
One white women told me she had a tooth knocked out by a car jacker in LA.
The purpose of Critical Theory, or Cultural Marxism is to destroy reality and
replace it with an illusionary Marxist one.

With the growth of advanced industrial society during the Cold War era, critical theorists recognized that the path of capitalism and history had changed decisively, that the modes of oppression operated differently, and that the industrial working class no longer remained the determinate negation of capitalism. This led to the attempt to root the dialectic in an absolute method of negativity, as in Marcuse's One-Dimensional Man (1964) and Adorno's Negative Dialectics (1966). During this period the Institute of Social Research re-settled in Frankfurt (although many of its associates remained in the United States) with the task not merely of continuing its research but of becoming a leading force in the sociological education and democratization of West Germany. This led to a certain systematization of the Institute's entire accumulation of empirical research and theoretical analysis. During this period, Frankfurt School critical theory particularly influenced some segments of the Left wing and leftist thought, particularly the New Left. Herbert Marcuse has occasionally been described as the theorist or intellectual progenitor of the New Left. Their critique of technology, totality, teleology and (occasionally) civilization is an influence on anarcho-primitivism. Their work also heavily influenced intellectual discourse on popular culture and scholarly popular culture studies. More importantly, however, the Frankfurt School attempted to define the fate of reason in the new historical period. While Marcuse did so through analysis of structural changes in the labor process under capitalism and inherent features of the methodology of science, Horkheimer and Adorno concentrated on a re-examination of the foundation of critical theory. This effort appears in systematized form in Adorno's Negative Dialectics, which tries to redefine dialectics for an era in which "philosophy, which once seemed obsolete, lives on because the moment to realize it was missed". Negative dialectics expresses the idea of critical thought so conceived that the apparatus of domination cannot co-opt it. Its central notion, long a focal one for Horkheimer and Adorno, suggests that the original sin of thought lies in its attempt to eliminate all that is other than thought, the attempt by the subject to devour the object, the striving for identity. This reduction makes thought the accomplice of domination. Negative Dialectics rescues the "preponderance of the object", not through a naive epistemological or metaphysical realism but through a thought based on differentiation, paradox, and ruse: a "logic of disintegration". Adorno thoroughly criticizes Heidegger's fundamental ontology, which he thinks reintroduces idealistic and identity-based concepts under the guise of having overcome the philosophical tradition. Negative Dialectics comprises a monument to the end of the tradition of the individual subject as the locus of criticism. Without a revolutionary working class, the Frankfurt School had no one to rely on but the individual subject. But, as the liberal capitalist social basis of the autonomous individual receded into the past, the dialectic based on it became more and more abstract.

reply to post by RRokkyy


And thousands of black women in the USA were raped by white men back from slavery to the 1970s and even today, nobody ever listens, payback is a son of a baitch. White men still do rape black women, who lied to you ?

reply to post by Heartisblack


People, let's not make this a debate about race and ethnicity.

Originally posted by DrakeBloodaxXe
reply to post by Heartisblack

 

People, let's not make this a debate about race and ethnicity.

Basically it is, my friend nobody wants to accept a crazy arse/ass white muslim killed some people.

reply to post by Heartisblack


He was not a muslim?

reply to post by DrakeBloodaxXe


The man who did everything wasn't a Muslim, so I don't see the connection here.

reply to post by Nosred


Yes, I know lol. That's why I asked?

This is becuase the crazy man that did this was rallying AGAINST Muslims, it was not Muslims who were responsible for the horrible attacks in Norway.

The Norwegian PM is likely speaking in a mosque to ensure that Muslims are reassured that not all Norwegians bear ill will toward them.

As a Norwegian citizen (UK, Norwegian, and Canadian), I applaud him for his restraint shown this week, with his reaching out to the community instead of the American "let's get them" philosophy.

Well done, Sir.

reply to post by babybunnies


But do you not consider that this could be part of a plan, or what's your opinion of that?

reply to post by Nosred


First they say he was Muslim then he was a freemason, then a crazy man. Make up your damn minds already.

reply to post by Heartisblack


He was an ethnic Norwegian, a freemason (now excluded, of course), allegedly part of a templar group from the 1100's with members from several European countries. Ha had hatred against Islam and marxism/socialism in general.