Dutchsinse vs USGS

As some of you know, this guy has been reporting what is according to him a "volcanic event". Some sources hisz.rsoe.hu... are indicating that the USGS stated that this is just a misinterpretation of data. Dutchsinse posted yet another video in which he basically called the USGS liars. Who do you think is saying the truth? Do you think that dutchsinse discovered something really important and the USGS is trying to cover it up? Or do you think he is just a fear-monger? I personally believe he is not telling the truth, but a want to know your opinion about this.


PS..sorry for my english.

Why would you think he is a fraud? He clearly outlines the information he presents in a clear, easy-to-understand way. I do not think he is a fraud, fear monger or anything of the sort. He is reputable and uses public domain information to educate people on events within our earth.

Now this is gonna be fun.

oh ya im on Dutch guys side love a winner ,, tough???????? u kidding? lol (the # that guy sacraficed to get there attention?????? )
This one is Dutch guys,, by a looooooong shot.

Ok
1. Name calling ,,, your automatically removed by MODS,, NO second chances
2.

I was gonna say no hair pulling,, but,, lol
Are there gonna be rules or not?

MODS? hey u guys are the refs right,,, and i dont mean WWF refs.

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There is another thread started on ATS today about Dutchsinse and his presentation of data was confirmed
www.abovetopsecret.com...

reply to post by curiouswa


Did you watched the video in which he stated that the USGS is lying? How a 5.0 in Baja California can be used as a proof of a volcanic event in the Pisgah Crater?

I've watched him for awhile and when it comes down to it, he always leaves room for interpretation and 'maybe' when he is unsure. He uses terms like 'strange' , 'unusual' , 'area to watch'. But when he is sure, he says so and I've yet to see him claim something as fact when it couldn't be backed up.

Many times he is the one to ask questions as to what he doesn't understand.

In other words, if he says it as fact, listen up.

IMO

That is Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center Twentynine Palms training area. That plume of smoke could be anything. It could be pyrotechnics for Mojave Viper, or it could simply be anything from bombs to burning artillery powder. If you look at the Marine Corps website there is nothing unusual going on. If they are clouds its harsh monsoon weather it happens out there.

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ya i kn, this is NOT the same,,,
this is ,,well read the title.

Originally posted by KonquestAbySS
That is Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center Twentynine Palms training area. That plume of smoke could be anything. It could be pyrotechnics for Mojave Viper, or it could simply be anything from bombs to burning artillery powder. If you look at the Marine Corps website there is nothing unusual going on. If they are clouds its harsh monsoon weather it happens out there.

and it could be a meth lad,, lets stick too facts

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fixed...are you happy now?

This is the video in which he called the USGS liars. Now, I don't understand how 5.9 in Baja California is a proof that there is something "volcanic" going on in the Pisgah Crater. Maybe someone can explain it to me.

These are the roes site co-ordinates

N 34° 32.430, W 116° 16.008

Dutch guy co-ordinates

34 34 0 N , 116 17 26 W

I don't know ladies and gentlement but looks like a clear draw in that first round,,,what do u think Howard?




cossel

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ermm....I'm talking about the Baja California earthquake 25.186°N, 109.550°W

Well Bob,, i think the next round goes too whoever establish's

Was There A Plume????

ding,

The Dutch Kid counters with
"plume seen on RADAR!"


ohhhhh a solid piece of evidence right too the kidney,, that hurt,,

lets watch some more,,,,,

reply to post by BobAthome


A meth lab on a military installation? And what facts do you provide? I guess you never been there because I have I was stationed at this military installation,and I been on these roads plenty of times. So you can take 3rd party information seriously or ask any Marine or military personnel who has been there personally to tell you.

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.Volcanic Plumes doesn't disappear in minutes or hours. As a matter of fact they can travel hundred of kilometers. I live in PR and every time Mt Soufriere launches ash to the atmosphere it can reach PR. NEXT!

This dude is half fear mongering and half telling the truth.
He's said so much that hasn't happened........

I roam about to many sites and view hundreds of videos a day. While Dutchsinse has been criticized for some of his material findings, I find it difficult for any logical thinking person who has viewed his videos to think that he is somehow attempting some type of fraud.

Anyone who seriously thinks this thought, is just plain deluded in their thinking.

In fact, this thread is tied to a denial by USGS and yet, on the same day that the USGS states in an official capacity that Dutchsinse has "misinterpreted data", there is a 6.0 earthquake in the exact vicinity of where he was indicating some type of volcanic release had been detected.

I trust Dutchsinse to be more honest and more forthcoming than any USGS paid minion of lies and deception.

These USGS types really think they can tell a lie and that no one will be the wiser. Well, Dutchsinse has embarrassed the USGS with his Internet-You-Tube findings and I for one can tell you that the USGS and those that believe the USGS are embarrassed by being caught with their lies and attempts at deceiving the public.

In the alternative media, you must gain a reputation for being honest, above board and always trying to report what is observed and perceived. Dutch would not jeopardize that understanding and anyone who knows him would agree.

While there may be those that don't give Dutchsinse the credit or the respect he deserves, I will trust what Dutchsinse states over anything the USGS would tell us, because even if Dutch makes a mistake or goes off in a wrong direction, he is man enough to admit his mistakes and will continue trying to get to the bottom of matters.

We need more Dutchsinse types and less internet whiners and poodle walkers complaining that someone has undermined the authority of the USGS, because in my book the USGS is part of the problem and as of today's 6.0 earthquake right where Dutch said it was happening, proves to me once again that Dutch is a better source of honest reporting than any federal agency.

While these are my personal opinions, I have come to a point in life where others should try to listen the message, filter the variables and then use common sense and some logic to derive a message. If you cant do that, then your challenges are not my concern when you go around wrongly shooting the messenger.

Too many are too quick to shoot the messenger without listening to the message and for those that do such a naytard thing with Dutch, I feel, they are depriving themselves of some of the best and unusual findings in weather, HAARP and other weather and radar anomalies that anyone could come across on a daily basis.

Dutch is no fraud and anyone who would say such a thing has proven to me that they have never watched enough of his videos to know better than to accuse him of fakery. No way, and while I don't know Dutch in any personal way, I trust his work and that should be good enough for anyone who isn't too dense to understand that type of rationale.

Dutch is serious about what he does and those in the alternative media are all aware of this fact. Dutch unlike the USGS will accept accountability for mistakes and besides, Dutch doesn't have a political agenda and that I feel makes the big difference in why I feel like others, that what Dutch produces as a info product, is heads above anything the USGS could tell us.

Look into this matter more and review his body of work and you will see that I am no groupie attempting to promote Dutch. His work speaks for itself and anyone who knows his work, knows this to be true.

Thanks for the concern, but what concerns me is how you could ever think that he is a fake. That allegation is what makes me wonder about where your head is at, because if you want to believe what the USGS states as fact, go right ahead, just remember that on today's date, Dutch proved they were lying as soon as that 6.0 earthquake hit.

If you don't like Dutch's videos or don't understand them, then just leave Dutch out of the hate and allegation mix, because he and those that view his videos know that Dutch is no faker. He is alternative media professional and that just means he does his best without running from his mistakes while informing the public about what needs to be discussed.

In closing I would state that if you doubt me, then you should go right ahead and believe what the USGS tells you. It sounds to me as if you deserve each others company.

He's got another video out. It's happening again!!!!! Today!!!!!
Once again...clouds when he claims none.
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It's called weather.

Dutch is a hack. He doesn't understand what he is looking at, and has no training in the use and interpretation of radar of any kind.

When all the reports of this "event" are coming from him, it should be a no-brainer. He is wrong. If you check every type of satellite scan available, there is nothing being vented at all. And satellites track everything. There are no gases, aerosols of any type, ash, reports from any locals, or any substantiation of anything he claims. It's a pop-up storm in the desert, releasing rain, which is evaporating before hitting the ground. This phenomena is called virga. It shows up on radar, because radar tracks precipitation. It is common in the desert. It's what locals are saying is happening. It's weather. Get over it.

All reports I have found about this non-event base their information on the YouTube videos. Every single one. The area in question is just a few miles from on interstate, and a couple of hours from the biggest city in the entire country. Surely there is someone else who would have reported something. And nothing at all from any other source?

Is this what passes as credible information? Really? Do your research people! Dutch's usual topic is "HAARP rings" on weather radar. He claims by looking at the "rings" he can predict bad weather. Well use just a bit of knowledge about this:
Radar sweeps are circular.
In the center of all the "rings" is a radar facility.
Good weather does not show up on weather radar.
Bad weather does show up on weather radar.
In the US, weather's usual track is west to east. Seeing bad weather to the west, you can expect bad weather the next day in the east.
All the people who follow Dutch, and his misinformation should do themselves a big favor and Google "NEXRAD hoax." This story has all happened before, almost verbatim. It was debunked the first time someone tried to mislead people way back in the 1990's. Spend sometime and use the internet for your own independent research. It's not hard to do. Start with the basics:
What is in a volcano plume?
Then find out which satellites track and record those things. The information is out there and is easy to find if you look.
Dutch does not look for information, he fearmongers and spreads misinformation to a conspiratorially-minded audience.

What real volcanic plumes look like from satellites