Anders Behring Breivik and the hidden hate of ATS.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Would you replace it with an American style system?

Originally posted by Ozscot
reply to post by Melbourne_Militia

 

I'm going to break ranks with most of my left leaning friends and agree with you on one point, and one point only - Immigration is a MAJOR problem. And yes it has to be addressed because the point at which a nation is forced to address it usually signals that it is too late to do anything about it - except from that time on.

It has been ignored by the left for decades - though some of that I honestly believe relates to a 'guilt complex' particularly in Australia and the USA. Neither the USA or Australia is Governed by its indigenous people and arguments about 'excluding others' are always going to be weakened by that fact. Britain of course is more complex in that none of the component parts are governed by its indigenous people (though you could argue that is changing with devolution - except for England).

To address immigration is to address your origins - and most parties will simply not go there.

I agree though - it's putting off a ticking time bomb and the sooner we act the more time we have to defuse it.

Oz

I believe it is this resurgence which led Mr Breivik to feel his standpoint was threatened, and for him to go on a rampage. Lefties, Liberals and Atheists all like to argue and verbally attack on their views - apparently righties & fundy Christians like to shoot instead.

This is my fear, I desperately want to let go of my hatred, as it's beginning to get to me. But I can't - because what if one day another Breivik appears outside my door? I'm going to need every ounce of my hatred then. Where do we go from here?

Originally posted by nunya13
I agree about what you say how everyone is so concerned with arguing about his affiliations, that they aren't taking the necessary actions or at least coming at it with the right frame of mind to push back against this kind of extremism.

In my opinion, and at the risk of sparking ire, there is no doubt the ideologies that fueled his actions are associated with the right-wing.

He hates Muslims
He hates Marxism/Cultural Marxism
He hates multiculturalism
He hates the left-wing
He desises that his country's media is controlled by liberals (according to himself)

This is all in his manifesto.

I'm not trying to force people to accept this. But it serves only to support what I believe could happen if this truth, as I see it, isn't addressed. This will happen again.

But what gets my goat is when they turn around try so hard to deny any affiliation with his ideology and then turn around and say, "but he was right about Muslims, liberals, Marxism, multiculturalism." You can't denounce someone and then say that you agree with their ideology behind their actions.

If they cannot at least acknowledge that he was an extremist within their own ideological camp then they can't fight back against this extremism with in their own ideology.

CASS SUNSTEIN FIRST TO PROPOSE AN INTERNET CREW OF OBOTS Cass Sunstein, radical information Czar of the Obama regime.He outlines the tactics which would be used by Obots for the next 3 years:
“We suggest a distinctive tactic for breaking up the hard core of extremists who supply conspiracy theories: cognitive infiltration of extremist groups, whereby government agents or their allies (acting either virtually or in real space, and either openly or anonymously) will undermine the crippled epistemology of believers by planting doubts about the theories and stylized facts that circulate within such groups, thereby introducing beneficial cognitive diversity.”

This is my fear, I desperately want to let go of my hatred, as it's beginning to get to me

Originally posted by Cythraul

Originally posted by Zamini
Lets get this straight, you are here discussing politics in favor of right wing nut jobs but you have no idea of the Marshal plan?

Wowzers.

a) I'm not doing ANYTHING in favour of right wing nutjobs. Read the whole of my post.
b) You speak as though this 'Marshal plan' is common knowledge. I've researched conspiracies for a long time - forgive me if there's one area I've not stumbled across, but don't treat me like an imbecile. Notice I humbly asked for more information. Does not yet having that preclude me from debate? Do you know everything related to politics in the last century?

Oddly enough, within minutes of his identity being made public, that page vanished and was replaced by a page in English with far more radical postings and the tag words 'Christian' and 'Conservative' inserted. That's what publications the New York Times and their political ilk are gleefully using to label Breivik as a 'far right, fundamentalist Christian'. The Facebook manipulation also proves that Breivik wasn't in this alone, It wasdone by someone else who had access to his account while he was in custody.

What are the chances that the very next day, a supposed white terrorist attacked a government building in Oslo, Norway? What are the chances that the alleged bomber used one of the two methods showed in the Homeland Security video? What are the chances that it was a white male with Christian Conservative beliefs?

As the Real Agenda warned on Thursday, the likelihood of a false-flag terror attack was ever more possible than in the last few years. In our article published on Thursday July 21, we focused attention on a new video put out by the Department of Homeland Security and FEMA in the United States which specifically pointed to white or caucasian males as potential threats for terrorism. In the video, both organizations portrayed white men dropping off car bombs in a federal building and activating explosives on a street somewhere.

I just wish the rest of ATS was as enlightened and positive as you lot are

“He surrendered the moment police called his name 3 minutes after they arrived. What we don’t know is how the police knew the terrorist’s name before they arrested him,” said Snow, who is recognized as one of Britain’s most trusted news anchors, and cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”.

Originally posted by woodwardjnr
Im sorry to hear that, I would be dead without it so you will understand why i defend it to the hills. I guess you always have the option of going private.