Norwegians protest shooter's lax penalty - Maximum sentence 21 years

Norwegians protest shooter's lax penalty - Maximum sentence 21 years

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The fact that Norway's maximum penalty for any crime is 21 years in prison is facing rising criticism in the wake of the twin attacks that killed 93 people, with many deeming the penalty too lax.

Ever since Norwegian media named 32-year-old Anders Behring Breivik as the prime suspect, calls have been growing for the maximum penalty under the Norwegian penal code to be extended.

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Twenty one years for murdering 93 people equates to 82 days for each murder. The Norwegians are certainly upset about this, but what can they do? If, as in most countries, there exists a prohibition on ex post facto laws in Norway, Breivik’s sentencing can not be longer than the 21 years even if new laws are passed. This 21 years does not include chances for early release. Norway prides itself as being a tolerant society, but does this go too far?

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I say give the guy the chair. Do what we do here in the US, call him a terrorist and send him to Gitmo.

If he was a Muslim Terrorist I'm sure they would have raised hell on Earth to increase the prison sentence to life or they would have shot him dead on the scene.
Just look at all the games the police are playing with this guy - Assessing this guy's mind if he's fit for trial? Are you bloody kidding me? It sounds like his sentence might just "lighten up" due to his "mental illness" or something... www.bbc.co.uk...

Oh, the hypocrisy..

reply to post by SirMike


I would say..

It seems that in the forming of this law they hadn't considered the full possibilities of what the person might have done..

It isn't enough. You can get considerably more time here in the US for just one death.

But honestly. Will it matter? 21 years from now, do you think people will forget the man who killed 93 people?

Originally posted by geraldcole
I say give the guy the chair. Do what we do here in the US, call him a terrorist and send him to Gitmo.

What about due process? Should we just lock this guy in solitary confinement like we do in the US too?

reply to post by SirMike


If the guys intent was to destroy the Norwegians way of life then changing the laws in response to this atrocity starts down the path of fulfilling that goal... what a sick and twisted catch 22...

reply to post by markrob23


If this guy is proved to be the one who did it, sure why not. I have ZERO compassion for someone that kills 93 people ZERO.

Originally posted by CasiusIgnoranze
If it was a Muslim Terrorist I'm sure they would have raised hell on Earth to increase the prison sentence to life or they would have shot him dead on the scene.

Oh, the hypocrisy..

No, it would then be 100% a tale of conspiracy and the guy would be considered a patsy. He'd be hounded by some and yet martyred by others.

he deserves 21 years... but for each life he took. He deserves death, so his alleged attempts to tell his side, are drowned in his own blood.. he's a murderer

You're forgetting that each time he is about to be released if he is deemed likely to be danger to others he can be put away for +5 years at a time. Indefinitely.

Originally posted by markrob23

Originally posted by geraldcole
I say give the guy the chair. Do what we do here in the US, call him a terrorist and send him to Gitmo.

What about due process? Should we just lock this guy in solitary confinement like we do in the US too?

Yes. He admits his 'crimes'.. he denies his 'crimes'.

He admits his actions and denies his criminality.

Do you think he is innocent?

21 years is the maximum only for "sane" killing!

For the psychos, there's something called preventive detention; a period replacing or being added to a prison sentence for reasons of public safety. It's renewed for periods of ten years...

-Here in Norway we don't put people in our nice hotel-like prisons for more than sixteen years; we lock them up in a solitary confinement - at a high guarded psychiatric ward, for the rest of their miserable life!

INFO

Ironic that a system and government he despised so much for it's Liberal values, has probably saved this terrorists life.

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I find it unlikely that he will be classified as Insane.

Despite his crimes, he comes off as completely sane. I'm not sure what Europe classifies as sanity, but here in America he would probably not be declared criminally insane, seeing as how he could assist in his own trial.

Originally posted by SirMike
Breivik’s sentencing can not be longer than the 21 years even if new laws are passed.

In the USA you can get locked up for 30 years for taking a clothed picture of your daughter dressed in a bathing suit that a jury finds too "racy" and is therefore considered production of child pornography, even if there's no nudity or no sex.

It seems to me like killing a bunch of people should get a worse penalty than taking a picture of your daughter at the beach.

i just read this quote from the Huffington Post:

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Under Norwegian law, a suspect can be sentenced to a maximum of 21 years in jail, but that can be extended if courts decide there is a risk of repeat offences.

"In theory he can be in jail for the rest of his life," said professor of criminal law at the University of Oslo, Staale Eskeland.
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link to full article: www.huffingtonpost.com...

where there is a will, there's a way to circumnavigate the law.


PS i know we had a big discussion on HufPo as a reliable source recently, so take the info for what it's worth

sorry double post .

wtf
i just got done reading bbcs account of todays news about this and now the cops in oslo revised the total death count from 86 to 68 and increased the bomb total from one to 8 .

im sorry but this doesnt sound right to me at all.

www.bbc.co.uk...

and yes he did have help which the world knows is obvious

Police have now revised down the island killings to 68 but increased the bomb death toll by one to eight.

the did the same thing when 9 11 happened and i was fabergasted then as i am now ..
so do we now have zombies walking around OSLO or what ...

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He does not need to be classified as insane to get preventive detention for the rest of life. Unfit for going back to society will do.

If he's found insane, he goes right too the loonie-bin! -Found sane; less barbiturates the first ten years...

Originally posted by geraldcole
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If this guy is proved to be the one who did it, sure why not. I have ZERO compassion for someone that kills 93 people ZERO.

You have no idea what is going on in this guys head. He obviously has serious mental issues. Regardless, whether I think he should get the chair or not is not my decision. Thanks to the constitution we have rules and laws in place for criminals and it's called due process. The system works.