"...Europe has become a gateway for Islam."

Ok i thought i'd post this bit of news so people can see that the "anti-muslim" crowd is gaining support throughout Europe. Now i don't agree with attacks that kill innocent lifes no matter what there race/religious is.

The attack on Norway wasn't a attack on Muslims, it was a attack on the people who are for destroying there home nations culture in favor of appeasing immigrants.

Political parties opposing immigration and integration have done well in elections in recent years -- and beyond them, neo-fascist and "national socialist" groups have become well-established across the continent, including in Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands, Italy, Scandinavia, Hungary and the United Kingdom.

The far-right Danish People's Party (Dansk Folkerpartis) has 25 seats in parliament; the Sweden Democrats Party won 5.7% of the vote in the 2010 election. In Finland, the True Finns party made a dramatic breakthrough in April's elections, gaining more than 1 in 5 votes.

France's National Front won 15% of votes in the first round of regional elections in March 2010, even though it was not on the ballot in the entire country. President Nicolas Sarkozy's party only managed 2% better.

the British National Party won enough votes to send two members to the European Parliament

CNN

In recent elections, western European political parties that have run with an anti-immigration agenda have gained much support, especially in countries such as the United Kingdom, Belgium, Norway, the Netherlands, Denmark, France, Austria, Germany and Italy. In these countries, anti-immigration movements have gained support and momentum that will likely increase in the coming years because there are increasingly high numbers of unemployment, a reemergence of nationalist sentiment and the fact that immigrants are having difficulty assimilating.

Britain's very existence todayis threatened by immigration. ... To take just one example, it is a hard fact that, according to official figures, 15% of the UK's male prison population is black, despite black people accounting for only 2% of the total population. ... Figures for unemployment, welfare dependency, educational failure, and other social pathologies tell a similar story for most other foreign ethnic groups. There is simply no escaping the fact that choosing to admit such persons into the country in significant numbers means choosing to become a poorer, more violent, more dependent and worse-educated society

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Now im not posting this to incite hate far from it. Im posting this because i have observe that most people on ATS that post in favor of multiculturalism seem to have this naive world view were they believe that every one can just get along and live together in harmony. And that anyone against that is just racist and have no good reason to hate other then there muslims or not white.

But its not the case. There is very good evidence showing that these weak immigration polices have a very negative effect on a nations productivity. It becomes a vicious cycle where the more illegal immigrants there are the worst of a country gets. Unemployment goes up. Social welfare programs for that nation suffer and can't provide for the people is was meant for.There kids go to our schools but don't pay taxes or are just on the dole.They lower the wages for low skilled jobs. In the majority of country s illegal immigrants have the highest birth rates.
People are mad and the worse it get the more mad people get. When that happen they look for someone to blame and they will also look for someone to lead them out of the mess there elected officials put them in. And we all know what happens next.

You are brave to post this at such time! I like that.

I am concerned that the actions of a lone nut will have an impact on legitimate concerns about cultural preservation and immigration in Europe. The incident will be exploited by politicians.

Originally posted by Partygirl
You are brave to post this at such time! I like that.

I am concerned that the actions of a lone nut will have an impact on legitimate concerns about cultural preservation and immigration in Europe. The incident will be exploited by politicians.

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Agreed
People need to get that even though what that guy did was wrong. He in a way was a valve releasing pressure on a overloaded system. More and more people are openly,or secretly, agreeing with his line of thinking. Something needs to be done. We have to preserve our culture and our history.

It won't be long we see a radical fascist party similar to the norsefire party from v for vendetta

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That where i see this going. A political leader who will use this current economic situation to impose a hate filled agenda. And it will be met with tremendous applause.

How was these kids destroying their nation? Because they were holding boycott Israel signs? Does that automatically invite sharia law to take over? This is just another cry about Islam thread it's all the Muslims fault as always.

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But its not the case. There is very good evidence showing that these weak immigration polices have a very negative effect on a nations productivity. It becomes a vicious cycle where the more illegal immigrants there are the worst of a country gets. Unemployment goes up. Social welfare programs for that nation suffer and can't provide for the people is was meant for.There kids go to our schools but don't pay taxes or are just on the dole.They lower the wages for low skilled jobs. In the majority of country s illegal immigrants have the highest birth rates.

Have you ever heard of Canada. Our Immigration has been quite successful

Maybe the Muslims have different views when they move to the Europe because of their Religion. Yes that is True.

And Conflicts will Emerge with the disparity. As we are seeing Tension in Europe Because of this.

Most Muslims aren't Radical though and most Christians aren't Either

There is a general Hypocrisy about all of this because you are saying Muslims are detrimental to society
When the fact is they aren't

Just more Islamophobia BS

We are one Race the Human Race

If multiculturalism isn't the answer then what is? Isolation, segregation? I'm one of the naive many that views multiculturalism in a favorable light, but even I agree there are problems to it.

But damnit man, if no one can find a way for everyone to live and let live then we're already doomed to another war, genocide, or worse.

Originally posted by buster2010
How was these kids destroying their nation? Because they were holding boycott Israel signs? Does that automatically invite sharia law to take over? This is just another cry about Islam thread it's all the Muslims fault as always.

No you must of mis read my post. This is about illegal immigrants and there negative effect on a country.

This isn't about hating islam.


And from what i've read about his attack was a attack on the left youth camp(the left agenda) it wasn't about the kids holding signs.

Again i don't agree with killing kids
If thats your argument against' this topic. then you fail to understand the bigger picture.Go back to reading tabloids.

Originally posted by TheUniverse

Just more Islamophobia BS

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You misunderstood my post this thread isn't about hating on islam. its about the effects that illegal immigrants have. And the hate they will eventually stir up against them selfs. Religion only comes in to it as a excuse to further hateful speech against these immigrants.

Originally posted by anon102
If multiculturalism isn't the answer then what is? Isolation, segregation? I'm one of the naive many that views multiculturalism in a favorable light, but even I agree there are problems to it.

But damnit man, if no one can find a way for everyone to live and let live then we're already doomed to another war, genocide, or worse.

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The thing is multiculturalism isn't working. In the end its going to end up hurting everyone. What so wrong with a country having there own culture?Why is it seen in such a bad light that people want to preserve there heritage. It may sound nice to have everyone living together. But its not going to happen. Tensions do flare up because of cultural differences. And even in this multiculturalism world we have today. Why is it more and more areas are becoming racially segregated?

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same thing with America and Mexico. What really makes it worse is when these people believe we legal citizens should conform to their culture. Then they brag about being here illegally, they dont hold allegiance to our country and they drive the work wages down. We all know they are free loading off our taxes with government programs for housing, welfare, schooling,healthcare. And when you tell people this they call you racist.

I live in California i have seen Mexican markets all saying they take WIC/food stamps and its in Spanish, I have been to section 8 housing flooded with only illegal Mexican families, I have been to hospitals where they allow the first 50 people to come in and get government assistants with medical bills aka the government pays 90% percent of their bill. I watched in horror as they all didn't speak English and began to sell their places in line cause only the first 50 get in that day. I went to a school where they had to build 2 portable classrooms for esl classes

. I have seen American businesses require people to speak Spanish to get the job and when i walked into the business it had only Hispanic people working there and when i talked to someone they spoke very broken English. I figure requiring people to know how to speak Spanish to get a job is their way of being able to only hire people of hispanic origin which is illegal in our country.

A lot of the kids from the section 8 housing are in gangs. And if you live next to one of these places they blast mariachi music all day long starting from 6 in the morning to 11 at night. Their celebrities mock white people and laugh about taking the country over through attrition they truly believe they are better then us American citizens who fund there failure children all the way till their kids get old enough to go to jail then we pay even more to keep them there.

Then after years of this there are to many illegals to stop from totally screwing up the political system and that's why we are trillions in debt because they don't get the concept or really dont care if we stupid American are going to go under just so long as we keep funding there free lifestyle. I get to watch as a single illegal mother with 8 kids drives her brand new SUV while i drive a 1991 ford explorer. I work a 40 hour work week she works part time pays like 350 dollar a month for her place"government help" i pay 1100 not including cable,gas,phone,food,ect. These people are F!@#king us bad. The politicians love it because it keeps our eyes off them and businesses fund the politicians to keep the boarders open so they can keep our wages down.

Its almost to the point where you get rewarded for being a moron. No education,12 kids,no car,no job, no problem our government will pay for you and hey while your at it become a prescription drug dealer off our government funded health care programs to make money on the side. These illegal are abusers and should be treated as economic war criminals. But because they help liberal morons get elected and sacrifice their children up to be slaughtered in any war we start because the only job their kids can get is being in the army or being in a gang.

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The attack on Norway wasn't a attack on Muslims, it was a attack on the people who are for destroying there home nations culture in favor of appeasing immigrants.

so how many of "the people who are for destroying there home nations culture in favor of appeasing immigrants" were killed in Norway?
How many of the children killed in the camp stood for "destroying their home nations culture in favor of appeasing immigrants"?
I could be wrong, but I have a feeling the kids who were killed DID NOT have politics/immigration issues on their minds at the summer camp before the gun man killed them.


Anyway, moving on to the issue of muslim immigration to Europe, I'd like someone to educate me on what the huge fuss is over muslim immigration to Europe is.
Is it a racial thing? Are you against the notion of people of a different color/religon/race sharing your city? Would you be ok if the immigrants were from, say, Australia, Scotland or Canada?

What about Europes history of colonizing and subjugation of cultures in Africa, Asia and South America? Which also led to spread of Christianity? I mean, if Europeans were ok with colonizing other lands, why is there a problem when these same people move to Europe and try and live there?

I mean, its not like these immigrants seek to have rule over Europe and Europeans the way the Europeans ruled over Africans, Asians and South Americans.

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The thing is multiculturalism isn't working.

Bull#.

Are you going to continue riddling your own thread with non-sense and extreme right wing ideologies? You cannot state an OPINION for fact. Take your head out of your behind please, before you go nutters like other right wingers.

I dont have problem with moderate and educated muslims (or any other religion) immigrating. But there needs to be comprehensive background check before they are let into the country or granted citizenship, because they come from undeveloped societes with often primitive and harmful views. And when you let savage people like that into country, the problem will only grow through their high procreation like cancer. And before someone calls me a hypocrite, the same applies to Slovak citizens immigrating to western nations (we have our share of problematic citizens, too).

Nation is defined by its people more than anything other. Beware of uncontrolled immigration, it attacks the very core of a nations culture, and replaces it with another. Multiculturalism may work and even be beneficial, as long as the differences are insignificant (cuisine, clothing, moderate religions). If not, it is a recipe for disaster.

Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
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The attack on Norway wasn't a attack on Muslims, it was a attack on the people who are for destroying there home nations culture in favor of appeasing immigrants.

so how many of "the people who are for destroying there home nations culture in favor of appeasing immigrants" were killed in Norway?
How many of the children killed in the camp stood for "destroying their home nations culture in favor of appeasing immigrants"?
I could be wrong, but I have a feeling the kids who were killed DID NOT have politics/immigration issues on their minds at the summer camp before the gun man killed them.

They were at a left party youth camp. I don't know why the killer decided to make his point by killing the children of the people he had problems with. thiat isn't what this thread is about.

Anyway, moving on to the issue of muslim immigration to Europe, I'd like someone to educate me on what the huge fuss is over muslim immigration to Europe is.
Is it a racial thing? Are you against the notion of people of a different color/religon/race sharing your city? Would you be ok if the immigrants were from, say, Australia, Scotland or Canada?

Did you read anything in this thread?Its about Illegal immigrants and the problems they cause/are causing. I've stated that people just use religion as another way to stir up hate towards these immigrants.I've never said i have a problem with people with a different skin color or people who believe in a god.

What about Europes history of colonizing and subjugation of cultures in Africa, Asia and South America? Which also led to spread of Christianity? I mean, if Europeans were ok with colonizing other lands, why is there a problem when these same people move to Europe and try and live there?

This is something i have trouble on. Because i was not around those 100s of years ago when rome or britain started there colonizations of other countrys. So i don't have first hand evidence on what it was like back then.
I do know they brought just as many positives and they did negatives. Like roads and a legal system. That was back when we as a race where still trying to get the hang of things. People really thought the royal family's of Europe where actually doing gods work. Were in a different time now and i don't think going back that far in time is relevant to todays issue of illegal immigration

I mean, its not like these immigrants seek to have rule over Europe and Europeans the way the Europeans ruled over Africans, Asians and South Americans.

I never said they did, and again not really relevant.

Originally posted by Maslo

Nation is defined by its people more than anything other. Beware of uncontrolled immigration, it attacks the very core of a nations culture, and replaces it with another. Multiculturalism may work and even be beneficial, as long as the differences are insignificant (cuisine, clothing, moderate religions). If not, it is a recipe for disaster.

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Some people just can't understand your point. I honestly believe its mostly because they still live with there parents and haven't experienced life outside of there local world.

i think we need to be vigilant of all political/religious extremes. basically it is the job of the 99% of normal folk to keep an eye out for the 1% of crazies out there. What this case in Norway should show you is that, not all terrorists are Muslim and not all muslims are terrorists. In the same way not all far right wingers are terrorists.

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But you must also understand that much of the immigration to the UK came from our Colonies in India and pakistan and the west Indies. Most of the Muslims like much of the black community were born here in the UK. We required the immigrants to help build our country after the 2nd world war. The same war that so many from our colonies lost their lives in, to help Britain survive. Our country has needed the immigration to provide the wealth this nation has enjoyed. Also immigrants have generally been doing the jobs, many brits turned their noses up to.