Anders Breivik, Right Wing Mega Star.. Left Wing Hero..

Originally posted by Mr Tranny

Originally posted by flexy123

Originally posted by CrankyPantsUK

However the Islamic problem I allude to is of real concern to none muslims e.g. their lack of intergration and unwillingness to become part of the host nation but wish to dominate it,

That is not right wing crap but evident to those who live in the mdst of it, myself included

define "lack of integration" and "unwillingness to become part of the host nation"?

There are such problems, but those "problems" apply to all kinds of cultures and migrants. For example mexicans immigrating to the states...muslims immigrating to EU and so forth.

Exactly!


Left wing bull with a right wing answer!

Equals we lose...

He primarily rails against multiculturalism, not religion.
He sees the mixing of cultures with no integration as an open assault on his country by the very people that are task with protecting it..

He knows that Islamist have an agenda of world domination, but he doesn’t hold Islam primarily responsible for his countries problems. He holds the politicians responsible for giving those people unfettered access to his country, and then not holding them to the same laws and requirements that native Norwegians have to follow.

He states that the Islamic countries are suffering the same indignities as Norway because of outsiders. And that they are in the same boat as he is in that regard. That does not sound like someone that wants to “wipe out Muslims”. He just wants the country he grew up in to act like the sovereign country that it is. Keep out people that are known to cause problem. And hold immigrants to the same standard as native people.

So, his logic can be applied directly to the US border control situation. And it is the same situation in many ways. There is a lot of people at wits end down along the southern boarder. To the point that people have already taken it upon themselves to shoot the foreign invaders.

To think that the same situation is not getting to the breaking point in the US would be naïve. And to think that his same logic doesn’t apply to the US situation would also be naïve.

Originally posted by Mr Tranny

Originally posted by flexy123

Originally posted by CrankyPantsUK

However the Islamic problem I allude to is of real concern to none muslims e.g. their lack of intergration and unwillingness to become part of the host nation but wish to dominate it,

That is not right wing crap but evident to those who live in the mdst of it, myself included

define "lack of integration" and "unwillingness to become part of the host nation"?

There are such problems, but those "problems" apply to all kinds of cultures and migrants. For example mexicans immigrating to the states...muslims immigrating to EU and so forth.

He primarily rails against multiculturalism, not religion.
He sees the mixing of cultures with no integration as an open assault on his country by the very people that are task with protecting it..

He knows that Islamist have an agenda of world domination, but he doesn’t hold Islam primarily responsible for his countries problems. He holds the politicians responsible for giving those people unfettered access to his country, and then not holding them to the same laws and requirements that native Norwegians have to follow.

He states that the Islamic countries are suffering the same indignities as Norway because of outsiders. And that they are in the same boat as he is in that regard. That does not sound like someone that wants to “wipe out Muslims”. He just wants the country he grew up in to act like the sovereign country that it is. Keep out people that are known to cause problem. And hold immigrants to the same standard as native people.

So, his logic can be applied directly to the US border control situation. And it is the same situation in many ways. There is a lot of people at wits end down along the southern boarder. To the point that people have already taken it upon themselves to shoot the foreign invaders.

To think that the same situation is not getting to the breaking point in the US would be naïve. And to think that his same logic doesn’t apply to the US situation would also be naïve.

Been attacked by allsides

Lol

Originally posted by type0civ
reply to post by Partygirl

 

Sorry for coming off like that, it wasnt deliberate.
We send soldiers out to kill all the time and during recruiting of them their mental status is assessed to exclude psychopaths. I dont think he was crazy but fed up with watching his country turn into France or England. Let me add, i think his actions were disgusting to say the least.

This might very well be true, but i think that the borders from "still normal" to "being a psychopath" could be really, really fuzzy.

Eg...if we take the Norway killer...i am sure that many *healthy* people are indeed sharing his opinion to some extent... (not every "radical" is automatically mentally ill, right). But most will certainly agree that a normal, mental stable person (even with a radical ideology) would not kill 90 people (children) "just like that". A person who spends 90mins calmly killing 90 people CAN (IMHO) not be right in their head.

Originally posted by CrankyPantsUK
Been attacked by allsides

Lol

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Originally posted by flexy123

Originally posted by type0civ
reply to post by Partygirl

 

USorry for coming off like that, it wasnt deliberate.
We send soldiers out to kill all the time and during recruiting of them their mental status is assessed to exclude psychopaths. I dont think he was crazy but fed up with watching his country turn into France or England. Let me add, i think his actions were disgusting to say the least.

This might very well be true, but i think that the borders from "still normal" to "being a psychopath" could be really, really fuzzy.

Eg...if we take the Norway killer...i am sure that many *healthy* people are indeed sharing his opinion to some extent... (not every "radical" is automatically mentally ill, right). But most will certainly agree that a normal, mental stable person (even with a radical ideology) would not kill 90 people (children) "just like that". A person who spends 90mins calmly killing 90 people CAN (IMHO) not be right in their head.

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But a seed is planted



God help us.!

He primarily rails against multiculturalism, not religion. He sees the mixing of cultures with no integration as an open assault on his country by the very people that are task with protecting it..

we have the core of the problem right here.

Because those "problems" you mention are a direct result of (as you say!) NON INTEGRATING, non-tolerance, non accepting and NOT UNDERSTANDING, "fear" of everything/everyone who is different.

His "multi-culturism" is actually what is working IN FAVOR of eliminating those problems, one goal (of multi-culturism) also that different cultures integrate into a society, NOT "living by" each other.

Now..needless to say HIS intention is not that different cultures integrate and understand/tolerate. He HATES them. Otherwise he would have written a "liberal" manifesto talking about ways how to better integrate cultures..and we can certainly say his manifesto is all BUT that.

In fact, for him the problem is NOT a lack of integration....this is just a mental disguise, the underlying factor is simply HATE and NOT the problem of "integration". And..you know that!

reply to post by flexy123


I'm curious to know how you define or perceive "radical". His writings suggest his desire to protect his country's identity. Not at all radical. The Norwegian gov't policy of "multiculturalism" is what's radical.

His writings suggest his desire to protect his country's identity.

Sorry....."country's identity" or nationalism are OUTDATED CONCEPTS. Next.

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Obviously, they're not.

Originally posted by flexy123

we have the core of the problem right here.

Because those "problems" you mention are a direct result of (as you say!) NON INTEGRATING, non-tolerance, non accepting and NOT UNDERSTANDING, "fear" of everything/everyone who is different.

His "multi-culturism" is actually what is working IN FAVOR of eliminating those problems, one goal (of multi-culturism) also that different cultures integrate into a society, NOT "living by" each other.

Now..needless to say HIS intention is not that different cultures integrate and understand/tolerate. He HATES them. Otherwise he would have written a "liberal" manifesto talking about ways how to better integrate cultures..and we can certainly say his manifesto is all BUT that.


In fact, for him the problem is NOT a lack of integration....this is just a mental disguise, the underlying factor is simply HATE and NOT the problem of "integration". And..you know that!

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You are a true believer in this progressive garbage so then why were there not any Muslims integrating on the island to create your utopia.

Originally posted by flexy123
His "multi-culturism" is actually what is working IN FAVOR of eliminating those problems, one goal (of multi-culturism) also that different cultures integrate into a society, NOT "living by" each other.

Your definition of multiculturalism is completely opposed to the working definition.

In a political context it has come to mean the advocacy of extending equitable status to distinct ethnic and religious groups without promoting any specific ethnic, religious, and/or cultural community values as central. Multiculturalism as "cultural mosaic" is often contrasted with the concepts assimilationism and social integration and has been described as a "salad bowl" rather than a "melting pot."

multiculturalism is the exact opposite of integration.

It’s two or more distinct cultures inhabiting the same geographical area, with no base laws or values tying them together. It progresses to the point that the same laws do not apply to the entire population. Depending on what ethic group you are from, you may be subject to a totally different set of laws than someone else of a different ethic group. Some people have been pushing the recognition of sharia law in parts of Canada and the US for Muslim couples.

That is perfectly acceptable under multiculturalism. That is not integration by any whacked out sense of the imagination.

I refuse to read his manifesto..

As much as I'd like to.. I think it would be an insult to the victims to do so.
but the excerpts I've seen posted, he comes off as rational to me.
Perhaps not sane, but rational. It seems as though he understood fully what he was doing..

as opposed to other shooters, such as Jared Loughner or Cho Seung Hui who were just horribly horribly insane and without a presence of reality.

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I've yet to meet a muslim not integrated with American society.

I obviously can't speak for Norway, as I am no Norwegian.

Originally posted by Miraj
reply to post by type0civ

 

I've yet to meet a muslim not integrated with American society.

I obviously can't speak for Norway, as I am no Norwegian.

freedomnewsnetwork.co.uk...

Rape on the Steps of Parliament
Published on July 20, 2011

As we have reported previously, all the stranger rapes in Oslo over the past five years — when the perpetrators could be identified — were committed by Muslim immigrants, and almost all of the victims were indigenous Norwegians. This is an example of “conquest through rape”, which is has been a feature of the Islamic hijra all over the world ever since the 7th century.

This latest rape would seem to be just another in a long series — a 20-year-old Norwegian girl raped by a 15-year-old North African asylum-seeker in downtown Oslo. Ho-hum, dog bites man, right?

Well, not entirely. This particular atrocity occurred on the steps of the Norwegian parliament, facing the Castle. To make matters even worse, as the young culture-enricher worked his will on the victim, he was being observed live via a video surveillance camera by security guards inside the parliament building — who did not leave the building to help the young woman.

It seems that interrupting a rape on the front steps was not part of their job description — that task rightly belonged to the police, who unfortunately arrived too late to interrupt the crime.

Oh, and one more thing: the suspect was apprehended, but released from custody later in the day.

Security guards zoomed in rape — did not go outside until assault was completed

The Stortinget security guards followed the rape of the almost unconscious 20-year old directly on video without intervening.

The security guards changed the surveillance camera from panorama shots to zoom in on the rape being perpetrated on the steps of Stortinget, but did not go to the scene before the perpetrator was finished and about to leave the area.

“I can confirm that our people have contributed video to the police in conjunction with this event. My section is always at work, but we are primarily there to ensure the safety of the national Norwegian parliament,” says the Stortinget security chief Gerrit Løberg to Dagbladet.

“We assisted in a way that ensured the perpetrator was apprehended,” he continues.

“Would you have intervened if you have discovered this?”

“No, when a crime is taking place, the police are contacted. As I understand it, they arrived promptly.”

When Dagbladet asks for a meeting about the security officers’ behaviour, Gerrit Løberg replies:

“No. We have a lot to do today. But I understand that you want to make a big thing out of this, and it’s a dry news season.”

The images from the surveillance camera also show that several people pass by without intervening. Someone stops and smiles, and at least one person is alleged to have taped the brutal assault on the almost unconscious woman.

The 15-year-old North African asylum-seeker who is suspected of the rape has been released from custody. Neither the victim or the witnesses have contacted the police.

If the same thing happened on the steps of the US capital, you would hear about it around the globe!

Originally posted by flexy123

Sorry....."country's identity" or nationalism are OUTDATED CONCEPTS. Next.

Says who?

"outdated." Now there is an interesting concept. Who decides what's "up to date" and what's "out of fashion"?

You?

Because personally I find the statement quoted above appalling and I hope you are just trolling. Fortunately I think most ATSers are too sophisticated for that.

Originally posted by silent thunder

Originally posted by flexy123

Sorry....."country's identity" or nationalism are OUTDATED CONCEPTS. Next.

Says who?

"outdated." Now there is an interesting concept. Who decides what's "up to date" and what's "out of fashion"?

You?

Because personally I find the statement quoted above appalling and I hope you are just trolling. Fortunately I think most ATSers are too sophisticated for that.

edit on 7/24/11 by silent thunder because: (no reason given)

Nationalism: Past
Globalization: Future


If you decide to live in the past - you're free to do so. This won't stop the world evolving. Old concepts sooner or later WILL be replaced and forgotten.

Originally posted by flexy123
Nationalism: Past
Globalization: Future


If you decide to live in the past - you're free to do so. This won't stop the world evolving. Old concepts sooner or later WILL be replaced and forgotten.

I am sorry but I don’t think ideas and beliefs have an expiration date!

People like you are the very people that instigate tragic events, like the one that just happened.

Any person with two brain cells left in their head will know that the native population will only tolerate so much before they go ballistic.

No mater how pacifist a person is, everyone has a breaking point.


When the X population can bomb people indiscriminately, and chant death to everyone else. Then everyone in the Y population is told that they have to be tolerant of such things because the actions of one doesn’t reflect on the others. Yet, when someone in the Y population does something stupid, then they are told that it’s a sign that the entire Y population is being intolerant, and that more restrictions have to be placed on them because of the possibility of the rest of them doing something evil because of overheated rhetoric.

People will only tolerate that for so long before even the most pacifist population will say “To hell with everything, we are not going to take it any more!”.

A child murderer is still a child murderer.

No matter what side of the political spectrum you tend to prefer.



I hope there is a hell, just for people like him....

reply to post by flexy123


There is a lack of intergration into Western Society by Muslim people. Not all but some for sure. You just have to look at the UK were multiculturalism isn't working. It used to work ok because there was less Muslims in the UK.

I am from Australia. We have embraced a Multicultural society for a long time and it worked well. Australia was pretty much founded on the idea. In the last 20 years though, the Lords Prayer has been removed from our schools because it offends Muslims. Public Swimming pools are closed to Australians sometimes so Muslims ladies can go for a swim. (In Dubai we all swam together without a problem) Christmas carols are not allowed to be sung because, yes, it may offend Muslims.

Australia is heading in the same direction as Europe. in particular the UK and France and the future is not looking too good..