Anders Behring Breivik, the Norway killer

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(Anders Behring Breivik in his younger years)

Here is an interview with some one who knew Anders Behring Breivik close for about four years in school.

'The Anders Breivik I knew'

"This is him," he said. "This is the guy. The guy they just arrested at the summer camp."

There was a link, to a Facebook page. Three to four pictures, clearly professionally taken, shot in a studio. Almost like a press kit.

They were pictures of a guy I knew.

Pictures of a guy whose name many people will not even speak out any more, as they do not want to contribute to his fame.
Anders Behring Breivik was a friend of mine. He was my classmate for four years.
SOURCE

Also i found an article that is stating that Anders Behring Breivik was possibly filming during the shooting according to the police.
I have not been able to find the article in English anywhere so here is the link to a Dutch newspaper, just use google translate if needed.
SOURCE

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Breivik is a superman. On his way to a world record in casualties in the whack shooter category, not only is he carrying around and reloading three different weapons*, he's filming the whole thing with his other hand:

www.newsinenglish.no...
As further witnesses have added to reports that Breivik was filming as he carried out the shootings on Utøya, police continue to search for any camera equipment on the island.

And he's doing it while he's totally stoned, too:

translate.google.com...
Police have confirmed that samples taken from Behring Breivik after his arrest shows that he was under the influence of illegal drugs during the terrorist attacks.

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*A semi-automatic pistol, a semi-automatic rifle, and a shotgun(though the shotgun seems to have disappeared in recent official statements).

www.theaustralian.com.au...
I've been seeing quite a few stories that suggest or state outright near the beginning that Breivik did this alone.

When you probe further, they are saying that he committed these attacks alone.

What they are consistently not saying, is that he isn't lying that he's part of a group. Or that he has a cell that he's recruited.

www.telegraph.co.uk...

Breivik re-enacts attack on Utoeya.


www.telegraph.co.uk...

Still wearing his justicar colours.

The prosecutor also confirmed Norwegian media reports that police had received several phone calls from Breivik during the hour long killing spree on the island but would not reveal details.

A report in the Norwegian daily Aftenposten, said Breivik offered to surrender several times and asked police to call him back, but they didn't.

EUROPE: 'Rethink Rhetoric Against Islam'

However, he added, "you cannot accuse a Muslim person in Germany, who worships her faith, who
respects ritual such as Ramadan, and who raises her children respecting God, and otherwise leads an
exemplary civil life in our country, of the extreme actions of regimes such as the one in Saudi Arabia."

How interesting. I agree.

However, even moderate Muslims do this about ALL of the Western countries all the time.

One wonders, is anyone going to bother to promote the "Rethinking of anti-Western Rhetoric' being preached in Mosques and Islamic communities anytime soon?

I think not.

Breivik became the same as his enemy. You can't fix that by ignoring that he was indeed EMULATING the Islamic community he was coming into contact with. You cannot just fix all the white people, and pretend that significant political-religious anti-Western rhetoric isn't happening.

Apparently, cutting the difference between "moderate" and "extreme"/"violent" Islam is necessary. Cutting that same difference between Breivik and political-religious groups concerned about Islam is not.

Which is it? Are the moderates the same of the extremists or not? Because if all the socially-protective politically motivated moderate people in Europe are influencing extremists, doesn't that mean that the moderate Muslims preaching anti-Western rhetoric are fueling extremists too? Or does this effect only function on Caucasians?

Originally posted by Aeons
www.telegraph.co.uk...

Breivik re-enacts attack on Utoeya.


www.telegraph.co.uk...

Still wearing his justicar colours.

Yes i have seen the news that they would bring him to the Utoya island for a reconstruction but i did not have the chance to watch some of the video footage.
Very bizarre indeed.
Must have been a hard job for the police people walking him around.

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These are the two most importand bits to me that i found in the article you posted.

In Norway, the leader of the local conservative party, Erna Solberg, complained that "the way European
extremist anti-Islam groups today denigrate Muslims and Islam is very similar to the way Fascist and
right wing parties denigrated Jews in the 1930s."

(snip)

Hans Leyendecker, a prominent German reporter, appealed to the public "not to fall into this
propaganda trap" of anti-Muslim movements in Europe.

"These hot debates on the risks of Islamic terror most of the time ignore the basic fact, that its attacks
occur mostly in Muslim countries, such as Afghanistan, Pakistan, and Somalia, and that its main victims
are Muslims themselves," Leyendecker wrote in an op-ed piece in the daily newspaper 'Die
Sueddeutsche Zeitung'. "In 2010, there were some 250 terror attacks in Europe. Only three of these
attacks had an Islamic background."
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The difference between the "extreme" rightwing and the "moderate" is a bit blurred i think.
The rise of the more hardline retoric creates some difficult situations.
We can not send all muslims out for example but some of the retoric almost suggests that we have to.

If we dont talk and think constructive than we wont find constructive solutions.
There is a large muslim populations in a lot of european countries and we cant just send them all of, we cant deny them jobs and houses, maybe from some, trough politics and so on, but surely not on a scale that most retoric suggests.

This creates a void between the heavy discussion and small scale solutions and some violent people might think that they can fill this void, like Anders Behring Breivik.

Immigration policies certainly need to be examined to determine a formula that allows a culture to maintain a feeling of safety while accomodating cultural mixture from groups with diametrically opposed cultural backgrounds and goals.

Some cultural admixture is easy. Some are not. Not all of these are determined by race by any means. Ignoring the difference and the problem of accomodation of cultural motifs which are intrinsically opposed to the basic tenents of the resident culture is ridiculous.

The rhetoric about the dangers of Islamophobia to those who practic Islam.....and the people that got shot were vastly not Islamic. It makes one wonder if pundits are being intentionally obtuse.

What Breivik has done is tragic. He has become more like that which he claims to fight, in order to hit back at his neighbours for failing to admire their shared culture.

His message is you failed to protect me and mine, sold my family a lie, and so now I will protect me and the people like me.

This isn't a message to be ignored, nor one that is not shared. Poeple ignore the voices of the disaffected at their peril. Blockading their views, or denigrating them will NOT make them go away. It makes them fester.

When people who've tried, and tried hard to tow the popular party line, grew up with it as a daily meal at the family dinner table, and find it fails them....their feelings of being abandoned and sacrificed are great. And they aren't making it up. Breivik grew up utterly ensconsed in the failures of the best of this system, and he tried to make it work for him.

That's a problem. A problem that doesn't go away because people lecture about how hard it is to be an immigrant.

Higher quality video of parts of the re-enactment.

I've noticed that the pictures and videos being used in much of the english sources are seriously degraded.

www.vgtv.no...#!id=42906

Tellingly, the first reports coming from the island were for more than one shooter. Many more:

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The messages was that there were three to five perpetrators and possibly explosives.

Certainly, the many ways the eyewitnesses described the shooter back up the accuracy of this early info.

Since Breivik was able to describe just about every single one of his murders, your theory is blown out of the water.

It seems also that the police have video of parts of it as corroboration. They aren't releasing it, probably for obvious reasons.

I would suggest watching and reading the Baltic, and European news and forums about this. They appear to be far less squeamish than their North American counterparts.

That's some serious ability at psychic communication, that he could pull the specific murders of people in areas he wasn't in from the isolation he's been in since he surrendered to police.

translate.google.ca...://www.newsland.ru/news/detail/id/756155/&ei=VPpNTveyI6Ls0gHnsIiaBw&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result &resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CBoQ7gEwAA&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dwww.newsland.ru...

This is just a sampling of thoughts from Europe.

We think that Breivik's actions must not be taken seriously. But this isn't the case.

On English sites, people are not seeing the full picture. Even the people whom he has taken inspiration from abhor his actions and seek to distance themselves.

Not so in many non-English sites. Not just ones that are the equivalent of the white-superior sites you can find in English. These views are on their commentary on newspapers.

There is something more going on in Europe and the Baltic nations than we are being allowed to see. We are being fed a diet of fuzzy images, and kumbaya-we-are-all-one stuff. This doesn't seem to be quite as universal as it is being made out to be.

At some point someone is going to ask me why I'm interested in this, so I'll put it in here now.

He did something psychologically that should be studied by some military minds. I'll say it. Others should just study it and pretend they aren't.

Breivik has what I consider to be tell-tale being both a bellwether, and a warning sign of what happens when someone with all the perks ends up ensconced in a morass of the moral bad consequences of modern leftism.

I've said it before, I'll say it again - be careful of the misplaced Omega. You don't know when he's gonna go off, and when the men around him will see his plight as their own and he turns into a runaway event.

I think he's touched something primal. Pretending he hasn't, and throwing a gloss of paint over the old shack and hoping no one will pay attention to the chittering behind the wall is insanity.

Originally posted by Aeons
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This is just a sampling of thoughts from Europe.

It is a pitty the forum messes up the link.
The linktag funcion doesnt always work with these google translated urls.

Could you maybe post the link to the source so i can put it in google translate myself.

Thanks

Because i think you got something interesting to say here but i am not sure i understand without the posted information on the link.

Originally posted by Aeons
Since Breivik was able to describe just about every single one of his murders, your theory is blown out of the water.

He did? Do you have a source for that?

Originally posted by AeonsIt seems also that the police have video of parts of it as corroboration.

There is one cell phone video of survivors hiding in a cave. This is certainly not a corroboration of Breivik acting alone.

Originally posted by AeonsI would suggest watching and reading the Baltic, and European news and forums about this.

Link?

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www.newsinenglish.no...
Initial calls from terrified campers also gave police reason to believe there were as many as five terrorists on the island.

This initial information is often the best. Will the police release transcripts of all the witness interviews? Probably not, as it would have too many accounts of people who saw/heard the other shooters.

Originally posted by Aeons
Since Breivik was able to describe just about every single one of his murders, your theory is blown out of the water.

It seems also that the police have video of parts of it as corroboration. They aren't releasing it, probably for obvious reasons.

I would suggest watching and reading the Baltic, and European news and forums about this. They appear to be far less squeamish than their North American counterparts.

That's some serious ability at psychic communication, that he could pull the specific murders of people in areas he wasn't in from the isolation he's been in since he surrendered to police.

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But it does seem we have to take it from the words of the police, we dont know what Anders Behring Breivik actualy said.
Not saying that what the police says is not true, but if there is some sort of cover up they can tell us anything.

Do you have any specific news sources that you can recommend?
because the Dutch news is very brief about this subject and when i look for more sources most things seem burried under the standard Breivik news.

Originally posted by starviego
There is one cell phone video of survivors hiding in a cave. This is certainly not a corroboration of Breivik acting alone.

Do you have any link on this maybe ?
Or any more information pointing in the direction of multiple shooters/helpers, if so please post so we can all have a look.
I personally can not rule out that there could have been more people involved beside Anders Behring Breivik himself but it seems not easy to find many "facts" that support this scenario that i know of.
If there are any than i would like to check them out.

--www.abovetopsecret.com...
"i heard one witness on bbc news saying they heard gunfire from different locations"

--www.abovetopsecret.com...
"A different witness heard the sound from afar driving the road that goes parallel with this inland sea. She also heard more than one type of shooting sound at the same time."

www.abovetopsecret.com...
"According to the FB-page of Torbjørn Vereide, whom swam from the island, there were multiple shooters.

--www.abovetopsecret.com...
"Some sources say "at least 3 shooters"."

--www.abovetopsecret.com...
"There is also witnesses reporting that there was more shooters.

www.breakingnews.ie...
NTB reported that witnesses told police two people were involved in the shooting on Utoya island.

Multiple eyewitnesses said the gunman was talking into a headset:
www.bt.no...
"bt.no get last night announced that the perpetrator was talking in the headset during the massacre. This will be a number of eyewitnesses have observed."

en.rian.ru...
--"I saw a boy lying on the ground. He shivered and shook before they came over and shot him again," VG quoted the girl as saying.

news.sky.com...
Emilie Bersaas, 19, said:
"The shooting came from all different directions."

www.vg.no...
Several of the youths who were on Utøya the shooting drama, told VG that they are convinced that there must have been more than one perpetrator. It also believes Marius Helander Roset.
- I am sure that it was shot from two different places on the island at the same time, he said.

en.rian.ru...
Several young people who survived Utoya's massacre, told VG paper that the shootings were coming from "two different places on the island at the same time."
"I believe that there were two people who were shooting," VG quoted a 23-year old Alexander Stavdal.
The witnesses described the second man as a 180-centimeter tall(5'11'), dark-haired man with Nordic appearance with "a pistol in his right hand and a rifle on his back."

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www.newsland.ru...

Link without translate. The comment section is the part you want.

Originally posted by starviego
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Echos, perspective, and light sources. Breivik has the sort of hair that looks darker in different light. The man being described is Breivik. He used two different weapons.

Also, if you follow the route he took around Ut Oya, you'll see that it would look to people as if he was everywhere.

Breivik was talking into a headset. He was calling the police. At least twice, perhaps upto ten times.

Anders supposedly videoed some of this and the police have spoken to him about potential video. They haven't released the video, nor discussed its contents. For obvious reasons this would be given to the prosecutor.

I'll see what I can dig up. I've been following in multiple languages for weeks and I'm sure I've linked a couple versions of this already.

Calls to police.

www.tv2.no...

In this he confirms my suspicion that the cell phone he picked up is the cell phone of the off -duty police officer and HRH Crown Princess Mette-Marit's stepbrother Trond Berntsen.