The word "Christian" appears 2247 times in the Norweigian terrorist's manifesto.

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker


Actually, it's the Noahide laws that apply to everyone:
1. Prohibition of Idolatry
2. Prohibition of Murder
3. Prohibition of Theft
4. Prohibition of Sexual immorality
5. Prohibition of Blasphemy
6. Prohibition of eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive
7. Establishment of courts of law

reply to post by kallisti36

Not me!
I am totally into blasphemy and the covenant I am under is the covenant of Jesus.
edit to add: also idolatry, as in believing in Jesus, which the Jews consider idolatry.
So I blaspheme against Yahweh and I call Jesus Lord and God.

Originally posted by kallisti36
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

 

Actually, it's the Noahide laws that apply to everyone:
1. Prohibition of Idolatry
2. Prohibition of Murder
3. Prohibition of Theft
4. Prohibition of Sexual immorality
5. Prohibition of Blasphemy
6. Prohibition of eating flesh taken from an animal while it is still alive
7. Establishment of courts of law

I've never heard of those, but I don't see anything wrong with them. Were did you learn this?

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker


It's the general laws given to Noah after the flood.

reply to post by jmdewey60


Friend, I really don't think you understand where Gnosticism comes from. If you read the early defenders of Orthodoxy you will see how little Gnosticism has to do with the teachings of Christ and the apostles. The Book of Revelations as well as certain letters of Paul directly refute early forms of Gnostics like the Nicolatains. It was a response to Gnosticism and false teachers that prompted the necessity for Apostolic Succession and Sacred Tradition (which became swear words among protestants thanks to Roman Catholic excesses and traditions of men). If you read Irenaeus ( www.columbia.edu... ) and Tertullian you will really get a grasp of this.

Yahweh is the God of Christ

Yahshuah to the Samaritan Woman:
Ye [Samaritans] worship ye know not what: we [Jews] know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews

Give Irenaeus a chance, he really lays out a case against the various forms of Gnosticism. You don't have to accept Judaism (Phariseeism) or Jewish sensibilities to accept the OT. It is this scripture that laid the path for Christ. Yahweh is the Father, do not deny him.

reply to post by kallisti36

Yahweh is the Father, do not deny him.

I can and I will if it kills me.
Accepting Yahweh is denying God, the God and Father of Jesus who is above Yahweh who was a flaming angel who was spokesperson for God in a distant time past.

Woah, dudes...

Ecumenical agenda people are feared by the Church but you guys make it clear there's nothing to fear.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by kallisti36

 

Yahweh is the Father, do not deny him.

I can and I will if it kills me.
Accepting Yahweh is denying God, the God and Father of Jesus who is above Yahweh who was a flaming angel who was spokesperson for God in a distant time past.

edit on 27-7-2011 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)

Your joking right? If the God and Father of Jesus is not Yahweh then who is?

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by kallisti36

 

Yahweh is the Father, do not deny him.

I can and I will if it kills me.
Accepting Yahweh is denying God, the God and Father of Jesus who is above Yahweh who was a flaming angel who was spokesperson for God in a distant time past.

edit on 27-7-2011 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)

Your joking right? If the God and Father of Jesus is not Yahweh then who is?

Jesus is his own father, remember?

2nd line

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

Your joking right? If the God and Father of Jesus is not Yahweh then who is?

No, I am not joking.
That's the thing, isn't it, it's all about the name. People want a name and to me, there is the idolatry.
People ignore that Jesus never names the Father, other than the generic sort of term.
He never ties Him into the angel of Sinai.
God has a name above all names and we will know it when we go to heaven, not before that.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

 

Your joking right? If the God and Father of Jesus is not Yahweh then who is?

No, I am not joking.
That's the thing, isn't it, it's all about the name. People want a name and to me, there is the idolatry.
People ignore that Jesus never names the Father, other than the generic sort of term.
He never ties Him into the angel of Sinai.
God has a name above all names and we will know it when we go to heaven, not before that.

You do know that the book of Matthew was originally written in Hebrew. It is therefore natural to conclude that when Matthew quoted passages from the OT in which the Tetragrammaton appeared (thing that occurred both in the Hebrew OT and in the Greek one then available) he would have surely left YHWH in his gospel as no Jew ever dared to take away the Tetragrammaton from the Hebrew text of the Holy Scriptures.

You can learn about this here: jehovah.to...

reply to post by RealTruthSeeker
I've read up on all that and I would not be saying what I am saying, if I had not done my homework.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

 

I've read up on all that and I would not be saying what I am saying, if I had not done my homework.

So are you saying that YHWH is not the name of God?

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

 

I've read up on all that and I would not be saying what I am saying, if I had not done my homework.

So are you saying that YHWH is not the name of God?

That is God's ONLY name. Yahweh is the transliterated version of YHWH but it means the same thing: I AM WHO I AM. The rest of the names attributed to God are just titles. That's my understanding of this current discussion.

reply to post by kallisti36

If you read Irenaeus and Tertullian you will really get a grasp of this.

Bought their books and read them 25 years ago. You may be surprised by my collection of books by the early church fathers and for a long time was obsessed with them. That's how I found out all about Arius and how I am an Arian.

reply to post by ExistentialNightmare
So how many times was the word Islam in it. Maybe he's an Islamic supporter on on double secret probation trying to increase tension to start yet another Crusades. Seriously you can't judge him on religion or we're no better than they are. He's just a nut with issues and firepower.

reply to post by novastrike81

That is God's ONLY name. Yahweh is the transliterated version of YHWH but it means the same thing: I AM WHO I AM. The rest of the names attributed to God are just titles. That's my understanding of this current discussion.

This phrase you are referring to, spoken by the angel was about himself. He was saying, "In times bast I was known to. . . by the name. . ." Moses was insisting on a name and he did it twice, once to know what to tell Pharaoh, and another to know what to tell the Israelites. The angel repeated the phrase with a slight variation which was taken, in much later times, and turned into a name and even much later than that, was used to fill in the name of the Lord, in Genesis when that phrase had never been uttered.

Originally posted by novastrike81

Originally posted by RealTruthSeeker

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker

 

I've read up on all that and I would not be saying what I am saying, if I had not done my homework.

So are you saying that YHWH is not the name of God?

That is God's ONLY name. Yahweh is the transliterated version of YHWH but it means the same thing: I AM WHO I AM. The rest of the names attributed to God are just titles. That's my understanding of this current discussion.

I agree with you. I don't know how anyone could say otherwise.

I'm reading a pdf about the Laws of Noah and so far I like what I see. Thanks for pointed that out to me .

reply to post by jmdewey60


No, you're not. Arius did not deny the God of the Jews.

Arian theology leaves you with three gods and a form of tri-theism contrary to the Gospels. I cannot understand how anyone can reconcile John 1:1 with the idea that there was a time when Christ was not and that he is merely a creation.

reply to post by novastrike81


Sigh... The Son is not the Father. There are three persons of the Trinity: The Father (Godhead) from whom proceeds the Son and the Holy Spirit. They are bound together in a hypostatic union of uncreated energies and are ONE in being and purpose. The mechanics are confusing which is why western Christianity since the filioque controversy has ended up messing up the nature of the Trinity. You have the Romans placing the Holy Spirit beneath the Father and the Son, and the Protestants being woefully ignorant of anything beyond their 400 year old traditions, who adopt a form of modalism (three aspects of one God).