Mystery as UFO Footage Emerges

Originally posted by MainLineThis
And people wonder why we can't be taken seriously............come on, we have to be better than this.

So lead by example instead of name calling... You tirade is getting old

def tirade: a prolonged outburst of bitter, outspoken denunciation

reply to post by zorgon


Please, someone can debunk this vid?

Until now just the same old arguments that prove nothing. How a reflection goes behind the clouds and gets brighter?

What do you think about this Zorgon?

Originally posted by RUSSO
reply to post by zorgon

 

Please, someone can debunk this vid?

Until now just the same old arguments that prove nothing. How a reflection goes behind the clouds and gets brighter?

What do you think about this Zorgon?

edit on 21-7-2011 by RUSSO because: (no reason given)

Having now watched this video footage for about the 30th time, I am more and more intrigued....

This is one of the most interesting and unique pieces of film, which I can honestly say has never been seen before, especially here on ATS. So where have all the debunkers gone to tread this film footage into the ground?

I don't just want to hear from the debunkers, I want to hear more from all the people who declare themselves lovers of UFO craft and the like to give some kind of point of view regarding this film footage.

This thread was started a few days ago, but I truly believe that it hasn't been given the attention it should have been given. So come on ATS people, take a look at the film a few times, think about what is before you and then come back to the keyboard and write something down that reflects your gut reaction, be it positive or negative.

You have to admit, this is a unique and totally different piece of UFO/craft film footage compared to what you have seen before. Out of all the film footage you have seen over the years regarding UFO's, hoaxes or not, you have to agree that this is not your run of the mill UFO type hoax films.

If I wanted to make a hoax film of an alien craft, do you honestly think I would hoax something to resemble what can be seen in this piece of film and present it to the public arena with the knowledge that I was going to get laughed out of town within minutes of doing so? I don't think so.................

And as for people coming back and saying it is a reflection of some kind, I don't believe so. I don't see how a reflection can appear to be a solid object when going behind and into the clouds..........

Just my thoughts............

So come on folks, get your teeth into it and lets see where it takes us....

After all the hoaxes and crap that are put before us on a daily/weekly/yearly basis, this could be the one, but nobody would give it the time of day, just because it didn't resemble the objects that you see in the movies.....

I wish the footage wasn't so jumpy..I think it's an interesting video and to me it does not look like a cloud i have no idea what it is some things just cant be explained thats why there called UFOs thanks for the interesting thread

Originally posted by sugarcookie1
I wish the footage wasn't so jumpy..I think it's an interesting video and to me it does not look like a cloud i have no idea what it is some things just cant be explained thats why there called UFOs thanks for the interesting thread

I will try to do a Image stabilization with the after effects. I will put this in here if it works.

..... I don't just want to hear from the debunkers, I want to hear more from all the people who declare themselves lovers of UFO craft and the like to give some kind of point of view regarding this film footage......

You have to admit, this is a unique and totally different piece of UFO/craft film footage compared to what you have seen before. Out of all the film footage you have seen over the years regarding UFO's, hoaxes or not, you have to agree that this is not your run of the mill UFO type hoax films.

If I wanted to make a hoax film of an alien craft, do you honestly think I would hoax something to resemble what can be seen in this piece of film and present it to the public arena with the knowledge that I was going to get laughed out of town within minutes of doing so? I don't think so.................

And as for people coming back and saying it is a reflection of some kind, I don't believe so. I don't see how a reflection can appear to be a solid object when going behind and into the clouds..........

Hello again!

< Stands up... puts hand on heart and declares...>

I love UFO craft, investigations, speculation etc.

That's one of the main reasons I watched this video (off-site on stv.tv/local) then subsequently searched for it here on ATS.

I have now watched the video many times.

I don't however agree that this is unique or totally different.

I've already linked to two separate videos / stills which show transparent diamond like objects, and clearly demonstrate that video cameras create the transparent diamond effect when looking at a point of light out of focus.

I believe that's what's being seen in most of this video.

The proof of that, is that when the camera zooms in/out and auto focuses, the transparent diamond suddenly appears to be a solid point of light. (As seen in the still shots posted earlier in this thread)

Also, when the camera is zoomed out and focused on the clouds, (far away in the sky) the point of light is way out of focus - giving the diamond effect, which suggests that the point of light is much nearer than the clouds.

Since it's most likely being filmed through a window, the most likely place for the point of light to be is in the room, reflected in the glass.

What is perceived as the diamond going into the clouds, could simply be the reflected, out of focus light source (or reflected light) moving in and out of shadow, or in and out of shot.

Also to consider... If the object is a large /solid / cloaked object, going into and out of the clouds, why can't we see any indication of this in the clouds themselves?
They don't move or part when the object moves.
They don't reflect any of the light coming from the object when it becomes "solid" and bright.

I'm not suggesting that the video is necessarily a hoax. I'm suggesting that the object has been mis-identified.

It is NOT a large transparent diamond, it APPEARS to be a large transparent diamond because it is a small point of light, viewed through a video camera which is focused on far-away clouds.

The movement of the object is very intriguing, and indeed harder to explain.
I suppose it's movement would depend on what the light source actually is.

My guess is this;
Picture If you can, a crystal pendant, hanging on a thread in the room, catching the sunlight, swinging gently back and forth in the breeze from a window. It is reflecting the sunlight brightly, and this is being seen reflected on the glass of the main window that the video is being filmed through.

It appears on the video as an out of focus diamond shaped blob, which gently moves "in and out of the clouds", until the camera zooms, auto-focuses, and for a few frames displays it as it actually is (a small close-by light source).

It may "appear" to go behind a cloud, but in reality, it might just be swinging into shade, or behind a curtain or blind in the room, losing it's bright reflection, and therefore appearing to disappear.

This is just my personal opinion. I'd like nothing more than to be proven wrong, but I honestly don't see anything in the video that cannot be explained in this way. I've clearly demonstrated that a point light source, when viewed through an out of focus video camera, looks exactly like the transparent diamond shape in this video.
I've also shown that when the camera re-focuses (away from the clouds), the diamond shape suddenly becomes a solid, in-focus, small light source, which doesn't seem to effect the clouds in any way.
The simplest explanation, to me, is that the object is just a small light source, near the camera, probably reflected in the window glass.

If not.... why not?

regards,
GTD

reply to post by RUSSO


I don't believe this is a cloud, as even on the calmest of days at ground level there is always some movement up there in the clouds. They are always changing shape due to air currents, and if a person uses binocculars, the changes can easily be seen no matter how calm things appear to be from ground level. As far as the video being faked goes, I am only guessing by saying I believe it to be untouched.

the answer to this is quite simple. The witness claims he sees this regularly. So someone in the area get round to his general area and set up some proper recording. Then we know. (i live too far away, otherwise i'd be round there :lol

I have seen the same thing as the person in the vid did but I was in Huntsville, TX. It was about 5 years ago during the summer time. The sun appeared to be shining on the object or thru it and gave it a yellow and orange color. the top was yellow and the bottom was orange. I think it may be some type of natural phenomenom that we have yet to discover. This looked like a diamond in the sky, it was way up there and had to be huge. It eventually disapeared behind some cloud cover. It almost looked 2 dimensional to me. Huge floating ice sheet? Who knows...

I have been in contact with Graham Fraser, the gentleman at STV, in Glasgow, who wrote about and interviewed the person who filmed the footage. I have been in correspondence with him by email. I am going to send him a link to this thread by email and see whether he will look at the thread so far, then hopefully he will join in with the thread and answer any questions ATS members may have regarding the film footage.

Obviously there will be a time difference, so we will have to take that into consideration. I am hoping that the person who filmed the object will also get involved with this thread. I have already asked if there is any more footage available other than just the 37 seconds that is available on the internet.

So if you have any questions, then please get ready to ask them if either of these gentlemen agree to be part of this thread.......

Hmmm video unavailable it says

dang it

Originally posted by davethebear
I have been in contact with Graham Fraser, the gentleman at STV, in Glasgow, who wrote about and interviewed the person who filmed the footage. I have been in correspondence with him by email. I am going to send him a link to this thread by email and see whether he will look at the thread so far, then hopefully he will join in with the thread and answer any questions ATS members may have regarding the film footage.

Obviously there will be a time difference, so we will have to take that into consideration. I am hoping that the person who filmed the object will also get involved with this thread. I have already asked if there is any more footage available other than just the 37 seconds that is available on the internet.

So if you have any questions, then please get ready to ask them if either of these gentlemen agree to be part of this thread.......

Nice, looking forward to that.

I live about 2 miles from the videographer, been staring at the clouds looking for diamond shaped formations for the past 24 hours. I have a headache from this. But actually it's scary just how many there potentially are. Somebody mentioned right angled clouds recently and that together with this is currently blowing my mind.

Originally posted by davethebear
I have been in contact with Graham Fraser, the gentleman at STV, in Glasgow, who wrote about and interviewed the person who filmed the footage. I have been in correspondence with him by email. I am going to send him a link to this thread by email and see whether he will look at the thread so far, then hopefully he will join in with the thread and answer any questions ATS members may have regarding the film footage.

Obviously there will be a time difference, so we will have to take that into consideration. I am hoping that the person who filmed the object will also get involved with this thread. I have already asked if there is any more footage available other than just the 37 seconds that is available on the internet.

So if you have any questions, then please get ready to ask them if either of these gentlemen agree to be part of this thread.......

I must thank you for that

I hope he can appear here. It would be very nice.

Originally posted by zorgon
Hmmm video unavailable it says

dang it

Its working for me.

Anyways, I get a copy, so this weekend I will try "after effects" it.

If anyone is still doubting the fact that video cameras can, and do display out-of-focus points of light as transparent diamond shapes, please take the time to watch this youtube video by depthofield.

As it clearly demonstrates this phenomenon.

LINK to youtube video by depthofield

The video cameras "iris" adjusts to allow more or less light into the camera, and it's moving parts, when in a certain position, form a diamond shaped aperture, more than ably demonstrated in the below post by Dainoyfb on another ATS thread.

LINK to dainoyfb's post showing diamond shaped aperture


Many Thanks (especially to depthofield and dainoyfb)

GTD

reply to post by Gordi The Drummer


Malformed video ID, link not working!

Originally posted by jennybee35
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Malformed video ID, link not working!

Thanks Jenny.

I've removed the embedded vid, and put a link in instead, should work ok now.

thanks again,

GTD

Here is a youtube version, with no sound made with cantasia recorder.

Originally posted by Gordi The Drummer
If anyone is still doubting the fact that video cameras can, and do display out-of-focus points of light as transparent diamond shapes, please take the time to watch this youtube video by depthofield.

No one questions that the cameras CAN display aberrations.. the question is is THIS one such an aberration

Depthoffield tends to work really hard trying to reproduce stuff... but he never did address the motion tracking of the STS 75 critters... just kept scream "Bokeh" over and over

What needs to be done here is a stabilization to determining if this object is consistent with the motion expected of a lens aberration... not a recreation of a similar effect

reply to post by RUSSO
Hi Russo; if you pause this last video at the 19-20 second mark, right before the zoom in, you will see an intensely white, more flat object behind the cloud; very interesting...

but as always, people in general are so pessimistic and downright anal that they cannot reserve judgement and admit that, without in-depth analysis by a video expert, that no one really can say what it is or isn't...

but so goes the way of the pseudo-skeptics...




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