Mention any ONE, mention any THING, but DON'T MENTION GOD!

Originally posted by ZackMorris
reply to post by Juran

 

All I can say is... Yhatzee mother****er!! You really hit the nail with the hammer on that one! We are not smart enough to comprehend his reasoning. People never cease to astounding me with their arrogance and ignorance of ignorance. We are all ignorant of so much. It's time to recognize that. I'm a Christian, and. a Muslim, a Buddhist, a Hindu, Pagan, and much, much more. Some, like Christianity, have been twisted around over the years and I tend to disagree with most "self-proclaimed" Christians, but they all have something to offer and besides, the Bible even says there will come a time when most claiming to be Christian will be doing it all wrong, so I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. Anyway, I'm glad to see that someone else has "got it". Cheers to you!

Thanks, ZackMorris
It is nice to get a positive reply they make up for a hundred negatives.

reply to post by rom12345


You wrote:

["I think by incorporating science and cosmology into the notion of God. A much better understanding can arise."]

The idea is ofcourse recommendable, but very few theists are competent or willing to use it. When some of them actually get around to trying it, they prefer promoting their various mythologies to 'truth' by pseudo-scientific methods as unsubstantiated as the mythologies are.

reply to post by ZackMorris


You wrote:

["We are not smart enough to comprehend his reasoning. People never cease to astounding me with their arrogance and ignorance of ignorance. We are all ignorant of so much."]

Not ALL of us are so arrogant or stupid, that we start calling opposition for arrogant or stupid based on circle-arguments, starting from assumptions and exclusive, self-proclaimed premises. In other words: "It's true, because it's true".

"HIS reasoning". Please.......

reply to post by LoneGunMan


i give you a star. well portrayed, and presented. i believe in god and christ, and what you have said here would not be taken seriously if i had written it because of my faith. please start a thread on your findings!

reply to post by traditionaldrummer


thats what it looked like from my screen! why are you from sodom? i think sodom was an athiest homo town, wasnt it?

reply to post by Juran

It was a number of years ago and I was spending a week or so at a beautiful private beach on my own.

What if you were fighting for survival in an illegal gold mine?

What if you were being put in prison because you voiced your opinion on how the government oppresses free people?

What if you were hungry and thirsty and there is a drought and the ocean near you is irradiated?

What if you had to work 18 hours a day, seven days a week, at a conveyor belt because other humans feel they absolutely NEED to buy a piece of crap electronics?

Your arrogance is SO INSULTING. THINK for a few moments before you think, speak, look out your eyes.

I don't question Gods reasons anymore for they are way above my human comprehension

So many humans are suffering and dying because of our inability to help ourselves and our brothers and sisters, an inability that has been forced upon the minds of people worldwide with the notion of god, billions of people waiting for help from the outside.

So while you are in your fantastic delusional state with a twist of psychotic euphoria think about that. Don't blame yourself though, instead educate yourself.

I only know that we can trust and have faith in him for without God there is nothing but fear.

Question: Ever been forced to FIGHT for your survival? Not talking about high school fights.

You have a choice now, to either wise up or continue on the delusional path in front of you. You can also read this with a delusional mind and come up with religious gems like; "oh, this guy must be the devil / god testing me, better stay ignorant."

The end results are quite simple;

1- you do not go insane.

2- you go insane.

The way the world is heading now it won't allow for comfort to the fantasy-world believers, it's going to get too real.

reply to post by Juran


For what it's worth, if you add the value of the 18 words, you get 4518, the same value as:

"He That Overcometh Shall Inherit All Things And I Will Be His God, And He Shall Be My Son"

This is also 3930 in Hebrew (simple) gematria. There are other phrases associated of course, but this is the only one in context with your story.

From Carl Sagan's The Demon-Haunted World:

Imagine a man standing at a closed glass window opposite his fireplace, looking out at his garden in the sunset. He is so absorbed by the view of the outside world that he fails to visualize the interior of the room at all. As it becomes darker outside, however, images of the objects in the room behind him can be seen reflected dimly in the window glass. For a time he may see either the garden (if he gazes into the distance) or the reflection of the room's interior (if he focuses on the glass a few inches from his face). Night falls, but the fire still burns brightly in the fireplace and illuminates the room. The watcher now sees in the glass a vivid reflection of the interior of the room behind him, which appears to be outside the window. This illusion becomes dimmer as the fire dies down, and, finally, when it is dark both outside and within, nothing more is seen. If the fire flares up from time to time, the visions in the glass reappear.

Maybe this just happened inside your head? Look inside yourself. What is it that you want? Do you want to be ruled by the sun? Is the sun a dictator (from your experience he's definitely an ant-crushing bully) or a giver of life? Maybe both? Would you worship a dictator if he gave you life?

reply to post by Juran


OP thank you for sharing your story. I was rivited and it made me shiver when you described the sun and the thumb.

What I am interested in is "its just me." I understand when you said it, there was no rational reason or maybe at least you didn't know it..the words just came, right? In the time since then, have you come to any deeper understanding of what "It's just me" means? How do you understand that phrase for yourself?

Originally posted by Zamini
reply to post by Juran

 

It was a number of years ago and I was spending a week or so at a beautiful private beach on my own.

What if you were fighting for survival in an illegal gold mine?

What if you were being put in prison because you voiced your opinion on how the government oppresses free people?

What if you were hungry and thirsty and there is a drought and the ocean near you is irradiated?

What if you had to work 18 hours a day, seven days a week, at a conveyor belt because other humans feel they absolutely NEED to buy a piece of crap electronics?

Your arrogance is SO INSULTING. THINK for a few moments before you think, speak, look out your eyes.

I don't question Gods reasons anymore for they are way above my human comprehension

So many humans are suffering and dying because of our inability to help ourselves and our brothers and sisters, an inability that has been forced upon the minds of people worldwide with the notion of god, billions of people waiting for help from the outside.

So while you are in your fantastic delusional state with a twist of psychotic euphoria think about that. Don't blame yourself though, instead educate yourself.

I only know that we can trust and have faith in him for without God there is nothing but fear.

Question: Ever been forced to FIGHT for your survival? Not talking about high school fights.

You have a choice now, to either wise up or continue on the delusional path in front of you. You can also read this with a delusional mind and come up with religious gems like; "oh, this guy must be the devil / god testing me, better stay ignorant."

The end results are quite simple;

1- you do not go insane.

2- you go insane.

The way the world is heading now it won't allow for comfort to the fantasy-world believers, it's going to get too real.

For the life of me I see no reason for your continuous negativity. You know nothing of my personal life yet you take it upon yourself to malign me. I have won my knowledge through confronting the problems face on and through refusing to accept the b/s. I have a right, as much right as you do, to post what I have learnt for others to read and comment on if they so wish. Criticism I welcome but I have yet to read anything from you that actually makes coherent sense. Perhaps if you could work on controlling your temper you might be better equipped to form constructive thoughts.

Originally posted by SuperiorEd
reply to post by Juran

 

For what it's worth, if you add the value of the 18 words, you get 4518, the same value as:

"He That Overcometh Shall Inherit All Things And I Will Be His God, And He Shall Be My Son"

This is also 3930 in Hebrew (simple) gematria. There are other phrases associated of course, but this is the only one in context with your story.

Thanks for that info, SuperiorEd, but I don't pretend to be God's son only his ant and even an ant if useful to God once he has given himself to God.

Originally posted by Unsaved
From Carl Sagan's The Demon-Haunted World:

Imagine a man standing at a closed glass window opposite his fireplace, looking out at his garden in the sunset. He is so absorbed by the view of the outside world that he fails to visualize the interior of the room at all. As it becomes darker outside, however, images of the objects in the room behind him can be seen reflected dimly in the window glass. For a time he may see either the garden (if he gazes into the distance) or the reflection of the room's interior (if he focuses on the glass a few inches from his face). Night falls, but the fire still burns brightly in the fireplace and illuminates the room. The watcher now sees in the glass a vivid reflection of the interior of the room behind him, which appears to be outside the window. This illusion becomes dimmer as the fire dies down, and, finally, when it is dark both outside and within, nothing more is seen. If the fire flares up from time to time, the visions in the glass reappear.

Maybe this just happened inside your head? Look inside yourself. What is it that you want? Do you want to be ruled by the sun? Is the sun a dictator (from your experience he's definitely an ant-crushing bully) or a giver of life? Maybe both? Would you worship a dictator if he gave you life?

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Unsaved, hi

If what happened as I described it had taken place in my head I would not have written this thread. I had offended God and he revealed himself through the sun. That is, God used the sun as his tool to reach me here on the physical plane. It is because I offended him that he called me an ant. But instead of crushing me as he had threatened to do he chose to have mercy on me at the last moment. It is so easy to rubbish me rather than to actually believe me. I have related the truth as it happened, if you can't handle that then move on but is it necessary to infer that I am a head-case? Frankly on reading your post you come across to me as someone who knows very little about anything. As for the quote from Sagan it sounds to me like he was self-absorbed in nonsense and thought he was being clever.

Originally posted by Partygirl
reply to post by Juran

 

OP thank you for sharing your story. I was rivited and it made me shiver when you described the sun and the thumb.

What I am interested in is "its just me." I understand when you said it, there was no rational reason or maybe at least you didn't know it..the words just came, right? In the time since then, have you come to any deeper understanding of what "It's just me" means? How do you understand that phrase for yourself?

edit on 20-7-2011 by Partygirl because: (no reason given)

Hi Partygirl,

I have pondered this of course. I don't think there was anything else I could have said really. I mean what does one say to God in a situation like that. My mind was frozen, I was not capable of forming words consciously, it was a sponteneous reaction taken at the very last moment because there was nothing else I could do except say something. I suspect that it was the fact that I did say some thing, not so much what I said, that swayed God to show me mercy. I could be wrong though.

reply to post by Juran

Criticism I welcome but I have yet to read anything from you that actually makes coherent sense.

You should be banned.

reply to post by Juran


interesting post, God put you in your place. I'm not trying to be negative. try your next approach in a different fashion. He is calling us all back to Him. my take is He didn;t like the attitude in which you used to contact Him.
I did it a very different way. some years back I laid down for a nap one afternoon when it was very quiet. I repeated over and over "peace and love". I went into a dream state which morphed into an out of body exp., I found myself in a out of doors area with large rocks and scrubby trees, there was water running thru the rocks, I could feel it on my feet. then as I walked along a male figure appeared in front of me, could only see him from behind, I followed and came to a stone wall, I crossed over and found myself in the tunnel so often described in the near death exp.. I looked to the end and saw the light and said "our Dear Lord", then I got scared and with drew back into my body.
following this exp. the visions and visitations began and have never stopped. Mary has come to me with a message, I wont go into it .shown a large modern city sunk under the ocean, thousands of people all standing there, told they were all dead. there are too many visions to mention here and I have had to deal with Evil on a regular basis. Once after one of my pups was murdered by a meth addict, who I was ready to kill and didn't, God himself came to me when I rested, He told me I am a Blessed and honored son and that I was to nothing about my pup, it was already taken care of,(a time later I was shown, vision, this person dead), He told to tell as many people how I made my connection, they would learn how to do what I had done, many would be brought to Him this way. also He said that there is going to be a civil war in this country and millions would die in this conflict, my part in all of this is not impt. in this message. I hope you read this and try to make your connection
this is what was spoken of in the sermon on the mount. the kingdom of heaven is within us! or the path to God is inside us. I'm well educated in hard science and adv. mathematics, if I can do this so can you. it does help if when you try that you are in an area which is close to nature and higher in elevation. the vail between our physical dimension and God's spiritual dimension is thinner in these places, denser in developed ones. best of luck!

reply to post by Zamini


p off

reply to post by skydog801


Yes, why don't you go sit in a corner and hallucinate about a big man in the sky and leave me alone yeh :-)

Sounds like something my uncle described to me once. Back in '76 when he was on the second day of an '___' bender. Just saying.

reply to post by Juran


That was *not* God. You are not an ant to the Father, a Father would not look upon his children as such. There is a disturbing line of thought running through certain branches of Protestantism, that supports this idea that God is disgusted by people and hates them and that Yahshuah came to die the death we all deserve. This ideology stems from the western understanding of the atonement (see my thread on the atonement: www.abovetopsecret.com...) and from a very influential sermon given by Johnathan Edwards called "In the Hands of an Angry God". This is unbiblical and a slight on the character of God which makes him a "capricious malevolent bully" (as a certain obnoxious atheist with a surface western understanding of God, often says) that is totally in opposition to the Bible.

16"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

God sent his son so that the bridge between man and God, destroyed by sin (which brought about death) could be restored

John 1:47 Jesus saw Nathanael coming toward Him, and said of him, “Behold, an Israelite indeed, in whom is no deceit!” 48 Nathanael said to Him, “How do You know me?” Jesus answered and said to him, “Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you.” 49 Nathanael answered and said to Him, “Rabbi, You are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!” 50 Jesus answered and said to him, “Because I said to you, ‘I saw you under the fig tree,’ do you believe? You will see greater things than these.” 51 And He said to him, “Most assuredly, I say to you, hereafter[j] you shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of Man.

Furthermore, God's wrath is corrective, "he does not desire the death of a sinner", but will punish to chastise Israel as a whole to return to him

Matthew 23:37 “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! 38 See! Your house is left to you desolate; 39 for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the LORD!’”

"Satan may appear as an angel of light" and may "work many signs and wonders". How did you feel under the thumb of whatever this presence was? Did you feel close to God or distant? Did it feel as though a ladder had been lowered at that moment or that there was an impassible gulf between you and your Heavenly Father. Fast and pray hard, open your heart to God and do His will, and remember above all things "God is love", if you do not feel this, it is of the evil one.

reply to post by kallisti36



Kallisti36, hi

Yes God is love, if he wasn't he would not have shown mercy towards me. I assure you it WAS god. I had offended him and he let me know it. I had approached God uninvited and he in turn put me in my place by calling me an ant and threatening to press me into the ground. He showed mercy towards me but he did not let me go unpunished. God's punishment ran for 25 years! And it was thorough. To say I learnt my lesson would be understating. Now, as a result of all this I have a very close relationship with God. I am still an ant but I am HIS ant and as such he protects and helps me but most of all he reveals things to me. This is what God likes doing best, revealing things to the individuals that he has taken under his wing. I can't tell you how blessed and grateful I am. I belong to God now, totally.