ELEnin Disinformation Coverup by NASA Now Apparent

On July 6th, 2011, I posted this thread with proof the ELEnin comet was an Extinction Level Event.

One of the points in the OP refered to the Orbit Diagram of ELEnin in JPL's Small-Body Database browser which showed suspicious CORNERS in the line depicting the path of the ELEnin comet. I pointed out that it looked like they had just hard coded the corners in to give it the path that they wanted everyone to see as opposed to what the automated system in the database would have created. And I took a screen shot of it, here is the same image that was shown in the other thread ...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/50e261524966.png[/atsimg]
Well, that thread was quite popular and hit the headlines of ATS for between 3 and 5 days, so I ask YOU do ATS headlines get enough traffic that NASA could have noticed this ???

THEN I NOTICED ABOUT 5 TO 7 DAYS AGO THEY FIXED IT !!!!!!

That means that the fix showed up around July 11 and my thread in ATS headlines would have given the article high visibility July 8th to the 11th, A DIRECT RESPONSE FROM JPL to my thread.

Here is how it looks now, a nice smooth line showing comet ELEnin's path ...

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/a31a56ef7767.png[/atsimg]
So WHAT does this mean, WHY would they react in this way, consider the possibilities ?

1. It is a message, thus the very concise timing of the response, the GOOD guys inside JPL/NASA want to get the word out but they do not want to get fired. So they sent us this message, YOUR THREAD IS CORRECT, is the message.

2. Elenin is just an ordinary comet and they thought things were getting out of hand so they fixed it and posted it right away. NASA is very politically savvy or at least they try to be and want to pretend that they are, when in fact the screw things up a LOT politically, so they would have waited for things to calm down before posting the fix, doing so quickly just stirs up the controversy. If they just don't care, WHY WOULD THEY FIX IT ? If a LIE makes us prepare, from their point of view THAT IS A GOOD THING after all they just told ALL OF THEIR EMPLOYEES TO PREPARE for something ??? If they did NOT CARE but are concerned technically about the appearance of being SLOPPY, WHY WOULD THEY FIX IT SOO QUICKLY ? I would have expected it to be fixed in a few days and then tested for a week or two, and then posted ?

3. They are very nervous at NASA because they KNOW WHAT IS COMING, ELEnin is extinction, but they DO NOT want it to get out because they think THEIR chances of survival drop drastically if everyone knows about it. So they have been watching the press and saw the article early on and fixed it as quickly as possible, they panicked by posting it so soon and were hoping we would not notice the change.

4. They want to stir up the pot ! They want to bring the REBELS out of the wood work, and get them thrown into jail. And that is ALL that these many conspiracy theories are, just lies from the TPTB trying to tweek the little guys out as much as possible so they can get the authorities to dispose of them. In other words ATS and others like Alex Jones are flytraps for terrorists and they want to cause riots like they have in other countries.

This one just does not work at all because the response to ELEnin is to store food and water and put on lead foil hats on !!! Also it is NOT working at all, and if people do go to jail, the jails will release them because the states have run out of money. If ELEnin turns out to be a DUD, WHAT WOULD ANYONE FEAR AFTER THAT ???

I find possibilities number 1 and 3 to be the most plausible which means NIBIRU IS NEARYOU !!!


Now I have had two threads previously on ELEnin subtopics and there were some very intelligent responses and helpful comments, but there are also these people who troll the thread and tell each other they have debunked it when in-fact they never even get the points of the OP. In my previous threads ALL of the serial debunkers were dummies !

So here I will give some helpful information for the many DEBUNKERS so that they can debunk in a way that might have some significance.

The main points above ARE:

1. The coincidence of the timing of the fix and my thread pointing out the bug in JPL/NASA's database on ATS, is SUPREMELY SUSPICIOUS indicating a coverup of what ELEnin really is and what its true path is ?

2. WHY did they fix it soo quickly ?

3. Now, IT IS FIXED, so why did they leave it BROKEN for so long ?

4. WHY SHOULD WE TRUST THIS DATA NOW THAT WE KNOW THEY ARE TRYING TO GET US TO BUY INTO IT BY FIXING IT ???

The UNENDING LOGICAL ERRORS OF THE DEBUNKERS ...

IMBT: Someone analyzed some data and published an article, IT IS IN PRINT, therefore IT MUST BE TRUE.

Scientists publish articles of all kinds based on data and draw conclusions, many lay people read the articles and insist that it must be true. Then the same scientists say they now have better data and generate NEW articles with drastically different conclusions, lay people read this and insist that the conclusions MUST BE TRUE !

Scientists get paid to publish, PUBLISH OR PARISH ! The more they can change and twist their conclusions the more articles they can generate, the more funding they get.

Now there is one guy that is a SERIAL DEBUNKER and he just fabricates his debunks, one day he found a street named Elenin in Bulgaria, the next day he says there is a CITY in Bulgaria named after Elenin.

DOFDTW: Debunkers often fabricate data to win !!!

Then there is the BIGGEST debunking tactic of ALL, the debunker alters a point of the OP to fit some data that he finds that proves his point and he never understood the OP to start with so as far as he knows, he THINKS, he really did debunk it, but he just misunderstood.

DTM: Debunking through misunderstanding.

The most important point of all that most debunkers REFUSE TO RECOGNIZE is that our news is censored, this was admitted and STATED during the Gulf Oil Spill, and so called OPEN DATA maybe OMITTED, ALTERED, or FAKED -- LIES !!! And most OPs make this accusation in a roundabout way.

Then the debunker posts MANY articles from differing sources, ALL BASED ON ONE SET OF DATA, it is still false no matter how many articles cite the false data, and this happens all the time, most of our data is fuzzy or off, and the many articles often silently debate what is really correct, or the data is TOTALLY WRONG, or a LIE !

MFINT: Multiple FALSEHOODS is NOT TRUTH !

WBIIMBT: Then there is the basic, it is a popular belief DEBUNK, WE BELIEVE IT, IT MUST BE TRUE !

That is an EASY fallacy, MOST popular beliefs are TOTALLY FALSE and history proves this endlessly. Take the Y2K disaster for example, most everyone thinks it was a scam, yet NO ONE can point to the scammers that made their fortune off of it. That is because it was a REAL PROBLEM and we fixed it right before the disaster would have occurred.




P.S. Paul called me and told me he had read my thread, and said it WAS Nibiru that caused them to break up.

maybe their data was incomplete, and they got more/new numbers??

keep up the good work

Awesome.. I have been following your threads and I have enjoyed your work. Although its going to derailed pretty fast. I look forward to your conclusions. Peace

reply to post by MACchine


interesting,

but hearsay...

get ready for some "detractors"...

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BUT still good work, keeping TPTB on notice...

seeya

What i would really want to know is were our moon will be on Oct 17 or 18. I think it may smash into the moon.

and someone else thought the same thing here

www.abovetopsecret.com...

More observations have been made and data submitted so a more accurate orbit can be plotted. Jeez, all the information, equipment and software is publicly available to carry out your OWN observations and calculate the orbit yourself. If you're clever enough, you don't even need the software for the orbital calculations! Strangely, this is exactly what hundreds if not thousands of people around the world ARE doing. Which is why these 'NASA is covering up Elenin' threads are so ridiculous.
If you people spent half the effort on writing the crap on actually learning and went out there and gathered your own data for analysis you could see it for yourself. Dimwits!

I don't know, I have no idea. I'm ready to "jump out of life" if you know what i'm saying. I don't know what this is or what's going on, do I prepare or is it just a comet ? I am so tired

Here you go genius, get to work:

adams.dm.unipi.it...

www.astrometrica.at...

www.celestron.com...

www.telescopehouse.com...

Is it really all that far fetched to believe that they just fixed a little mistake because someone actually noticed it? Seems the simplest answer to me. Awful lot of unwarranted self importance IMO.

reply to post by MACchine


The AU distance has been lowered in the second picture, so of course its going to look different, the comet is still too far away to have accurate data, hell we can barely see the thing, but one thing is for sure WE WILL NOT DIE from this...

reply to post by MACchine


I just have a sneaking suspicion that there really isn't going to be an extinction level event by a astronomical phenomenon...

I know a lot of you are fiending for some type of apocalyptic show to go out in, to make your lives more, fulfilled?

Well, let me tell you this to tantalize your fear buds. Potential impact site?




Of course, if this comet were indeed on a course for Earth, I'm sure by the powers of infinite manifestation, we will be just fine.

Besides, consider how much your attention is being diverted, considering this "Comet" may really not be a threat at all. Although it's going to be very hard for some of you to step outside the "it's inevitable" box because of the thoughts you have already forged........



The kitties want to harvest.

The first diagram it seems was drawn with fewer data (i.e the trajectory was under sampled), Why NASA would allow an intern to make that plot is beyond me. But thanks for pointing that out.

Now is 2011 a doomsayer's festival?

First it was Harold camping and now Its elenin, I am going to laugh again at Rosh Chodesh in october drinking johnny walker

reply to post by MACchine


I've plotted the orbit, it is curved. I plotted it many months ago. I also noted that it seemed to make a banking turn, but that was down to apparent retrograde motion.

I have learnt things too.

What still cannot be disclaimed though is the coincidental earthquakes when Elenin has aligned with the Sun and Earth. 3 times this has happened.

All we have to go on for the time being is the next alignment of Elenin. Given the discovery of 'Magnetic ropes' throughout the solar system in relation to the sun, there can be no discounting some sort of 'new' relationship between this comet, the sun, and the earth.

the trajectories are still the same. it just that there was more data to make a better trajectory line now. however i really appreciate your enthusiasm.

my question to you is this...do you have a contingency plan if this all turns out to be a non-event?

Well, another thread on elenin with no conclusive evidence.. I will keep tracking these things.

Interesting thing I read on the astronomer's blog page about Elenin : he said that he is happy that this comet is getting many more people interested in astronomy which is a good thing. I agree, I've been staring up at the sky a lot more since I started researching into this stuff.

This is probably nothing special but whilst I have been watching the sky, I noticed that last week on Saturday, Sunday and Monday, the Moon was fully visible all day and night long.. much brighter than I've seen in ages.. I assumed a full moon of cause...

I'm in Australia btw.if this helps at all to clarify my observation : thing is.. right through till last night, the moon is still a full moon.. I can't see it tonight due to all the cloud cover at the moment :s but just wondering if this is normal for the moon to remain full for more than 7 days straight? I thought perhaps it's catching some extra reflected light or something .. IDK just an interesting observation (or probably not that interesting but yeah

Elenin will not do anything to Earth.. Neither will Nibiru..

Have a look see.





I don't think this is what we should be focusing on anymore. As far as I'm concerned it is nothing more than a distraction, not created by the government, but by paranoid minds. I do think astronomical science plays apart in their plan, actually I'm quite sure it does, but it's not a killer space rock.

We should try and focus on what is going to happen to this global market and the fall of great modern empires. That's the real $#%+ that's going to hit the fan. All the natural disasters that is happening, I doubt it is the cause of Elenin or Nibiru. There is another reason that could be just as important as the financial crisis.

reply to post by xacto


Your post which includes an off topic "impact site" is disturbing as well as your word "harvest".
Care to elaborate or should we see it as a threat?

9/11 is hugely important to this dark force trying to take over the world (which as many of know won't be successful). ELENIN (9 11 backwards), with it's closest approach to the sun on 9/11/11, is hugely significant to these minions so it no doubt means something.

We all know that they get off on their numerology, so I'm wondering if you are trying to do the same in your odd post?

the comet is still too far away to have accurate data

No, it isn't. The current orbital elements of C/2010 X1 Elenin are based on 2199 observations spanning a total of 209 days. That is easily enough information to allow the guys at JPL to calculate a very accurate trajectory over the next few years. In short, the comet will pass no closer to Earth than 0.23AU, and it sure as hell will not affect our planet in any way whatsoever.

Talk about a hugely-overblown sense of your own self-importance. JPL corrected Comet Elenin's orbital diagram because of your thread on ATS. Grandiose delusion right there.

This is idiotic.
To plot the trajectory of a body in space, a relatively small data set is needed. The rest of the data can be interpolated using mathematics. What you are describing as a body making sharp turns is actually just the curve plot at low resolution.