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Originally posted by Xcathdra
..........and with that, ill be back in the thread when results from the gun testing come out that links the gun to the kid and the crime scene. That should give you more than enough time to rethink your argument and get your facts straight.
Originally posted by lifeform11
reply to post by berkeleygal
self inflicted fatal shot to the head? did i miss something? it does not look like he is bleeding from the head in the video and he appears to be consious. and a shell casing that did not come from the criminal?
Originally posted by hillynilly
Does it make ANY sense
for someone to run from the cops over
a 2 dollar ticket?
Not unless they had a warrant or a gun on them maybe.
Illegal fire arm in san fran, your going to prison....
edit on 21-7-2011 by hillynilly because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SFA437
Originally posted by lifeform11
reply to post by berkeleygal
self inflicted fatal shot to the head? did i miss something? it does not look like he is bleeding from the head in the video and he appears to be consious. and a shell casing that did not come from the criminal?
The .380 ACP is a pipsqueak round, especially if it's a FMJ round. The suspect also didn't die on the scene but several hours later in the hospital (can't remember if it was on the table or after surgery).
The .45 casing is tossing up a red flag for me although given the neighborhood from what people who have lived there have said an unrelated shell casing wouldn't be out of the ordinary.
The video showing the gun on the ground reveals the weapon to be a small caliber "junk gun" that can be purchased for 50-65 bucks legally and for around 200 bucks on the street which makes more sense considering the suspects background.
As for being conscious I've seen a Kurd take 3 AK rounds from 5m in the face and not only did he live he recuperated to the point of functionality so hard wounds are not immediately fatal in all instances.
Originally posted by hillynilly
Does it make ANY sense
for someone to run from the cops over
a 2 dollar ticket?
Not unless they had a warrant or a gun on them maybe.
Illegal fire arm in san fran, your going to prison....
edit on 21-7-2011 by hillynilly because: (no reason given)
He was out of state while being on parole from charges emanating from child rape, kidnapping and child prostituion and apparently carrying a firearm in violation of not only his parole but also federal law in regard to felon in possession of a firearm as well as fleeing 4 warrants for two counts of murder and 3 of attempted murder.edit on 21-7-2011 by SFA437 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by SFA437
Originally posted by BeyondPerception
I think you're forgetting that I'm not just pulling numbers out of my ass. My numbers are fact. They are rough estimates, but fact.
So you are saying you either know someone on SFPD or conducted your own canvass of the neighborhood to come up the 2% versus 98% ratio?
Originally posted by SFA437
Originally posted by BeyondPerception
Thank you for clarifying to me, and every one else, just how pathetically slanted your viewpoint is. Cheers!
And thank you for clarifying how slanted yours is. If there is a house of skinheads in the neighborhood and a black guy gets beat up by guys in boots & braces and called a ni**er you don't go looking for another brother.
Past history is indicative of future behavior.
Originally posted by SFA437
Originally posted by BeyondPerception
My point was that it's not everyday behavior, not an impossibility.
You stated you were unaware that people do not check in with POs prior to fleeing or committing crimes. Now you are aware that they do. Most people when they state they are not aware of something either wish to be educated on the subject or are just blowing smoke up someone else's ass.
Originally posted by SFA437
Originally posted by BeyondPerception
What is this, Assumption Inception? Making an assumption, based on another assumption. Go on.
Not really an assumption but a life lesson. I know if I put a ball through my neighbors window my parents would hear about it and I would beat feet- not that it did me any good as I had to come home at some point
If I were to murder one person and shoot three others who were familiar with me I would make myself scarce. If I was stopped by the cops afterwards I'd run my skinny ass off.
Originally posted by SFA437
I am assuming the sun will rise in the east tomorrow. Does this mean that the prior history of the sun rising in the east has no bearing on future performance or is taking into account the behavior of the solar system for it's entire observable existence lead one to make the assumption with relative certainty of outcome?
Originally posted by SFA437
Originally posted by BeyondPerception
All you had to say was 'He also knew he was in violation of his parole'.. Why must you continue rambling with sensationalism?
Because you attempted to downplay his viciousness and evil that he spread everywhere he went. Also it is not sensationalism- it is fact.
Originally posted by SFA437
Originally posted by BeyondPerception
And my question was, how do we know he was wanted for questioning, in that particular case, since there was no proof of contact reported anywhere.
Once again- If I were to murder one person and shoot three others who were familiar with me I would make myself scarce.
Originally posted by SFA437
I've let guys go who had coc aine on them, guys who were part of a burglary ring operating in my town and numerous others- right on the side of the road- if they agreed to cooperate.
Originally posted by BeyondPerception
No idea what you're on about here. You have completely taken my statement out of context.
Originally posted by SFA437
Then again I believe even if someone had video of the rapist shooting at the cops you'd say the whole thing was staged by the police and the guy shooting wasn't really the suspect
Originally posted by SFA437
Been enjoying the debate BTW. Seriously- I mean it, Keeps my brain exercised
Originally posted by BeyondPerception
Media reports have police claim they went to a house and seized a weapon using only the video as evidence in which they claim to have made concluded probable cause to do so. Judging by contents of the video in question, this tells us they did not have enough information to seek out a specific person, nor enough evidence to realistically attain a search warrant in such a short period of time, nor enough dirt on someone to convince them to hand a gun over.
Originally posted by SFA437
This whole .380 self inflicted shot to the head just tossed a monkey wrench into the whole thing for both sides though. Thinking so hard about that one that my brain hurts because there is no way if he shot himself for the weapon to wind up where it did in the video.
Police were unable to find a firearm at the scene, but video taken by a bystander showed that a man in a striped, hooded sweatshirt removed a silver gun lying off to the side of where Harding lay face down, according to the San Francisco Chronicle.
Earlier this week, police said that a similar gun was located in the Bayview home of a parolee, but that police were still actively seeking the man in the hoodie. seattletimes.nwsource.com...
Two police cops shot Kenneth Harding, a 19-year-old black boy from Seattle, five times and killed him while conducting a Muni bus fare inspection in the Bayview, San Francisco, a video footage of the incident on INFOWARS website shows.
The teenager death has sparked outrage among the local people, who point the finger of blame at police officers, stressing that the victim was an unarmed civilian.
Harding had allegedly refused to pay bus fare and tried to flee from the cops. The footage shows the scene of a black boy lying on the street and bleeding, while the police officers refuse to let anyone near him for help.
Statistics published by the Stolen Lives Project estimate that the number of cases in the United States relating to police brutality has reached thousands.
Most of the American people who suffer abuse from the police do not report the case. Those who do file complaints find that police departments tend to be self-protective and that the public tends to side with the police.
In 2010, there were at least 2,541 reports of misconduct by the US police.
Originally posted by SFA437
Originally posted by berkeleygal
SFPD Says Man Killed In Bayview Shot Himself
SAN FRANCISCO (CBS SF) – A man who was thought to have died from an officer-involved shooting in San Francisco last weekend appears instead to have been killed by a self-inflicted gunshot wound, investigators revealed Thursday.
sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com...
Video in article.
I saw this earlier on the local news. Seems the bullet taken from the fatal wound to his head does not match police bullets.
Seems my earlier assertion that the firearm was a POS of Bryco/Jennings/Raven manufacture was correct. The one I saw in the video was WAY too small to be a .45. The junk gun also fits in with the subjects history as they're referred to as 7-11 Specials for a reason
Now the question is raised where did the .45 shell casing come from?