Herman Cain: Communities have right to ban mosques

reply to post by Painterz


It's simply more of the same. Historically we have always had some boogie man in which to justify our wars against.

Previously it was all about Communism and now it's currently Terrorism.
And the fear that all Muslims are considered as potentially dangerous Terrorists these days.



These Bought and paid for Zionist politicians like Cain, are being paid to promote this anti Islamic sentiment to continue and perpetuate the Zionist funded fear based .....

"War on Terror"

The United States of America was founded on the principles of religious freedom.

And Constitutionally a house of worship of which a mosque categorically falls under, should be allowed.
If they were to break the "law", then so be it. They should face prosecution as any other American would.

What next ?
Muslim Reservations and more segregation ala Jim Crow as was carried out against the Native Americans and African Americans ?

But it's much easier to go after a group of people based upon their religion and man the lynch mob instilling hatred against them instead.

What is so sad is that the real terrorists are actually those that control the money and have subsequently bankrupted our nation as Andrew Jackson had so vehemently fought against AND had warned us of 200 years ago.

Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by SaturnFX
He isn't supporting anything beyond free speech.

So if a group of Nazis said they wanted to kill anyone who left their group, kill homosexuals, stone women to death for adultery and marry children, that would just be freedom of speech?

I see.

Yes

And we have nazi groups in america, and the kkk, and a whole bunch of other savory groups..and they can start their club houses and all sorts.

Speech is protected, direct threats to a individual isn't

Protected: The only good _____ person is a dead _____ person!
Not: Kill John Doe at midnight tuesday with a gun in his home.

reply to post by nh_ee

These Bought and paid for Zionist politicians like Cain, are being paid to promote this anti Islamic sentiment to continue and perpetuate the Zionist funded fear based .....

Yeah, but you don't have any biases?

At least the zionists don't raise their children to believe that women are inferior. Just because it is a religion doesn't make what they practice acceptable. Islam is an invading force, and we need special laws to shutdown their agenda.

Incidently, I want to express my opinion
I am not fighting for the concepts of muslims in america...frankly, I find their religion as silly as the rest and am not blind to the motivations of some...sure, the overall arch is for them to take over america, have america part of islam, etc.

I am saying in order to make sure that never happens, the rest of the religions will have to swallow an equal bitter pill...and they should.. Things must remain equal in america...so, it is time to discuss with your politicians your fears, but also the plan to make sure that doesn't happen..

Equality in the removal of religion from politics..all religion, no exceptions. Take it off of the money, forbid it in schools, clamp down on religious structures within certain zones, etc...if its done equally, then it is perfectly fine....you cannot target one religion, it must be all or none sort of thing.

Until a discussion by theists on how to remove further religious influences from government is had, then this is simply spinning the wheels and going nowhere. If you care about your country, way of life, and want your religion to be the most influencial religion over your offspring, then you have to assure the government cannot and will never influence any part of it...

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by nh_ee

 

These Bought and paid for Zionist politicians like Cain, are being paid to promote this anti Islamic sentiment to continue and perpetuate the Zionist funded fear based .....

Yeah, but you don't have any biases?

At least the zionists don't raise their children to believe that women are inferior. Just because it is a religion doesn't make what they practice acceptable. Islam is an invading force, and we need special laws to shutdown their agenda.

Religion in general is an invading force trying to corrupt the understanding and sciences of the nation, and force people back into fear based worship (as usual)..and we need special laws to shut down all religious institutions agenda.

I actually do believe this...really, not just trying to show a parallel here...I very much deem all structured religions (especially western and middle eastern...god of abraham based) to be an invader of the human condition and a horrible invention that supresses society.

Would you agree that laws should be enacted to shut down religion in America?

If Islam were just another private belief system, then yes your complaints would be justified - but supposing it was a complete social religious political package - that disguised itself as moderate in order to use your tolerance and freedoms in order to dominate your entire society.

But is the real Islam indeed a peaceful religion? Are people such as Geert Wilders, Robert Spencer, and Dr. Ali Sina Islam bashers? Is the real Islam completely innocent of all the charges liberty-honoring civilized people level against it? Read what Hamid Hafez, a former jihadist himself, has to say about Islam.

Tragically, over the years, media pundits, leftist academics, and politicians have constructed a formidable alliance that successfully keeps both the Cultural Muslims as well as the non-Muslim general public in a slumber of complacency.
All along, the campaign of the jihadists has been moving forward. On the one hand are the well-financed Islamists with their hordes of simpletons who are ready to die for the cause. The horrific acts of these villains are daily occurrences in places such as Iraq, Afghanistan, Darfur, and Pakistan. On the other hand are the people of the free world who are lulled into the complacency they seek and lack the will to confront the deadly danger of Islamism.
The Cultural Muslims hold the balance of power in their hands. They are not active jihadists. Yet, they knowingly or unknowingly, constitute the most vital support for the Islamists. It is this majority that projects an image of normalcy and even tolerance of others while supplying funds as well as foot-soldiers to the work of the Islamists.

Islamic apologists often point to Muslim communities in non-Muslim lands as peaceful religious communities like any other and deny that these Muslims pose any threat to the way of life of the free people. Yet, the facts convincingly argue against this fraudulent contention because, when the jihadists gather enough local strength, the Cultural Muslims like docile sheep will submit to the rule of their co-religionist killers. This is not a hypothetical prognostication. The capitulation of the Cultural Muslims has already played out in many parts of European towns and cities.

www.islam-watch.org...

As for communist bogey men - consider this:

In 1972, the Kremlin decided to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the U.S. As KGB chairman Yuri Andropov told me, a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. In the quote above, Gen. Ion Mihai Pacepa, head of the DIE, the KGB's little sister in communist Romania, reveals a conversation he had with chairman Andropov, the Soviet leader. "We needed to instill a Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world," Andropov told Pacepa, "and to turn this weapon of the emotions into a terrorist bloodbath against Israel and its main supporter, the United States. No one within the American/Zionist sphere of influence should any longer feel safe."

findarticles.com...


The Progressive left has mere found in Islam another usefull tool to dismantle the West with - since when have progressives ever been 'tolerant' of anything!?

Only one in five Americans approve of the federal court order under which workers removed the Ten Commandments monument from the rotunda of Alabama's state judicial building Wednesday, according to a new poll.

The new CNN-USA Today-Gallup poll found 77 percent of the 1,009 Americans interviewed earlier this week disapproved of U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson's order to remove the monument.

Thompson ruled that Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore's placement of the 2.6-ton granite monument in the state building two years ago violated the U.S. Constitution's principle of separation of religion and government.

Thank god for a intelligent judge (pun)
Now, 77% of those polled are idiots

Imagine in a not too distant future this article is not saying the 10 commandments, but the tenants of sharia law...suddenly its a outrage and a invading force.

Its the same bloody thing...religion must remain outside of court...they are equal invading forces..always has been. If you want a theocracy, go elsewhere..if you want a secular society where you can practice any goofy religion on earth, or no religion, and never have to deal with any given religion's ideals imposed on society, locally or otherwise, then this is theoretically the place.

Atheists and christians should be working together to make sure that religion is both respected as a whole in society, but also pushed as far away as possible from governmental influence. remove merry christmas and in place put happy holidays. remove in god we trust on the money and replace it with "wealth is wisdom" or some other type neutral message. Remove under god in the pledge and perhaps just slap a "with belief" (after all, everyone has some sort of belief or driving factor in life...be it god, or in themselves, etc)

reply to post by SaturnFX


And look at how people react to neo Nazis and the KKK.

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

The Muslims teach hatred against non-Muslims, why should we treat them the same as the Nazis and the KKK?

Is there such a thing as a moderate NAZI?

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
The Progressive left has mere found in Islam another usefull tool to dismantle the West with - since when have progressives ever been 'tolerant' of anything!?

Since forever
Thats sort of our key signature...we tolerate all sorts of crap.

Islam can be whatever it wants to be...a religion, a philosophy, a cooking class, etc...point is, its protected under freedom of speech, and freedom of religion.

Many religions have a political side to it...and you know what, beyond philosophy and how a person acts in their home, it means absolutely nothing...the government is not affected by religions doctrain on how to live. Christianity is all about modest living as a rule..you don't see the wacky west with its entrenched christians enforcing we all live like the amish
There is the 10 commandments and even demands that if you become too sinning, the entire city/country will be smote...yet our legal system forbids christianity from imposing its theocratic biblical demands on law.

Islam can have all sorts of political structure and way of life teaching in there...it doesn't matter...its protected..now, acting out on something against the law will get them arrested like anyone else. If they decide to honor kill someone for having premarital sex, guess what, those people involved will be spending time in the pokey. crime is still crime.

The left see's this for what it is...one group of bigots trying to get legislation enacted to clamp down on a different group of bigots...the left is saying..no, both bigots have their right to talk their nonsense...only when they act against the law is when legal action required against individuals breaking it.

You can call it tolerance towards the minority, sure...or intolerance against the majority...I look at it as seeing the constitutional reality of the situation.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

And look at how people react to neo Nazis and the KKK.

www.youtube.com...

www.youtube.com...

The Muslims teach hatred against non-Muslims, why should we treat them the same as the Nazis and the KKK?

Because first off...
The more you try to shut a person up, the more powerful their words are to the people. You think the sudden spike in islam in the west is due to immigration only? hell no..people in the west are converting mostly because they percieve islam itself is under attack...and a bunch of backwoods rednecks slamming down islam only makes the intriguing to those whom don't feel the lynch mob mentality.
Christianity's strongest moments were when governments were trying to shut them down...even crusifying and tossing them into lions dens...
Supression will only make them far more popular. Accepting them, fighting for their rights, but ultimately dismissing them as just silly is far more effective in dismantling a foundation...see: scientology...totally protected, and laughed at...and so they wane

Its free speech...I know plenty a christians teaching hate against things not christians...the westboro baptist church is a familiar example because they are famous...but there are many, many sects like them. they are an example of a mindset...and their speech is protected.
You know why they are so famous? because they are given special treatment...because local laws are often passed to try and stop them, and so they grow in popularity.

Sure, try to rezone and eliminate islam...and watch the efforts work like the manure it is to make the plant flourish under it...watch as people see the government attacking a religion and how it spreads...people love siding with the underdog...so sure..go ahead...drop your fertilizer bomb all over islam...it worked for the romans supressing christianity

Originally posted by BaruchHabaBshemAdonai
reply to post by poet1b

 

They Ban ALL NON MUSLIMS from mecca. It is a CRIME to be in Mecca being a NON MUSLIM.www.wnd.com...

edit on 18-7-2011 by BaruchHabaBshemAdonai because: Wanted to add pic.

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How many times is World News Daily going to be cited as they are not to be trusted.

There is no law banning non Muslim's at Mecca as all who are interested in learning about Islam is not only encouraged but welcomed with open arms. This ruling comes directly from The House Of Saud, The Saudi Royal Family for those who do not know what The House of Saud is.

reply to post by SaturnFX


I think you have answered your own question.

Yes, we have laws that restrict the actions of organized religion, with Islam, we need more laws to eliminate the nefarious ways Islam goes about establishing itself politically.

While Islam identifies itself as a religion, to me, it is every bit as bigoted as Nazism, and deserves no more respect.

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
The Progressive left has mere found in Islam another usefull tool to dismantle the West with - since when have progressives ever been 'tolerant' of anything!?

Since forever
Thats sort of our key signature...we tolerate all sorts of crap.



Progressives ha ha! - the original eugenicists! - but then they got a bad name through being associated with the Nazis and decided to call themselves liberals so they could 'tolerate' everything destructive to society - and on the other hand, pose as though they existed on a higher moral plane whist screaming racist, sexist, bigot, hatemonger, war-monger, homephobe at all the commonsense ideas they found 'intolerable'

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

I think you have answered your own question.

Yes, we have laws that restrict the actions of organized religion, with Islam, we need more laws to eliminate the nefarious ways Islam goes about establishing itself politically.

While Islam identifies itself as a religion, to me, it is every bit as bigoted as Nazism, and deserves no more respect.

I watched that second video.
What I seen is some picketters and a redneck facist egging them on

Both are in their rights...

But then the picketters pushed and threw punches at him. To me, the animals are the ones that chose violence...funny that, to me, I would have joined that mob, but to defend the redneck idiot...because he simply expressing is opinions...the rest are smashing him.

See, that action made me side with the person not throwing punches and pushing...the message was completely twisted. well done.

I agree more laws restricting -religion- should be enacted...it must be equal though...all religions are dangerous when taken at a fundamental level...there can be no targetting of any specific religion, and never against freedom of speech.

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood

Progressives ha ha! - the original eugenicists! - but then they got a bad name through being associated with the Nazis and decided to call themselves liberals so they could 'tolerate' everything destructive to society - and on the other hand, pose as though they existed on a higher moral plane whist screaming racist, sexist, bigot, hatemonger, war-monger, homephobe at all the commonsense ideas they found 'intolerable'

Thanks Mr. Beck, nice to see your still around.

Now, lets consider that.

“Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power”
Benito Mussolini

Conservatives are fully in the tank in every single way with corporate entitys...they are the corporatists, they are the facists
and guess what hitler was

a little tidbit of info

Godwin's law (also known as Godwin's Rule of Nazi Analogies or Godwin's Law of Nazi Analogies)[1][2] is a humorous observation made by Mike Godwin in 1990[2] which has become an Internet adage. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1 (100%)."

Thanks for playing, you (and beck) are about as original as vanilla ice cream.

Incidently, I love how you suggest that them crazy progressives tolerate everything destructive in society, yet give no citation...or even what qualifies as destructive in a "free" society.

Total programming...your mind is a prison.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Except that Christianity was NOT spread by the sword, while Islam has been spread by the war and persecution. The Muslims primarily being the persecutors.

Islam is growing because they have such high birth rates, not by large large numbers of people converting. Most people find the religion repulsive.

Islams success is much more akin to Nazism than Christianity. They are not gaining fans, they are gaining enemies at a much higher rate. Islam will fail for the same reason Nazism failed.

It is quite the fateful twist that most of the worlds oil would be found in the Middle East. Now that those oil supplies have been used up, and the middle east has failed to develop any new from of industry, things are going to get very interesting.

reply to post by SaturnFX


Um, weren't you the one who brought Nazism into the discussion.

www.catb.org...

“As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.” There is a tradition in many groups that, once this occurs, that thread is over, and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically lost whatever argument was in progress. Godwin's Law thus practically guarantees the existence of an upper bound on thread length in those groups. However there is also a widely- recognized codicil that any intentional triggering of Godwin's Law in order to invoke its thread-ending effects will be unsuccessful.

That would make you the loser in this discussion.

Originally posted by poet1b
reply to post by SaturnFX

 

Except that Christianity was NOT spread by the sword, while Islam has been spread by the war and persecution. The Muslims primarily being the persecutors.

Lol...come on, I don't think even you believe that.

Ya, no bloodshed in christianity...been nothing but peace and love...hell, the crusades were actually just a bunch of knights planting flowers..the spanish inquisition was a cooking class...

heh, get real.

Islam is growing because they have such high birth rates, not by large large numbers of people converting. Most people find the religion repulsive.

Islam is growing rapidly because its core is in poor and uneducated countrys..and poor and uneducated people tend to breed...a lot.
so yes, I agree with you that the spreading of islam is not necessarily an accepted message reason, but rather a birthing reason.
How do you solve this?

Well, how do you curb the population of the people, and bring up the education of said people? That is the answer...not war, not sanctions, not denial...but rather education, and giving the common dirt digger a hopeful future...this is a recipe for total destruction of overbreeding and ignorant radicalism...so the conversation should be about that if we truely want to curb the growth of islam across the pond.
However, we are not the world police, nor the world scholars...We can however work on this country in those areas...if a muslim family comes here and remains poor/ignorant, they will do the same thing...breed a lot and be radical...if however they have access to advanced education, and are diversified in society to give them hope and ambition, you will quickly watch them turn to moderates, then perhaps just drop their religion all together due to its sheer silliness.

That is how to defeat the scary islamists in our country...not by denial, but rather by giving them 100 doors to open up along with the one they know.

Islams success is much more akin to Nazism than Christianity. They are not gaining fans, they are gaining enemies at a much higher rate. Islam will fail for the same reason Nazism failed.

I am actually bored of nazi'ism comparisons on the internet...its overdone and cliche' . Be originial...start comparing them to the mongols or something...

It is quite the fateful twist that most of the worlds oil would be found in the Middle East. Now that those oil supplies have been used up, and the middle east has failed to develop any new from of industry, things are going to get very interesting.

Once the actual facists die out (corporatists) and stop propping up big oil, then we will be able to solve our issues...but for now, we are just slaves to the giants. the boogiemen of islam are irrelevant...the actual boogiemen are people like BP, OPEC, etc...and the politicians that support their agenda.
You want to truely curb the radicalization of islam, investigate which politicians are in bed with big oil and get them in the target for regulation and criminal investigations.

That is the true issue here...not someone thinking women should wear a veil...thats just simptoms of the problem..

reply to post by SaturnFX


The Crusades and the Spanish Inquisition were events that hailed the end of Christianities domination of European culture. This current effort to spread Islam through insidious or violent means will most likely result in the same result. The early Christians in Roman times did not spread their beliefs through violence or insidious means.

First you painted early Christians as victims of persecution, and now you claim they spread by the sword, can't be both at the same time.

The way Islam works is to isolate themselves, and work to keep their communities protected from outside influence. You are right, the answer is to expose them to the advantages of liberty and modern thought. This is what they fight against. This is why we see so many honor killings.

The answer isn't to coddle them, and let them have their way, the answer is to get in their faces, and force them to see that their beliefs will not be tolerated in modern societies. The biggest goal of Islam is to keep their women locked up from the free world. Those high birth rates aren't because they are poor, it is because they see this as a way to conquer the western world.

I agree with you about the corporatist, and I think that the corporatists actually want to encourage Islam. Oil has given them great power, but that power is drying up quickly.

Giving people in the western world a chance to defend themselves is what needs to happen, and that means an end to political correctness.

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Well, how do you curb the population of the people, and bring up the education of said people? That is the answer...not war, not sanctions, not denial...but rather education, and giving the common dirt digger a hopeful future...this is a recipe for total destruction of overbreeding and ignorant radicalism...

I'm all for trying to curb the growth of the Muslim population but if education and hope is the key to cut down population growth and Islamic radicalism, how does Osama Bin Laden fit into that theory?

(1) Bin Laden was schooled in the elite Al Thagher Model School. The school combined British style secular education with daily Islamic worship.

(2) Bin Laden was worth about $50 million.

Yet he still had 19 children and was responsible for 9/11.

I have noticed that the left like to bang the drum that poverty and lack of education causes terrorism. Yet Osama Bin Laden disproves this.

Perhaps it is Islam that causes people to become Islamic terrorists.

Just a thought.