Herman Cain: Communities have right to ban mosques

He's willing to get rid of the personal freedoms of anyone who 'the community' (The State) doesn't like..

No one, not the community, nor the president has the right to restrict the personal freedom of others simply because of their religion. If you believe that they do then you have to also accept that you are giving the state (or whoever) the right to limit ANY part of your personal freedom which they don't like (for whatever reason).

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Not only are Muslims starting to take over entire streets to "pray", in Europe and even New York City (see YouTube links below), but the British experience has been this:

1) "We knew the time would arrive when these parasites would start to leave the inner cities that they've already destroyed and move in to the rural areas and so it begins. I grew up in West London and have seen first hand how these cockroaches move into an area an then proceed to decimate it, wiping out everything that went before. We need to fight this cancer and stop it spreading any further into our beautiful countryside. Our cities are temporarily lost to the invaders, at least until we have a Nationalist Government in power to reverse this evil colonisation or our land. Our people need to wake up fast and start to show some Bulldog spirit and fight for what is rightfully OURS, not next week or next year but now or we will all end up sleeping rough on the beaches as the last bit of our sacred soil falls to the enemy."


2) "The colonization is proceeding in a living cell like fashion. First come to a big city and open a Mosque. It then becomes a magnet for more Muslims to occupy property near the Mosque which is the center of their lives.

Then, when the population of that Mosque is too large, split the cell and build another Mosque further out to take some of the overflow. Keep repeating as you march right across the land in all directions with "daughter" Mosques and all the related and necessary Islamic businesses such as food marts, butchers, etc. Eventually, you connect up all the Mosques and you have an Islamic nation."



3) "It won't be long (It's happened in other areas) and they will be complaining about the church bells and will want them silencing. They will get them silenced.

Though there is no chance of them getting the imam calling them to prayer silenced. It only works one way and the immo always wins."



4) "There will be five prayer sessions a day and then there is the main event every Friday at 1300 when the moslem colonisers receive their orders for the coming week. The lane is going to be jammed with people in pyjamas.

Moslems move to where the mosques are, they then seek to drive out the residents by intimidation and as house values start to drop, the white flight begins and another area falls to the invaders."



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Originally posted by lifeissacred
No one, not the community, nor the president has the right to restrict the personal freedom of others simply because of their religion.

Well that is true if the religion is benign and doesn't infringe other people's rights.

Islam isn't benign. It has an agenda to dominate politcally and impose Sharia law.

“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant.

The Qu’ran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.”

—Omar Ahmed CAIR (Council for American Islamic Relations) Founding Chairman

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Comparing Westboro with Certain aspects of Islam is false IMO

So far I've only seen Westboro show up and protests soldier funerals and so on. haven't heard of violence, haven't heard them kill people over anything.

Sharia Law in America, would totally ruin everything that's been achieved so far in terms of human rights.

I believe there was a comparison made earlier about the ten commandments and sharia law.
its true. you don't follow the ten commandments, your left to be judged when you die. under sharia law, your stoned hanged, etc then and there.

10 Reasons why Sharia Law is bad for America

Basically I believe a mosque to be a place of warship/court. and the only thing I might agree with is the eye for an eye thing. only on random attacks and stuff though

In a way there is a fear towards Islam because the Bible warns of such issues concerning counterfiet versions of the faith, this includes other sects like JWs, Mormons and Scientologists, who use the cross symbol call it a church and deny Christ's identity.

So since we are living in troubled times and the Bible predicts and warns of such times and false religions people need to take note including Islam. Across the world Muslims are demanding Crosses and Christian symbols to be taken down and it only takes one to change the laws so you can not be reminded you are Christian.

There outlook is this towards the Christian and Jewish world and guess what the Bible predicts a similar anti-Christain system taking place. The Bible warns of a false version of Christ and prophet and this religion fits into this type while Armageddon and the war of Gog and Magog are all from Islamic Middle East nations unless somethig else takes up its place.

According to Islamic view, Isa (Jesus) son of Mary, was a prophet and messenger of God. It is believed that Jesus was not crucified; instead he was raised bodily. According to many hadith, he will return to Earth. At the time appointed by God, Jesus will physically return to this world and aid the Mahdi. According to some sects of Shia Islam, the Mahdi also descends. He will break the cross, kill the swine, slaughter the Dajjal and end all wars, ushering in an era of peace. The messianic era comes after Jesus kills ad-Dajjal, the false messiah antichrist figure in Islam, and defeats his followers.

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The beastQur'an tells about the beast of earth

" And when the Word is fulfilled against them (the unjust),
We shall produce from the earth a Beast to (face) them: he will speak to them, for that
"mankind did not believe with assurance in our Signs."
(Quran 27:82)
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The Bible warns about the Beast also.

So everything from this religion twists everything the Bible warns us about, so if the Bible is pure White then this is pure Black in opposite views. This is why knowledgable Christians may hold the panic button on this religion rather than Budhism or Hindu cultures in their country. The more you know the message and story of the Bible the more you know about Islam it is a like the Beast is moving in after all.

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So? It can only dominate politically if the majority want it to dominate politically. In that sense it is no different to any of the three major Abrahamic faiths, they all seek to impose dogma in one way or another.

Another important point to make is that Sharia law (with regards to family law etc and crime and punishment) in most cases does not contradict the US constitution.

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds


Your understanding of the American political system is severely flawed.There are numerous constraints on the will of the majority, otherwise we would ave mob rule.

Are you an American?

We are ruled by the mob, the NWO (aka the elite rich).

Originally posted by lifeissacred
Another important point to make is that Sharia law (with regards to family law etc and crime and punishment) in most cases does not contradict the US constitution.

Don't the Amish have their own "law" system?

As long as it doesn't involve those outside the faith or a capital crime?

Originally posted by lifeissacred
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So? It can only dominate politically if the majority want it to dominate politically. In that sense it is no different to any of the three major Abrahamic faiths, they all seek to impose dogma in one way or another.

Wrong !!! Ask the MAJORITY indigenous African people of Sudan why they had to fight for 50 years against the Arab Muslim invaders, whose relentless violent attacks only stopped when the southern half of the country seceded as an INDEPENDENT NATION OF SOUTH SUDAN, while the poor tribes like Nubians left in the North are being driven to the South, to make the North 100% Sharia Muslim.

Another important point to make is that Sharia laws (with regards to family law etc and crime and punishment) do not contradict the US constitution.

Wrong !!! The Eighth Amendment forbids the use of "CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENTS", so that's Sharia out for a start:

- chopping off the hands of Christian children for stealing fruit from a Muslim market stall (as in Sudan)

- throwing homosexuals off high buildings

- stoning people to death for adultery

- human sacrificial rituals of beheading

- judicially sanctioned rape of women whose male relatives have committed a crime

- arrest and imprisonment of Palestinian women by Hamas for laughing together on a Gaza beach

- religiously sanctioned murder, rape or enslavement of any non-Muslim man, woman or child


The list is so long that you'd better look it up yourself, which I sincerely hope you will do. Here's one more small thing, though: no Muslim can enter Paradise unless he has KILLED A NON-MUSLIM or been killed himself WHILE TRYING TO KILL A NON-MUSLIM.

So you see, Christianity and Judaism cannot compare with Islam for sheer barbaric savagery.

Originally posted by poet1b

Islam isn't a religion, it is an invading force masquerading as a religion.

We need to write new laws dealing with Islam, and its nefarious ways.

Things like honor killings, rapes of local girls, and forcing women to cover themselves should be treated like the criminal acts they are in full defiance of our beliefs and way of life. Mass numbers should be arrested, and mosque shut down when activities are found that aim to subvert local governments.

Either we take action or we will soon have the problems they are dealing with in Europe, India, Central Asia, Africa, and else where.

Everyone has the right to believe whatever the hell they want and who are you to say its bad

I dont know if u guys have realised it but to get whatever you want like the politics do...just use the magic word....TERROR...ahhh im shivering in my boots im soo soo so scared

Originally posted by ollncasino

Well that is true if the religion is benign and doesn't infringe other people's rights.

lots of religious groups want to infringe on other peoples rights, just look at any anti-gay groups or pro-life groups, they are full of christians wanting to infringe on other peoples rights.

Islam isn't benign. It has an agenda to dominate politcally and impose Sharia law.

so? the groups that want that are small, and there are christian groups that want to do the same thing, luckily they are outnumbered by the millions.
this is just fearmongering you know. the opinions of a few fringe fanatics don't even speak for the majority.

“Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant.

The Qu’ran should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.”

—Omar Ahmed CAIR (Council for American Islamic Relations) Founding Chairman

www.huffingtonpost.com...

no different than i've heard from some crazy christians. are either the majority? no.
also that quote is unsubstantiated.

Originally posted by lifeissacred
Another important point to make is that Sharia law (with regards to family law etc and crime and punishment) in most cases does not contradict the US constitution.

Really?

• A women's testimony is worth only half of a man's.

• A daughter only inherits half as much as a son.

• A husband can beat his wife for disobedience or misconduct.

• A wife must have sex whenever the husband wishes.

• A man can easily divorce a woman by pronouncing that he is divorcing her three times.

• Polygamy with up to four wives is permitted.

• In many Islamic countries a Muslim woman is not allowed to marry a non-Muslim man whereas Muslim men are allowed to marry non-Muslim women.

• In many Islamic countries, in order to protect their morality women can have no contact with men to whom they are not related without the presence of a male relative.

• In many Islamic countries, a woman does not have the right to choose her husband, or her place of residence, to travel freely or have freedom in her choice of clothing.

www.ntpi.org...

Originally posted by demongoat
this is just fearmongering you know.

Really?

Well let's see.

Since 9/11, in the USA we have had Muslim Americans conspiring to destroy the Brooklyn bridge, a Somali Muslim living in Ohio plotting to blow up a local shopping mall, a cell of 7 Muslims plotting to blow up the New York stock exchange, A US Muslim and accomplice plotting to blow up the NY subway, two NY mosque leaders who plotted to blow up an Indian diplomat with a shoulder fired grenade launcher, a group of 4 Muslims who plotted to blow up National Guard facilities and synagogues in the LA area, 2 Muslims who conspired to blow up the Wyoming natural gas refinery & the Transcontinental Pipeline, a Muslim flying into Chicago plotting to use a dirty bomb in the USA, 2 Muslim men plotting to blow up the US Capitol and Word Bank Headquarters, 7 Muslims arrested for plotting to blow up the Sears tower in Chicago, 8 Muslims arrested for planning to blow up NY city train tunnels, a Muslim man who plotted to set off hand grenades in a shopping mall outside Chicago, 6 Muslims conspiring to attack Fort Dix, New Jersey, a Muslim who planned to set of a TAPT bomb in the NY subway, a Muslim who plotted to blow up a Dallas skyscraper, a Muslim who tried to set off a car bomb outside the courthouse in downtown Springfield, Illinois, 2 Muslims who plotted to murder civilians in US shopping malls, 4 Muslims plotting to blow up “aviation fuel tanks and pipelines at the John F. Kennedy International Airport” in New York City and 4 Muslims planning to shoot down planes with stinger missiles.

creepingsharia.wordpress.com...

Oh, almost forgot. A Muslim shouting 'God is Great! (in Arabic of course) at Fort Hood who shot 13 people dead.

It's all just scaremongering of course...

oh yes, and cain is an ignorant moron, all religions have social political and economic sides.
he needs to read about other religions before he spews such garbage.

the caste system in india? it is from their religious documents, in fact they still kill people who attempt to marry outside castes.
china also had it's own form of caste system related to confucianism and buddhism.

he is either an idiot or appealing to the morons that know nothing about religion outside christianity, where they have been told that christianity doesn't have political views.
which is a lie too.

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Wow, you really don't understand Islamic law. None of those 'punishments' is anything to do with the Sharia.

BBC: Sharia Law

Originally posted by Viking9019
Muslims have little to no rights in our countries and the only reason they are here is to turn our countries into the hell hole their countries are in....yes.......read about the agenda behind this.

If you look on the top left, it says Abovetopsecret.com and under it, it reads "Deny Ignorance" in all caps.

What happened to denying it?

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And you had white Christians who kill doctors because they don't agree with women's rights. What's your point? Every religious institution has extremism. Why must you feel an entire religion should be punished because of bad apples?

Oh yeah, I forgot, western media paints Islam as big bad and evil. Oohhh nooo. Not that Muslims!

The Bible also says a lot of messed up stuff too, like that adulterers should be stoned to death and slavery is OK. But yet no one is calling for the ban of Christian churches.

The notion that mosques should be banned and/or Muslim Americans should not be welcomed into our communities is PURE bigotry and hate speech! I cant believe some people here are defending the idea, it's pretty sad, in fact pathetic. Go travel a find out that the extremists you see on TV do not define the average Muslim.

Originally posted by ollncasino


It's all just scaremongering of course...

it is, because how many people are we talking about? 10? 20? at most maybe a hundred?
out of how many? try 1.54 million people, only someone stirring up fear would deem the actions of an extreme minority fringe to be more than a fringe group.

this is like thinking all christians are terrorists because a few blew up a few abortion clinics and a few other places.
it is irrational to believe such things, most muslims are like you and me, they want to live their lives and not be demonized for the things extremists do.

it is the same argument over and over again, and not matter how much you and people like you wish it, the belief that 1 billion plus people are out to get us will never be true.
no less 1.54 million people, they aren't drones in a hivemind.