Where did all the Flood water go?

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by john_bmth
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You forgot the secret ingredient: God. Case closed, good bye, can the last poser hit the lights?

Why not the pink unicorn? Or random magic?

Either or, really, they can all join the party. There'd be enough cake to go around, that's for sure!

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So in summary...blind faith is good enough and evidence or facts aren't required...makes total sense

Originally posted by MrXYZ
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So in summary...blind faith is good enough and evidence or facts aren't required...makes total sense

Essential, yes. All I need to do now is get a PhD in geology from a degree mill, fabricate some evidence, get a YouTube account and I'm ready to spam the creationist sites with my amazing theory to retrospectively validate some bedtime stories written by uneducated goat herders. Job's a good'un!

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by Freelancer

Originally posted by SG-17

 

The Earth cannot just grow without new matter being created. Less than 4% of the Earth's mass is from post-Theia extraterrestrial material. The planet would need to be under constant large scale bombardment to grow in mass to the terms that EErs claim.

Why would matter have to be created if the Earth was smaller then expanded? Surely all would happen is that the Earth's crust would get thinner as its expanded, like expanding a ballon, the balloon becomes thinner. So in this case matter would not be created, its already there.

I hope you understand the difference between the earth an a balloon. Last I checked, a balloon is completely hollow and filled with AIR...the earth clearly isn't

LOL you do know I was using a very simple explanation but your right, the Earth is not filled with AIR, It has instead fact a very hot core, (an expanding heat source) that is always trying to push outward through the Earth's crust. In the case of the Earth being smaller originally, its crust would have been much thicker, therefore the Earth would expand globally until it's crust was too thin to cope with the increasing internal pressure. I believe Volcanoes are a good example of this outward force (generated by the Earth's core) through weak areas of the Earth's crust.

Originally posted by john_bmth

Originally posted by MrXYZ
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So in summary...blind faith is good enough and evidence or facts aren't required...makes total sense

Essential, yes. All I need to do now is get a PhD in geology from a degree mill, fabricate some evidence, get a YouTube account and I'm ready to spam the creationist sites with my amazing theory to retrospectively validate some bedtime stories written by uneducated goat herders. Job's a good'un!

You'd be the laughing stock of the scientific community if you fabricated results. Scientific method would ensure people find out about how ridiculous your theories are. Hovind is a good example of that...and guess what

Originally posted by MrXYZ

You'd be the laughing stock of the scientific community if you fabricated results. Scientific method would ensure people find out about how ridiculous your theories are. Hovind is a good example of that...and guess what

Are you mocking my expanding cake theory?? I assure you, I have done at least 10 minutes of research on it. That's 10 minutes more than the average creationist!

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The Earth is not a balloon. Answer me this: do you cling to the thoroughly-debunked expanding Earth hypothesis because you wish it to validate some holy text? If not, why do you shun the overwhelming evidence against said hypothesis?

Originally posted by MrXYZ

Originally posted by john_bmth

Originally posted by MrXYZ
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So in summary...blind faith is good enough and evidence or facts aren't required...makes total sense

Essential, yes. All I need to do now is get a PhD in geology from a degree mill, fabricate some evidence, get a YouTube account and I'm ready to spam the creationist sites with my amazing theory to retrospectively validate some bedtime stories written by uneducated goat herders. Job's a good'un!

You'd be the laughing stock of the scientific community if you fabricated results. Scientific method would ensure people find out about how ridiculous your theories are. Hovind is a good example of that...and guess what

Yes have seen some of those scientific FACTS from reputable scientists who were later found to have fabricated FACTS to support their theory's.

Piltdown Man

The Piltdown hoax is perhaps the most famous paleontological hoax ever. It has been prominent for two reasons: the attention paid to the issue of human evolution, and the length of time (more than 40 years) that elapsed from its discovery to its full exposure as a forgery.

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Discoveries of Shinichi_Fujimura

He established his reputation as a leading amateur archaeologist because he found most of the artifacts on his own.[1] He even became known as the archaeologist with the "divine hands".

After this success, he participated in 180 archaeological digs in northern Japan and almost always found artifacts, their age becoming increasingly older. Based on his discoveries the history of the Japanese Paleolithic period was extended to about 30,000 years. Most of the archaeologists did not question Fujimura's work and this discovery was written in the history textbooks. Later he gained a position as a deputy director at the private NGO group Tohoku Paleolithic Institute.

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Tasaday People

The Tasaday (tɑˈsɑdɑj) are an indigenous people of the Philippine island of Mindanao. They are considered to belong to the Lumad group along with the other indigenous inhabitants of the island. They attracted wide media attention in 1971 when they were first "discovered" by Western scientists who reported that they were living at a "stone age" level of technology and had been completely isolated from the rest of Philippine society. They later attracted attention in the 1980s when it was reported that their discovery had in fact been an elaborate hoax, and doubt was raised both about their status as isolated from other societies and even about the reality of their existence as a separate ethnic group.

Yep, some scientific FACTS by reputable scientists trying to write their own history into our books!. I wonder how many other so called FACTS are nothing but fiction.

Originally posted by Freelancer

Yes have seen some of those scientific FACTS from reputable scientists who were later found to have fabricated FACTS to support their theory's.

Piltdown Man

The Piltdown hoax is perhaps the most famous paleontological hoax ever. It has been prominent for two reasons: the attention paid to the issue of human evolution, and the length of time (more than 40 years) that elapsed from its discovery to its full exposure as a forgery.

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Discoveries of Shinichi_Fujimura

He established his reputation as a leading amateur archaeologist because he found most of the artifacts on his own.[1] He even became known as the archaeologist with the "divine hands".

After this success, he participated in 180 archaeological digs in northern Japan and almost always found artifacts, their age becoming increasingly older. Based on his discoveries the history of the Japanese Paleolithic period was extended to about 30,000 years. Most of the archaeologists did not question Fujimura's work and this discovery was written in the history textbooks. Later he gained a position as a deputy director at the private NGO group Tohoku Paleolithic Institute.

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Tasaday People

The Tasaday (tɑˈsɑdɑj) are an indigenous people of the Philippine island of Mindanao. They are considered to belong to the Lumad group along with the other indigenous inhabitants of the island. They attracted wide media attention in 1971 when they were first "discovered" by Western scientists who reported that they were living at a "stone age" level of technology and had been completely isolated from the rest of Philippine society. They later attracted attention in the 1980s when it was reported that their discovery had in fact been an elaborate hoax, and doubt was raised both about their status as isolated from other societies and even about the reality of their existence as a separate ethnic group.

Yep, some scientific FACTS by reputable scientists trying to write their own history into our books!.

Yet they were later discovered as hoaxes and thus written out of science books. When was the last time something was written out of the bible for being downright false? Never, probably because there wouldn't be much left.

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Yet they were later discovered as hoaxes and thus written out of science books. When was the last time something was written out of the bible for being downright false? Never, probably because there wouldn't be much left.

And that's why you have people who after 2,000 years still believe in DEMONSTRABLY wrong things...

People surviving in whales, fictional global floods, 6k year old earth, being rewarded with virgins if you blow yourself up, humans just popping up in their current form without evolution, the earth being created before the sun, and the list goes on...all demonstrably wrong. Yet people still believe in that nonsense, which is of course their right, it's a free country. But they obviously look incredibly silly if they attack some of the proven scientific concepts (such as evolution) while believing in people surviving in whales for 3 days

The polls are clearly showing the amount of believers is dropping off steeply...especially over the past 20 years. At the same time, the number of atheists is on the rise, and has more than trippled during the same period according to Gallup. Seems like people are slowly shedding their ignorance and blind faith in favor of critical thinking...FINALLY. Not all use critical thinking yet, but we're slowly getting there

Originally posted by MrXYZ

You'd be the laughing stock of the scientific community if you fabricated results. Scientific method would ensure people find out about how ridiculous your theories are. Hovind is a good example of that...and guess what

On a more serious note, I believe now is the time for me to invoke Poe's Law

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And who exposed those hoaxes? Other scientists. Science is ultimately self-correcting because a hypothesis based on falsified results won't stand up to further testing.

Originally posted by john_bmth

Originally posted by MrXYZ

You'd be the laughing stock of the scientific community if you fabricated results. Scientific method would ensure people find out about how ridiculous your theories are. Hovind is a good example of that...and guess what

On a more serious note, I believe now is the time for me to invoke Poe's Law

Of course Poe's law applies. How on earth is one supposed to decide whether to believe in the FSM or some random religion having gods with elephant heads, or where people live in whales. It all sounds bat# crazy if you are a rational person. But of course the indiviual religious believers are convinced that THEIR religion is the right one.

The funny thing is, none of them has any objective evidence to back up their claims. And since most of them are mutually exclusive religions, the large majority on the planet will always follow the wrong religion...and that's assuming one of them is correct, which we can't do since none of them has any credible evidence as backup.

I'm not even condemning religion, it makes a lot of people feel good, and gives them strength. I had a GF who was beaten by her dad, and her belief gave her strength to make it through that. It was her only way out...at least the way she chose.

Everyone has the right to believe whatever they want...but if they state blatantly wrong stuff because they are hellbent on taking stuff literally, then I'll step in. I won't let them dumb down the people with stuff that's demonstrably wrong...and that silly global flood is one of those things.

It comes down to being "ok" with not having all the answers...and a lot of people have problems with that. I don't know what happens after you die, or how life started in the first place...but I'm ok with not knowing. Sure, I'm curious, but that doesn't mean I'll start to make stuff up, or buy into stuff that's been made up by other people. And that's especially the case when their claims are demonstrably wrong...

Originally posted by Jansy
Can anyone say "omniscient?" People are "amazed" when other people hold a belief in "religious dogma" and (with thinly veiled language) imply those who believe in God are blind, brainwashed or just stupid. What amazes me is that man (generally) has the arrogance to think HE is the supreme judge of what is or isn't "true." It's not that I don't believe in Science - but I don't believe our puny, finite minds comprehend all natural laws. Every couple of hundred years Man re-evaluates and clears his throat and says, "Um...we've had to modify our thinking because we've just had another "aha moment," and realized........the earth isn't flat, the earth isn't the center of the universe, etc, etc.

I believe God works through natural laws...He isn't a "genie" who waves a magic wand and waters part, the sun stands still in the heavens...there are natural, physical laws working here and He comprehends natural laws at a much higher level than we do, and working within those immutable laws does what He does...which we (poor fools) cannot yet comprehend. We're learning, yes...but still have quite a ways to go...and there are STILL a lot of "aha moments" in our future. (In fact, I predict a heck of a lot of forehead slapping ahead.)

Well said, most people agree with you.

How stupid some people are to claim to know the truth about the universe. How vain. I can honestly say that I dont know. I would like to believe in an all powerful being but that finite thought has just bottled up infinite. To say God exists or doesnt and claim it as fact just shows how stupid you are. (generally speaking)

Originally posted by john_bmth
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The Earth is not a balloon. Answer me this: do you cling to the thoroughly-debunked expanding Earth hypothesis because you wish it to validate some holy text?

Expanding earth has not been debunked.

Your precious Pangaea theory is becoming the laughing stock of the scientific community based that the THEORY was based on bad data before Bathymetric and satellite data were available. Now that we have bathymetric maps that show the ocean floors, expanding earth is being put to the test.

Dont attack one theory with another. Google the definition of theory and fact then learn the differences. As far as earth's creation, age and purpose is all theory.

Dont be so ignorant.

Actually, it's Theory (with regard to Plate Tectonics), but the devil's in the details!
No decent, self-respecting geologist worth his/her salt actually subscribes to the expanding Earth theory (note the deliberate lower case 'a' with regard to this). At least not the excellent geologists I know.
Nope, the expanding Earth theory is the laughing stock and doesn't stack up once put under scrutiny.

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The professional seasoned geologists I know personally do subscribe to it and believe me, where I live, they are world known. Plate tectonics is partially right. The Atlantic spread the continents but so did the pacific. Not possible unless the earth expanded.

Originally posted by Shadow Herder
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The professional seasoned geologists I know personally do subscribe to it and believe me, where I live, they are world known. Plate tectonics is partially right. The Atlantic spread the continents but so did the pacific. Not possible unless the earth expanded.

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Names?

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What do their names have anything to do with someones interest and study in a THEORY? Which theory are you illusioned to as being fact? Eh john?

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