This is how to deal with terrorists....

Originally posted by Whats Happening?
Caveman- How do you really fight the enemy then if you feel emotional for them? Really I feel bad people die too but that doesn't mean I think we should pack up and leave Iraq because still they are terroists and they will do harm to innocent people- There were fathers, sons, mothers, daughters,etc... killed during 9/11 and do you think Iraq gave a damn? do you think they cried? I think not- So why give a damn for someone that doesn't give a damn about you?

How do you fight an enemy who is more like you than they are different? That's a moment of truth for everyone who's ever held a weapon against another human being.

But you know, I don't remember that anyone from Iraq has actually commited a terrorist act against America. The 9/11 terrorists came mostly from Saudi Arabia, according to the CIA. So I don't know that we can call the Iraqi insurgents terrorists, if they are only fighting to protect their homes and families.

When 9/11 happened, there has never been a time when there was more sympathy for Americans shown by other nations. We could have built a powerful coalition at that point but we didn't. Besides, remember that Saddam Hussein and Iraq were our allies against Iran and we funded him and gave him millions of dollars in arms.

Did the people of Iraq give a damn about us on Sept 12th 2001? We weren't occupying Iraq at the time, and I believe Al Queda was from or in Afghanistan. Isn't that right?

Originally posted by caveman

When 9/11 happened, there has never been a time when there was more sympathy for Americans shown by other nations. We could have built a powerful coalition at that point but we didn't. Besides, remember that Saddam Hussein and Iraq were our allies against Iran and we funded him and gave him millions of dollars in arms.

Did the people of Iraq give a damn about us on Sept 12th 2001? We weren't occupying Iraq at the time, and I believe Al Queda was from or in Afghanistan. Isn't that right?

Absolutely right.

U.

The sad truth is that America has been waging war on other countries almost continuously for around the last sixty years. There has not been one real victory anywhere, just un relenting death and destruction.

It is a sad thing that some Americans actually enjoy watching video footage of foreigners being killed while they are trying to protect their homeland against invading American troops. Why is America even there ? There are no WMD, and no threat to the American homeland.

Somehow soon, this is all going to turn out very badly for America. Making more and more enemies around the world for no reason, is not smart.

Originally posted by Whats Happening?
Caveman- How do you really fight the enemy then if you feel emotional for them? Really I feel bad people die too but that doesn't mean I think we should pack up and leave Iraq because still they are terroists and they will do harm to innocent people- There were fathers, sons, mothers, daughters,etc... killed during 9/11 and do you think Iraq gave a damn? do you think they cried? I think not- So why give a damn for someone that doesn't give a damn about you?

The world doesn't work because of people like you.

We human beings seem to have some predictable repeated behaviors. They are not rational, or logical, or sometimes even healthy for us. I believe it's primitive instinct. After 4 million years of shlepping around on the planet, we're still cavemen.
I understand every viewpoint on these pages, because we are more alike than we are different. I would pull the trigger without blinking if my family was threatened. And, at the same time, I never want to take another person's life. How can these 2 thoughts exist in the same head?
I think it's because they come from 2 different instincts. I have no other way to explain it.

Originally posted by infinite
I have a book from the UK government telling me what to do when there is a terrorist attack so i am safe

arghh they haven't sent me one yet, what will i do????
I'm f&*^ed


[edit on 14-8-2004 by arnold_vosloo]

Originally posted by WisdomMaster

Originally posted by Whats Happening?
Caveman- How do you really fight the enemy then if you feel emotional for them? Really I feel bad people die too but that doesn't mean I think we should pack up and leave Iraq because still they are terroists and they will do harm to innocent people- There were fathers, sons, mothers, daughters,etc... killed during 9/11 and do you think Iraq gave a damn? do you think they cried? I think not- So why give a damn for someone that doesn't give a damn about you?

The world doesn't work because of people like you.

The world works because of "people like me"- Let me ask anyone if someone said 10 guys are planning on killing your family would you not take action? Terroism is the same concept and don't give me this bull about well there people too...obviously

Listen wars are fought people die but the beat goes on...

People need to get past this feeling that we are right and they are wrong. What do you think your fighting for, peace, what do they think there fighting for , peace. It is simply our judgments that are differnt and does that justify the killing of another. Just because they have been labeled terrorists does not make them evil people. Peace

Amen.

Since this is the only language they seem to understand or respond to.
Anything else emboldens them.

Much like calling off the all out assault in Najaf.
That was just sweet! This is a war and needs to be fought like a war.
Nuff Said!

Amen to that. Let the bombs fall as long as these people keep fighting.

You guys liked it? You should watch this one then:

www.plaguepuppy.net...

That was just sweet! This is our holy war and needs to be fought like a war!
Nuff stupid stuff said!

[edit on 14-8-2004 by shoo]

yea and the American Government did both, which is funny in a SICK way.

I don't know what I find more disturbing that video or everyone on this THREAD's reaction to it.. I don't see how anyone can not find that video disturbing/sick at some extent.

The 9/11 video is still very disturbing because of these crazy bastards that did it.. but we are suppose to be the U.S.A and we aren't suppose to BOMB a group of people running or are we?

People who cheer and say "that's how we deal with terrorists" are morons. The Iraqis destroyed in the video were indeed enemy, and war is war, but they were irregular army and not terrorists. They were going to engage the US marines, remember? Cowards don't do that. Of course for you with one single track mind, it's just easier to comprehend and imagine that this is real war on terror. It's not. Iraq did not attack the US. It did not do the 9/11. But you already know that. You just don't care.

The US is now fighting a group of people who were very anti-Saddam. They just want freedom in their country. I really want every US soldier to come home sound and safe. But there is little to cheer about in this video.

It's also easy for simpletons to enjoy the graphics worthy of a computer game, from the comfort of their couches. Death from the sky. How cool.

Compares with the video of the Iraqi farmers pulverized from the Apache:

www.indymedia.org.uk...


www.indymedia.org.uk...


[edit on 14-8-2004 by Aelita]

The US is now fighting a group of people who were very anti-Saddam. They just want freedom in their country

That is just so wrong. The people who are fighting the US want anything but freedom. They want to establish an Islamo-fascist Iran style state with women subjugated and people enslaved to 1000 year old fascist Islamic laws.

Fortunately they are not the majority - they are not freedom fighters - they are freedom killers - they should never prevail

As someone who has killed in combat, let me just say that what joy one derives from this act is not so much in the killing (at least, for me), it is in a mission acccomplished and the effect that those who have given their lives for their cause will not have the opportunity to see that I die for mine.

Let us remember that those whose lives were snuffed out in that instant were not a troop of Brownie Scouts on a field trip. Those were insurgents hell-bent on denying Iraq a chance at democratic self-rule and in the process killing Americans and Iraqis.

I have little patience with those who distort the issues in Iraq and paint these insurgents as "freedom fighters." They were killers on their way to kill. That's the chance every combatant takes. We call them the enemy because that what they are. If they were our friends, we wouldn't be killing them.

It's easy to be saintly from the safety your living room or your bedroom. In the real world, it is often kill or be killed. If you love freedom, you should be very glad that men such as that pilot are out there putting their lives on the line for you.

And that is why the US has to stay there and finish the job - sad but true!

Grady,

I really don't see how fighting in Iraq relates to my freedom.

I never said, by the way, that the bomb shouldn't have been dropped. It was the right thing to do. I'm against oversimplification and equating this with war on terrorism.

I can bet anything that the majority of Iraqis, for one, would not want the US troops stationed in their country, for variety of reasons. So, if their democratic opinion is expressed, the US should pack up and leave.

So if you are so much in favor of democracy and freedom, how about that.

The truth is that the US want bases in Iraq, and "democracy" and "freedom" are window dressing. People killed in the video didn't want the bases, and they were done away with.

I can't express enough my respect to your background. I just happen to think the brave man and women of the US Army are fighting for a wrong cause now.


[edit on 14-8-2004 by Aelita]

Originally posted by TACHYON
Nice video man, reminds me of the 1991 videos on TV of the laser guided bombs dropping on bagdhad. Keep em dropping on the terorists

If you like videos try "9-11 IN PLANE SITE" after you see it lets talk about how we use those laser guided bombs here at home to get the terrorists.

Respects,

Yes, war WILL come to American soil, that is inevitable now.

Lets see how laser guided bombs hitting crowded supermarkets in America, or helicopter gunships raking kindergartens with mini-gun fire, or seeing Americans raped and tortured in POW camps in the USA ? Should make great images for the rest of the world to watch on TV eh ?

Just try to turn this all around and imagine how YOU would feel if Iraq was trying to save America from democracy........... by force.............

Not everybody wants what you or I want. I keep hearing that the US is only trying to bring them democracy, but that democracy is coming from down the barrel of a gun. Forcing this on the Iraqis is bound to bring out those opposed to your style of democracy. Take a good existential look at it. The only reason the US gov is doing this is because its suits them. Gives them a platform with which to control the rest of the middle-east. And none of this is for your benefit.

Its been 1 year and about 180 days since this war started, and I have yet to hear proof that Iraq was a threat to the US. No WMDs, no link 911. Saddam was still a brutal dictator 14 years ago during the 1st Gulf War but all of a sudden now it's of importance?

Yet North Korea continues to develop the range of it's ICBMs and continues to develop its number of nuclear warheads. Doesn't that seem just a little strange to you? All the evidence is there for North Korea and yet the US doesn't to a goddamned thing but waste soldiers lives trying to democratise what is essentially a foothold in the mid-east.

I am far more scared of what Nth Korea could do than some tinpot dictator in a sandbox. Nth Korea has the admitted capability to strike a number of countries but nothing is done. Here we have exactly the same threat that launched us into a war in Iraq yet nothing is done.

Killing the image of God brings chuckles to the dead souls of men lost. Cry for love babbies cause ya just lost a chance to save it. War is a major sign of failure. Order out of Chaos in the chess game of stratigic reserves. Is it the Japanese who own my TBills that I pay first for that expensive weapon or some Euro trash Banking cartel. I guess we will find out sooner than later if New York gets Nuked. This is Bush league.