It Happens Again: Police In Ga. Shut Down Girls' Lemonade Stand

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


Good info and certainly an intresting legal argument to be sure. Thanks for the lesson.. I learned something today.

Its good to see you as well.

It takes a special kind of asshole to walk up to a couple of little girls running a lemonade stand and say "Hey criminals, you got a permit to run that illegal lemonade stand, criminals?"

I'm surprised these super-cops didn't taze them when they ran to get their mom.

Pretty soon this kind of # is going to reach a tipping point, and the cops will one day look out their windows to find an angry mob, wielding more than just torches and pitchforks.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


There's 2 Bond v. United States.
Which one? the meth case? or the crazy lady that violated the chemical weapons treaty?

Originally posted by grey580
reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux

 

There's 2 Bond v. United States.
Which one? the meth case? or the crazy lady that violated the chemical weapons treaty?

Bond v. United States, decided 06/16/2011

That ruling linked is a pdf file. I am not sure how well they link.

reply to post by Frogs


It's called damage control.
They know that whenever children are involved a tidal wave will be brought forth that will sweep them away.
It's easier for them to play nice than to face angry parents.

Originally posted by Adyta

I'm surprised these super-cops didn't taze them when they ran to get their mom.

You know what you are right. What this really is, is a Positive Police story. All of the children involved lived through the encounter, no one was Tazed, Maced, Shot, or Raped in the squad car.

It just proves how well the Police officers handled the limitless authority they were given. They used such restraint that no one needed to seek medical attention after the encounter.

Good Job Officers!

Originally posted by Skewed
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They did not teach these little girls about responsibility, they taught them how to get handouts.

Beg to differ with ya...
Those girls along with countless other kids from years ago to now were being taught that by working for what ya want gets ya what you have. It is called FREE ENTERPRISE and that, mr. amerika, is all it was.

Looks like it is a somewhat rural town...so what are the cops afraid of....not sure where the water is coming from???
Guess the girls got it outta the horse trough in the back yard...NOT...more than likely from a well...they may have been drinking the stuff...they look pretty healthy. Maybe the lemons were organic...ya know....grown without Monsanto??? God forbid!!! Yeah! that's it...real food poisons us now...so we need the cops to protect us from ourselves.

This has happened where I live...and I'm sure it has where many of you have as well. This is nothing more than cities, boroughs, townships, looking for the lowest way possible to put money in their coffins (coffers)...Can't make money off the government...drug deals/busts a little slow?...get out there and teach those little girls "who to fear".

Business license if it is able to discern if it is REALLY a business...permanent business...but not just a lemonade stand that will only be around until the kids loose interest and get the money they were working for...those people have NO common sense.

Look at this crime report for midway Ga! www.homesurfer.com...

They don't have time to solve or prevent this crime rate, but they have the resources to worry about little girls selling lemonade??

Originally posted by Skewed
There was once a time when the police officer would have stopped and bought a cup and stood around chatting with them for awhile making sure no mean boys came by to steal their money.

Yeah - you are right. Especially in a small town. There was a time when the cops probably would have bought a cup. Heck - if the girls didn't just outright give them one because they were cops and the girls knew that "policemen are our friends".

Mama would have probably looked out the door or window and saw the cops there. If they would have saw her they'd have probably waved at her and Mama would have been happy because the cops were looking out for the safety of her little girls. Probably the same would have happened with any of the neighbors that passed by and saw it.

Those were the days eh?

What was that kind of thing called again? Help me out guys...was "community policing" the term for that kind of thing? Come on, I know some of you know about it. What ever happened to that?

Seemed like a fine way to build a relationship between cop and community.

Ya know, I'll bet there was probably some law even back in those days too that could have been applied to shut down lemonade stands. Probably something to do with permitting or licensing. But it probably wasn't enforced for lemonade stands too much. Wonder why?

reply to post by Liquesence


1. Kick officer in knee;

2. Get arrested;

3. Hire lawyer;

4. Sue because you're being robbed of your childhood.

Originally posted by Adyta
It takes a special kind of asshole to walk up to a couple of little girls running a lemonade stand and say "Hey criminals, you got a permit to run that illegal lemonade stand, criminals?"

I'm surprised these super-cops didn't taze them when they ran to get their mom.

Pretty soon this kind of # is going to reach a tipping point, and the cops will one day look out their windows to find an angry mob, wielding more than just torches and pitchforks.

Supr cop....

or is it

Lazy, apathetic slack jawed voters who embrace ignorance who howl at the moon in hopes of getting a better crop....

and its going to be on this day that people like yourself will learn that the problems we face arent because of the police, but every single citizen who refuses to participate in the process to hold government accountible.

Exactly at what point in your education did they teach you that the police are the ones who make laws?

You guys need to quit bitching that the police are the problem because they arent. The problem is the lazy, apathetic people who refuse to vote. The people are the ones who are suppose to keep the government in check. This is accomplished by voting, by refusing to vote people back into office that did not do their job.

Condemning the police in this manner would be like you guys torching an car assembly plant because a drunk driver killed a family of 5.

3 branches of government exist.
Executive - Law Enforcement falls here
Legislative - The cruxt of the problems here because this is where laws come from
Judicial - The courts and prosecuting attorneys go here.

Going after the police will not fix the problem because the laws will still be on the book. However, thank you for demonstrating what the problem actually is.

Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux

Originally posted by grey580
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There's 2 Bond v. United States.
Which one? the meth case? or the crazy lady that violated the chemical weapons treaty?

Bond v. United States, decided 06/16/2011

That ruling linked is a pdf file. I am not sure how well they link.

The one linked here is the chemical weapons treaty violation, which would be the one that applies to this topic.

reply to post by Xcathdra

and its going to be on this day that people like yourself will learn that the problems we face arent because of the police, but every single citizen who refuses to participate in the process to hold government accountible.

Oh so true, my friend. Even when police officers do act contrary to law, and some of them most assuredly do, it still remains that the problem is We the People. Only when We the People step up and accept our responsibility, not as citizens', certainly not as voters, but as informed holders of the inherent political power, will this mess get sorted out, and a saner nation return.

Got a beef with this? Move there, run for office and change the law. Or just bitch to the politicians that implemented the law. That's easier. The cops are just doing their job. Law ENFORCEMENT. They don't make the laws.

Originally posted by intrepid
Got a beef with this? Move there, run for office and change the law. Or just bitch to the politicians that implemented the law. That's easier.

The cops are just doing their job. Law ENFORCEMENT. They don't make the laws.

They most assuredly took an oath of office to uphold the law, which begins with the Supreme Law of the Land, which in this instance would be The Georgia State Constitution. Any act of legislation contrary to that Constitution is null and void. "Superior orders" have all ready been given oath takers, and it was orders given to them by the people. They cannot turn around and pretend as if those orders are moot because they now have looney legislators inventing all sorts of new orders for them to follow.

The Nuremberg court, which was heavily stacked with American jurists, held as a matter of international law that obeying orders was not a valid defense when those orders are clearly immoral. Shutting down a child's lemonade stand is hardly a moral act. Nuremberg Principle IV states:

"The fact that a person acted pursuant to order of his Government or of a superior does not relieve him from responsibility under international law, provided a moral choice was in fact possible to him."

Police officers have discretion in how they apply certain acts of legislation. These police officers most certainly had discretionary power when it came to this.

reply to post by intrepid


Enforcing crappy laws makes you a crappy person. NOBODY in this thread even HINTED that it was the cops that are making the laws, so I don't know where you pulled that from.

We are commenting on how times have changed, and the police seem to think that rather than serving the people, they serve the government. Someone commented that "back in the day" the cops would have bought some lemonade and talked to the girls as human beings... now, they treat people like we're dogs dropping a turd on their lawn. Beating us, yelling at us, and hauling us off to cages.

reply to post by Adyta

Try this if you think I'm wrong. Go find a cop, walk up to him, and say "F you, pig" and see what happens.

I actually saw just the other day someone do exactly that. To my surprise both of the police officers stood there calmly and tried to reason with the angry man, but clearly were getting no where, and finally shook their heads and walked away.

That guy must have said F...You half a dozen times. Just to give some balance to this. Police officers should be held accountable for errant actions. However, if we are going to do this, when they behave in almost super human Christ consciousness ways, this deserves credit as well.

reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux


Please, comparing laws pertaining to food services is a far cry from war atrocities. There actually is a basis for this law, health safety. By NOT backing up the law not only are they not doing their job they might find themselves out of one.

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Originally posted by intrepid
Got a beef with this? Move there, run for office and change the law. Or just bitch to the politicians that implemented the law. That's easier.

The cops are just doing their job. Law ENFORCEMENT. They don't make the laws.

@Xcathdra: You are technically correct but you seem to fail to understand the other part of the argument: the cops' seemingly unbending roboticism to enforce particular laws/ordinances, such as this, without any sense of humanity or question as to the law itself.

Seriously, the "it's the law" argument is just a bogus excuse. What kind of person (cop), sees a lemonade stand then thinks--even considers-- whether the girls have a business license or a permit? It DOES take a bottom feeder to do such a thing and to not be a part of the community and help support the people, especially kids. As others have mentioned, in other jurisdictions cops eagerly purchase some. Granted, there may not be a "law" in those places, but the fact that such absurdity is enforced is troubling, and the cops should refuse to enforce senseless and victimless laws, which in itself would send a message to the council or the legislature.

And at what point is a venture considered a "business?" A yard sale? Selling goods but not selling services? Having a physical location out of or from which one is based or set up? Minimum operating cost? I mean, to be considered a "business" for cups and some lemonade sounds highly debatable.

Once again, i agree with your post, but here is also the decision to enforce said (asinine) laws. If the problem is not with the cops but with the laws and the legislators, the "it's the law" attitude at enforcement contributes to the problem because there is no logical humanistic approach.

If it's simply because cops are "sworn to uphold the law" no matter the law, then we have a serious problem, both potential laws and those who will enforce them. "I'm just doing my job." BS.

One would think an officer would be a human first.

"But they's breakin' the law, Andy!"
"Now, Barney..."

Just the way i see it...

reply to post by Adyta


Blame that on the sue happy brethren you have down there. Someone get sick and who are they going to sue? The kids? No. The lawmakers that didn't do due diligence on a very small market BUT one none the less.

Edit: This is municipal CYA.